***Regarding PT school rankings: do NOT use them to make your decision

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I just wanted to make a post here for everyone in the process of applying to PT schools. Within the last year, I graduated from one of the top PT schools in the country, and this has been weighing on my mind for a while. I want to dispel they myth that the US News and World ranking system has anything to do with the quality of your PT school experience, because these rankings really do not reflect that. I made my final PT school decision based largely on its rank, and I know that there are many, many PT students who made similar decisions. But I also know that myself and the majority of my classmates were very unhappy throughout the course of our program, and I want to inform potential students about how the ranking system works and how irrelevant it really should be to your choice of PT school.

Here is a quote from the US News description that explains how the rankings are put together:

“All the health rankings are based solely on the results of peer assessment surveys sent to deans, other administrators and/or faculty at accredited degree programs or schools in each discipline. All schools surveyed in a discipline were sent the same number of surveys.

Respondents rated the academic quality of programs on a scale of 1 (marginal) to 5 (outstanding). They were instructed to select "don't know" if they did not have enough knowledge to rate a program. Only fully accredited programs in good standing during the survey period are ranked. Those schools with the highest average scores appear in the rankings sorted in descending order.”

And here’s the link with more details for anyone curious:

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/health-schools-methodology

I had absolutely no idea how the rankings were put together when I applied to school, as I expect is true of most applicants, and I had assumed that it was somehow an average representation of the overall quality of a program. But what this actually ends up boiling down to is PT school faculty nation-wide ranking programs based on whose names they most recognize, usually based on a program's research output, since that’s the information they have to go on. There’s no input regarding student experience, satisfaction, or quality of education received that goes into these rankings. There’s not even any input from more objective measures like graduation rates, board passage rates, or employment rates after graduation. So these rankings really reflect the clout of each institution when it comes to churning out research and promoting their brand in the PT world rather than anything directly relevant to students.

I can only speak to my experience at a top-ranked program, but extreme stress, harsh standards with minimal student support, and distance of faculty from students was routine for myself and my cohort. And it’s possible that student satisfaction at other elite schools, or even just other highly-ranked ones, was higher than where I attended. But I really want to encourage everyone out there applying to schools to look beyond these rankings because, unless you’re really invested in the research output of your potential program for some reason, these rankings are essentially irrelevant to you. There’s currently enough jobs in PT that you won’t have a hard time finding work as long as you have a license, work ethic, and a degree, wherever it’s from. And I can speak from first-hand experience that higher rankings absolutely do not equate to happier or smarter students.

So I just want to encourage everyone applying to schools to please look beyond the rankings. They aren’t the final say on where you will receive the best education. Instead I would really encourage you to find a way to reach out to current students and recent alums of the programs you’re considering. It takes more work, but will paint a much better picture of what a program will be like once you start. Ask specific questions about faculty attitude and engagement with students, how clinical sites are selected for internships and how you’re prepared, how the program engages with its local community, and about overall student happiness and how students view their experience from day 1 through starting their first job as PTs.

Hopefully this post can make a positive difference in some of your career paths. Look past the number next to the schools on this list, dig deeper, and hopefully you’ll have a more satisfying and well-rounded education than I did.

As an aside, please strongly consider the financial aspect of where you attend. This advice is all over this forum, but I feel like a lot of prospective students really don't understand how little PT pays compared to the financial investment required to attend school, especially more expensive schools. So whatever you do, think twice before inundating yourself with debt to attend a top-ranked program where you may not even end up happy.
 
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Just wanted to give this thread one bump for everyone out there still deciding on which PT school is for them. Remember to look past the rankings!
 
Wow this is good to know! I've definitely been checking the rankings a lot as I try to decide which programs are right for me. But this is good to keep in mind!

Do you mind sharing where you went to school? I have been looking at some highly ranked programs, but yours doesn't sound like it would be a great fit for me either. As I learn where I want to be, it's important to know where I don't want to be too!
 
Wow this is good to know! I've definitely been checking the rankings a lot as I try to decide which programs are right for me. But this is good to keep in mind!

Do you mind sharing where you went to school? I have been looking at some highly ranked programs, but yours doesn't sound like it would be a great fit for me either. As I learn where I want to be, it's important to know where I don't want to be too!

Unfortunately, I would prefer not to say. As much as I view my former program negatively, it's still where I got my degree and I don't want to slander it publicly. It is, however, a top-ranked PT program. If you're considering highly ranked programs (or really, any programs at all), I would take care to contact multiple current and former students independently to see how people feel about it. That should help give you a sense of where the satisfied students are and are not.
 
This is SUPER helpful!
Any tips on how to contact current and former students from specific programs besides going on tours?
 
I concur with this advice. Employers do not care where you attended school and your salary will not be influenced by it. The only thing they want to know is if you are licensed and do you have some clinical experience. Forget about the rankings.
 
This is SUPER helpful!
Any tips on how to contact current and former students from specific programs besides going on tours?

Unfortunately I don't have great advice here as I didn't do my due diligence prior to attending. Maybe search around on social media for alums from particular schools? I feel like LinkedIn could work for this purpose but I can't say I've ever done it.

Interview day/tours can be a good way to meet students in a program, but also keep in mind that everyone's trying to put on a good show on interview day and that it's not necessarily a good representation of how students feel about a program. I speak from experience here.
 
I was under the assumption that rankings were based on how many faculty participate in current research or things related to research... I could be wrong though.
 
I was under the assumption that rankings were based on how many faculty participate in current research or things related to research... I could be wrong though.

In my experience, a school's reputation as a research institute strongly influences its perception in the PT world, and therefore its rank. But as scrawnyguy said, peer assessment surveys are the sole determinant of the rankings.
 
In my experience, a school's reputation as a research institute strongly influences its perception in the PT world, and therefore its rank. But as scrawnyguy said, peer assessment surveys are the sole determinant of the rankings.

So it's a popularity contest to say the least! :laugh:
 
My decision was based solely on the recommendation of a friend. And, in actuality, based on the fact that it's a flex program and I can't drop my life for a regular 3 year program and just not work.
 
I agree with all of this so much, fortunately I knew how the ranking was done and how useless they were. I got into the rank 8 school according to ranking and a rank 100+ school. I go to the 100+ ranked school and am saving about 60k doing so. With future cuts coming to PT the best decision would be the cheapest school as where you go will not effect your salary.
 
Personally, I used a combination of graduation/exam pass rates and cost of attendance when making my school list. I really valued the idea of going to a school that is clearly doing something right to get their rates in the high 90's when it comes to graduation and passing the boards.

I saw a few schools with 80 something % or so as their graduation rate and board pass rates, which is scary to think about. If the school admits 50 people and say 86 percent graduate and 86 percent pass the boards that do graduate, then out of the originally 50 people who started only 36 or 37 actually became PTs on time.

Just my two cents that nobody asked for!
 
Personally, I used a combination of graduation/exam pass rates and cost of attendance when making my school list. I really valued the idea of going to a school that is clearly doing something right to get their rates in the high 90's when it comes to graduation and passing the boards.

I saw a few schools with 80 something % or so as their graduation rate and board pass rates, which is scary to think about. If the school admits 50 people and say 86 percent graduate and 86 percent pass the boards that do graduate, then out of the originally 50 people who started only 36 or 37 actually became PTs on time.

Just my two cents that nobody asked for!

This is not a bad idea at all. I would definitely recommend looking at those objective measures when making your decision. I just don't think that rankings should play into it at all, and wanted to draw attention that things like the objective measures that you mentioned are actually not at all a part of the ranking system.
 
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