reentering match?

[sprawl2]

---

Members don't see this ad.

By reentering, I meant reapplying during PGY1

Is it frowned upon?

I withdrew last year because i entered a match in a different country
I spoke to my home program PD before I left about the huge mistake I made
He said he will welcome me back anytime

I miss my friends and family and i am ready to reenter the match
Mentally I havent been able to perform perfectly at work and it has been tough to go to work everyday at a strangr foreign system.

How bad is that? Can i go through my school again? Several directors at various department said they will vouch for me. Well most attendings there said they will help me is it possible?

Do I need a letter from my current PD? Or Can I just apply as a US graduate since I have not done any training in US?

 

[NotAProgDirector]

You can absolutely apply again. Some programs might see your foreign experience as a plus (i.e. broadening your horizons / skills).

You get your ERAS token. You use some of the letters you used last year -- can ask letter writers to update them as they may have worked with you more last year. You should have your current PD write you a letter. You want no other foreign letters except for this one. Your school will update your MSPE. You apply for programs, interview, rank, and match.

Trying to take the time you need to interview from your current program might be a problem. Resigning from your program at the end of November (or December) might be an option, if you truly don't plan to practice in that country and can live without the income.

If your home PD supports you, a letter from them would be invaluable.

 

[sprawl2]

Thank you for the reply, aProgDirector
How bad is it if I resign in Oct or Nov? It's getting worse now that the word on the street is I'm leavning the program. Almost everyone has turned 180 on me.
I truly don't see myself practicing in that country and I have no concern with burning bridges in that country.
Now I am most concerned about the letter from the proram director.....

You can absolutely apply again. Some programs might see your foreign experience as a plus (i.e. broadening your horizons / skills).

You get your ERAS token. You use some of the letters you used last year -- can ask letter writers to update them as they may have worked with you more last year. You should have your current PD write you a letter. You want no other foreign letters except for this one. Your school will update your MSPE. You apply for programs, interview, rank, and match.

Trying to take the time you need to interview from your current program might be a problem. Resigning from your program at the end of November (or December) might be an option, if you truly don't plan to practice in that country and can live without the income.

If your home PD supports you, a letter from them would be invaluable.

 

[NotAProgDirector]

I think you misunderstood my comment above. I was assuming that you wanted to stay in your current program -- either for the training, salary, or both. Doing so and interviewing for a new position can be impossible. If you resign now, you'll have plenty of time for interviews -- so resigning earlier is no problem.

What your letter from your PD looks like depends upon what's happening, and how you deal with it.

 

[sprawl2]

I think you misunderstood my comment above. I was assuming that you wanted to stay in your current program -- either for the training, salary, or both. Doing so and interviewing for a new position can be impossible. If you resign now, you'll have plenty of time for interviews -- so resigning earlier is no problem.

What your letter from your PD looks like depends upon what's happening, and how you deal with it.

I mean, in your opinion, how bad is it to resign and ask for a letter just 2 months after one started residency?
I just don't have the heart to tell them. An attending from my home program told me to apply first then talk later when it's later into the season.
Because he said, I might risk losing both my current spot and future spots and my MD will completely go to waste if my current PD is not supportive.

 

[NotAProgDirector]

No matter when it happens, you're not going to simply resign and leave. When you resign, you're going to give 3-4 months notice -- meaning that if you decided to resign today, you'd continue working until December at a minimum, and probably up through the holidays. This would give your current PD a chance to find a replacement, or adjust the schedule. This is why simply looking for a spot now is OK but often difficult -- even if you find one, you're going to want to give your program adequate notice and it's not clear that someone with an open spot now will want to wait 3-4 months.

Do you have to give 3-4 months notice? Well, it depends -- first on what your current contract says. It should have a clause about early termination, and likely has a notice period. Second, it's the professional thing to do. I can gfuarantee you that if one of my residents simply up and left with no notice, their letter from me would be less than positive. Although I'd clearly define their performance (i.e. if they were doing fine, I'd say so), I'd also say that leaving us with no notice was unacceptable, a sign of poor professionalism, and I because of that I would be hesitant to hire them in the future, for fear that they would do the same thing when a "better offer" came along.

 

[Law2Doc]

No matter when it happens, you're not going to simply resign and leave. When you resign, you're going to give 3-4 months notice -- meaning that if you decided to resign today, you'd continue working until December at a minimum, and probably up through the holidays. This would give your current PD a chance to find a replacement, or adjust the schedule. This is why simply looking for a spot now is OK but often difficult -- even if you find one, you're going to want to give your program adequate notice and it's not clear that someone with an open spot now will want to wait 3-4 months.

Do you have to give 3-4 months notice? Well, it depends -- first on what your current contract says. It should have a clause about early termination, and likely has a notice period. Second, it's the professional thing to do. I can gfuarantee you that if one of my residents simply up and left with no notice, their letter from me would be less than positive. Although I'd clearly define their performance (i.e. if they were doing fine, I'd say so), I'd also say that leaving us with no notice was unacceptable, a sign of poor professionalism, and I because of that I would be hesitant to hire them in the future, for fear that they would do the same thing when a "better offer" came along.

While I'm sure 3-4 months is what many PDs would like to consider "the professional thing to do", as a lawyer I have to tell you I used to draft professional employment contracts, and 3 months is considered generous, while 4 months is above and beyond. Of course a contract can say whatever the parties agree to, but if it's silent, then no, 4 months is not customary; you give a couple of months notice, keep working hard without slacking, offer to help train the replacement if there's overlap, and then get the heck out of there.

 

[sprawl2]

No matter when it happens, you're not going to simply resign and leave. When you resign, you're going to give 3-4 months notice -- meaning that if you decided to resign today, you'd continue working until December at a minimum, and probably up through the holidays. This would give your current PD a chance to find a replacement, or adjust the schedule. This is why simply looking for a spot now is OK but often difficult -- even if you find one, you're going to want to give your program adequate notice and it's not clear that someone with an open spot now will want to wait 3-4 months.

Do you have to give 3-4 months notice? Well, it depends -- first on what your current contract says. It should have a clause about early termination, and likely has a notice period. Second, it's the professional thing to do. I can gfuarantee you that if one of my residents simply up and left with no notice, their letter from me would be less than positive. Although I'd clearly define their performance (i.e. if they were doing fine, I'd say so), I'd also say that leaving us with no notice was unacceptable, a sign of poor professionalism, and I because of that I would be hesitant to hire them in the future, for fear that they would do the same thing when a "better offer" came along.

Would it be better if I say that I will stick it out for the year?
Resigning now seems so drastic to me. Has it happened before that people change their minds so early into their training?

 

[NotAProgDirector]

While I'm sure 3-4 months is what many PDs would like to consider "the professional thing to do", as a lawyer I have to tell you I used to draft professional employment contracts, and 3 months is considered generous, while 4 months is above and beyond. Of course a contract can say whatever the parties agree to, but if it's silent, then no, 4 months is not customary; you give a couple of months notice, keep working hard without slacking, offer to help train the replacement if there's overlap, and then get the heck out of there.

Fair enough. Less than 2 months would be inadequate in my view. But, agreed, this is all opinion.

Would it be better if I say that I will stick it out for the year?
Resigning now seems so drastic to me. Has it happened before that people change their minds so early into their training?

It does happen, but are you certain? You will probably have a very difficult time going back again, if you change your mind again. Whether you should stay for the year or start looking for a new position now is really up to you.

 

[gutonc]

While I'm sure 3-4 months is what many PDs would like to consider "the professional thing to do", as a lawyer I have to tell you I used to draft professional employment contracts, and 3 months is considered generous, while 4 months is above and beyond. Of course a contract can say whatever the parties agree to, but if it's silent, then no, 4 months is not customary; you give a couple of months notice, keep working hard without slacking, offer to help train the replacement if there's overlap, and then get the heck out of there.

It's probably worth pointing out that the OP is a resident in a different country, at least according to the first post. So US employment/contract/labor law is irrelevant in this situation.

As far as the rest of the questions go...get the letter from your current PD and then do whatever you want. Quit. Stick it out so you keep getting paid. Buy an automatic weapon and gun down everybody in your hospital (don't actually do that).