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Got the rejection letter today, but it’s not the first time. I have a 3.5 GPA, 3.55 BCP, 20AA, and 20TS, so yeah, I thought I just might get an interview this year. But I understand, they have 3K applicants and they need to be selective. I will admit I’m kinda depressed about it but what can you do. Crazy how 20AA is not competitive these days, I wish I graduated in 98! Congrats to all of you who got interviews already, good luck with everything.
 
it is just one school, it doesn't mean you aren't competitive but you also can't expect to get accepted/interviewed at any one school you apply to.. if you applied to more you'll get interviewed don't worry.
 
I agree, you have good stats, so you'll get interviews assuming you applied to enough schools.

But you do have a good point, a 20/20 DAT and a 3.5 GPA isn't a shoe-in for any school anymore.
 
Got the rejection letter today, but it’s not the first time. I have a 3.5 GPA, 3.55 BCP, 20AA, and 20TS, so yeah, I thought I just might get an interview this year. But I understand, they have 3K applicants and they need to be selective. I will admit I’m kinda depressed about it but what can you do. Crazy how 20AA is not competitive these days, I wish I graduated in 98! Congrats to all of you who got interviews already, good luck with everything.

Don't take it too hard. Adcoms all have different biases...something in your application might have struck them the wrong way at Case, but that thing could ultimately be what gets you in somewhere else. You have solid stats, just stay with it and this time next year you'll be packin the Uhaul for the big move to dental school.
 
Got the rejection letter today, but it's not the first time. I have a 3.5 GPA, 3.55 BCP, 20AA, and 20TS, so yeah, I thought I just might get an interview this year. But I understand, they have 3K applicants and they need to be selective. I will admit I'm kinda depressed about it but what can you do. Crazy how 20AA is not competitive these days, I wish I graduated in 98! Congrats to all of you who got interviews already, good luck with everything.

WHAT THE ****. Did you have your letters in already? Do you think it was your PAT score?
 
holy smokes...i'm a little concerned now...my gpa is higher but I haven't taken the DAT yet...i hate stress.
 
haha my gpa is way lower than that...i will be rejected for sure!!
 
3000 apps? why is case so popular, is it the 80% out-of-staters?
 
Sorry dude, your stats are very good, above their averages!!! My only guess is that perhaps you applied too early and the people with 3.8 and 24's overshadowed you?


you will def. get in somewhere
 
Wow, that's pretty scary...not even an interview. Good luck - you'll get in somewhere with those stats.

On another note...was your PAT score respectable?
 
Don't get discouraged Case is so picky in who they take if one little thing is out of place they drop you like a rock. My friend goes there and he got an 18 and had a 3.3 GPA so you never really know. Keep at it those numbers will get you in multiple places.😀
 
I know the feeling - I swear that my rejection letter from Case arrived before they even received my application.
 
Got the rejection letter today, but it’s not the first time. I have a 3.5 GPA, 3.55 BCP, 20AA, and 20TS, so yeah, I thought I just might get an interview this year. But I understand, they have 3K applicants and they need to be selective. I will admit I’m kinda depressed about it but what can you do. Crazy how 20AA is not competitive these days, I wish I graduated in 98! Congrats to all of you who got interviews already, good luck with everything.

might give us more insight if you break down your DAT score for each section. Do you have good RC score?
 
why is case so popular?

it is among the most applied to school on predents
 
A 20 AA is plenty competitive.

It doesn't matter HOW good your stats are. You will get blown off by some schools - and more often than not, it will be one where your stats are well above their averages. Your PS or LORs may sound amazing to one adcom, and completely crappy to another - there is too much bias to even try to figure out WHY.

No equation or genius algorithm will ever be able to predict the 'luck' factor that falls into the application process.


Just got to tough it out and look forward to the next school.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about getting 1 rejection...it's a crapshoot these days...you will get in somewhere! Best of luck! 🙂
 
A 20 AA is plenty competitive.

It doesn't matter HOW good your stats are. You will get blown off by some schools - and more often than not, it will be one where your stats are well above their averages. Your PS or LORs may sound amazing to one adcom, and completely crappy to another - there is too much bias to even try to figure out WHY.

No equation or genius algorithm will ever be able to predict the 'luck' factor that falls into the application process.


Just got to tough it out and look forward to the next school.

yea i would hope that is still competitive! 😕all you guys with good stats getting rejected early just worries me even more. sorry to hear that though but keep your head up! something will work out! g'luc :luck:
 
Got the rejection letter today, but it’s not the first time. I have a 3.5 GPA, 3.55 BCP, 20AA, and 20TS, so yeah, I thought I just might get an interview this year. But I understand, they have 3K applicants and they need to be selective. I will admit I’m kinda depressed about it but what can you do. Crazy how 20AA is not competitive these days, I wish I graduated in 98! Congrats to all of you who got interviews already, good luck with everything.

Your stats are competitive with the mean scores for Case with AA 19.36, PA 18.5, gpa (o) 3.5 and sci at 3.45. Could it be that Case is not re-applicant friendly?
 
this thread is making me afraid to check my mail
 
20AA is no good at Case Western unless you have a really strong GPA to offset an automatic rejection letter. Their office has to select between thousands of applicants for 80 slots, so you can see why 21AA seems to be the new standard for getting an interview at that school. There are just too many predents with awesome stats these days.
 
with all due respect, any higher gpa, and dat, the guy should jthen ust go to medical school there.

i think that there had to be something wrong with a lor, personal statement. 20AA is not grounds for automatic rejection ----- Especially this early in the process
 
Your stats are competitive with the mean scores for Case with AA 19.36, PA 18.5, gpa (o) 3.5 and sci at 3.45. Could it be that Case is not re-applicant friendly?

I think you're on to something. After I was rejected by Case last year (2007 cycle), I called to see what I needed to do to improve my chances for the following year (this cycle). I was told that the adcom had made a notation on my 2007 app stating that they recommended that I get a MS degree. That was not stated anywhere in my rejection letter, it's info that I wouldn't have known had I not called. Since a lot, if not most, MS programs take 2 years to complete, I asked about my chances if I was enrolled in a MS program but not done with it because I didn't want to skip an entire application cycle. I was told point blank, "We keep your old app on file and if you haven't completed the recommendations notated on it by the time you reapply, you're wasting your time & money". Sooooo, how many other re-applicants have "Notations" on their old app that they don't know about and Case didn't bother to tell them about??😡
 
geeze, raising your dat score, or an extra ec, i can see...but a 2 year MS degree!?!? that's a lot to ask for!
 
20AA is no good at Case Western unless you have a really strong GPA to offset an automatic rejection letter. Their office has to select between thousands of applicants for 80 slots, so you can see why 21AA seems to be the new standard for getting an interview at that school. There are just too many predents with awesome stats these days.
Yet their stats for the 2006 class are AA-19.36, PAT-18.5, GPA-3.5, sGPA-3.45. There has to be something else in the application that they did not like. WashingtonDAT's stats should warrant a bit more consideration.
 
Got the rejection letter today, but it’s not the first time. I have a 3.5 GPA, 3.55 BCP, 20AA, and 20TS, so yeah, I thought I just might get an interview this year. But I understand, they have 3K applicants and they need to be selective. I will admit I’m kinda depressed about it but what can you do. Crazy how 20AA is not competitive these days, I wish I graduated in 98! Congrats to all of you who got interviews already, good luck with everything.


sorry, that sux. Don't get discouraged👍
 
20AA is no good at Case Western unless you have a really strong GPA to offset an automatic rejection letter. Their office has to select between thousands of applicants for 80 slots, so you can see why 21AA seems to be the new standard for getting an interview at that school. There are just too many predents with awesome stats these days.

You could have some concrete evidence for 21AA as the new standard. In the meantime, you should recognize that, for 2006, the distribution of scores of 21 and above was under 10% or about 1200 applicants. (In an earlier post you recalled 1990 as the golden year for dental school admission when the mean DAT for enrollees was ~16 and GPA ~3.2. What was not mentioned was the fact that there were 5123 applicants for 3708 slots of 1st time enrollees and 4001 slots for total 1st year enrollees. The number of applicants for 2006 and probably 2007 are far different than in those golden days. (J. Dent Ed 67(6) 2003) and www.ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_score_frequency.pdf

Sorry dude, your stats are very good, above their averages!!! My only guess is that perhaps you applied too early and the people with 3.8 and 24's overshadowed you?

The frequency of DAT scores of 24 AA and above for 2006 was 2.l%. With ~12K applicants that would translate into 252 applicants. It is unlikely that all, if not most, of them would choose CASE as their school of choice. You can rest assured the number of applicants with GPA of 3.8 is likely even less than 2.1%.
 
You could have some concrete evidence for 21AA as the new standard. In the meantime, you should recognize that, for 2006, the distribution of scores of 21 and above was under 10% or about 1200 applicants. (In an earlier post you recalled 1990 as the golden year for dental school admission when the mean DAT for enrollees was ~16 and GPA ~3.2. What was not mentioned was the fact that there were 5123 applicants for 3708 slots of 1st time enrollees and 4001 slots for total 1st year enrollees. The number of applicants for 2006 and probably 2007 are far different than in those golden days. (J. Dent Ed 67(6) 2003) and www.ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_score_frequency.pdf
You want concrete evidence, so I'll give it to you. 2960 people applied to Case Western last cycle and 76 will get the chance to become dentists at that school this Fall (2.5% of Case applicants granted admission). The average applicant had a 19.6 DAT and 3.5 GPA. That means anyone applying with a 20 DAT and 3.5 GPA will be at the baseline average among the other 3,000 applicants trying to get their foot in the door. 20AA is a great DAT score, but you are missing the point in that so many predentals now have 20AA on the DAT that it cannot make you a competitive applicant at Case Western anymore unless you have a 3.6 or higher GPA to stand out among the other thousands. Whether you like it or not, 21AA is the new standard at getting your foot in the door at schools like Case that receive thousands of applications every cycle. It stinks to be required to score that high, I know, but that's just the nature of the situation right now.

You mentioned my earlier post about 16AA in 1990 being the prime time of applying to dental school with only a little over 5000 applicants. I think you answered your own question if you sit back and think about it. Not only were there far fewer applicants to each school, but the DAT numbers were lower as well. It was the perfect situation if you were getting into dentistry around that time. That was 17 years ago, though. The biggest factor in admissions these days has been the influx of applicants with similar scores as everybody else, not necessarily higher scores. If Case Western only had 1,000 applicants for 76 spots, you could take that 20AA and feel relatively safe but it's three times a thousand now. A 20AA DAT doesn't stand a chance against those numbers without something else shining on the application.

Aim for 21AA when applying to Case Western these days for so many reasons. If you can't reach that goal, then there's a darn good chance you will be in the same boat with the other ~2,860 applicants that didn't make it in the door and were accepted elsewhere. Just the way it is these days.
 
hey, sorry to hear the bad news - but dont feel bad, it's soooo early in the application process!!!!!

also, regarding case western, can you guys tell me if they had a supplemental application at all? or is it just the one from aadsas?

have any of you guys gotten supplements? if yes, from where?

thanks!
 
Apparently there's 86 incoming for next year's class. Case had already cut down the number they sent out acceptances to, but around 50% of them still accepted. The normal class size is 70, so this year they'll probably be sending out even less acceptances on dec 1st (because people from their 6 year program, people that deferred to attend this year.)
 
You want concrete evidence, so I'll give it to you. The average applicant had a 19.6 DAT and 3.5 GPA. That means anyone applying with a 20 DAT and 3.5 GPA will be at the baseline average among the other 3,000 applicants trying to get their foot in the door. 20AA is a great DAT score, but you are missing the point in that so many predentals now have 20AA on the DAT that it cannot make you a competitive applicant at Case Western anymore unless you have a 3.6 or higher GPA to stand out among the other thousands. Whether you like it or not, 21AA is the new standard at getting your foot in the door at schools like Case that receive thousands of applications every cycle. It stinks to be required to score that high, I know, but that's just the nature of the situation right now.

You mentioned my earlier post about 16AA in 1990 being the prime time of applying to dental school with only a little over 5000 applicants. I think you answered your own question if you sit back and think about it. Not only were there far fewer applicants to each school, but the DAT numbers were lower as well. It was the perfect situation if you were getting into dentistry around that time. That was 17 years ago, though. The biggest factor in admissions these days has been the influx of applicants with similar scores as everybody else, not necessarily higher scores. If Case Western only had 1,000 applicants for 76 spots, you could take that 20AA and feel relatively safe but it's three times a thousand now. A 20AA DAT doesn't stand a chance against those numbers without something else shining on the application.

Aim for 21AA when applying to Case Western these days for so many reasons. If you can't reach that goal, then there's a darn good chance you will be in the same boat with the other ~2,860 applicants that didn't make it in the door and were accepted elsewhere. Just the way it is these days.


Sorry, but we have a No Sale these days or any days on your concrete evidence. If you had said that you have a friend who has a friend whose friend knows someone on the adcoms at Case or if you had said that you read it somewhere but can’t remember the specific issue of Mad Magazine, your assertions might have merited some consideration. For 2006 there were only 6 schools (Harvard, Columbia, UCLA, Washington, Suny SB, Penn) with a combined first year enrollment of 417 that had mean AA score at 21 and above. The 2960 count for Case is not convincing evidence considering the fact that some schools such as Columbia with 2050 applicants for 76 slots commanded a mean AA score of 22.16; Washington with 1012 applicants and 90 slots had a mean score of 21.22 and UCLA with 1743 applicants and 88 slots had a mean score of 22.

You seem to be confusing the applicant pool mean DAT scores with those of enrollees mean scores. Your assertion that average Case applicant had a DAT of 19.6 is most certainly an exaggeration, considering the fact that the published number for 05 was 18.73 and for 06 it was 18.98. Is it possible for Case to achieve the high bar you have suggested? Of course it is. However, in order for that to happen, (1) the number of US applicants would have to increase dramatically or (2) applicants with high DAT scores would have to overwhelmingly prefer Case over the other 55 schools.

Acceptance to ds is more a function of the number of applicant than DAT score in those cases (as in 1990) where the applicant-to- enrollee ratio is close to 1. In such a case, the DAT scores of the applicants and enrollees are virtually identical. As the number of applicants increases to ratios of 2 and 3 (and perhaps higher), as is the case in the present, we see a significant shift in the mean DAT of the enrollees. Contrary to comments by others, the DAT in the applicant pool remains relatively unchanged in spite of the increase in the number of applicants who take the exam. For 2006 out of 8936 applicants who took the DAT less than 10% or ~ 890 had DAT of 21 and above. There just aren't enough students with high DAT scores to go around. Understanding statistics or, if you will, the population distribution (Bell Curve) is critical to understanding the numbers game.
 
I was told point blank, "We keep your old app on file and if you haven't completed the recommendations notated on it by the time you reapply, you're wasting your time & money". Sooooo, how many other re-applicants have "Notations" on their old app that they don't know about and Case didn't bother to tell them about??😡

This is where having a good relationship with a prehealth advisor comes in handy.
 
Yet their stats for the 2006 class are AA-19.36, PAT-18.5, GPA-3.5, sGPA-3.45. There has to be something else in the application that they did not like. WashingtonDAT's stats should warrant a bit more consideration.

yeah. People are forgetting that its not all just about stats. If you have those kinds of stats but did nothing at all else: no research, little/no dental experience, no work experience, no community service, etc. maybe a weak and uninteresting personal statement then those stats aren't gonna do much for you. They wanna see someone who can prove they are dedicated to the field and could hang in D-school.
 
yeah. People are forgetting that its not all just about stats. If you have those kinds of stats but did nothing at all else: no research, little/no dental experience, no work experience, no community service, etc. maybe a weak and uninteresting personal statement then those stats aren't gonna do much for you. They wanna see someone who can prove they are dedicated to the field and could hang in D-school.

great point!

I got invited for an interview despite a DAT lower than 20. I think my ec helped out a ton. I do have a decent gpa >3.6, but I think it was my ec that made me stand out. Case rejected my friend last cycle. He had a 23 on the DAT but a low gpa and poor ec's.

In regards to the orginal post. You'll get in somewhere with those scores.
 
Your stats are competitive with the mean scores for Case with AA 19.36, PA 18.5, gpa (o) 3.5 and sci at 3.45. Could it be that Case is not re-applicant friendly?

I'm a reapplicant and I was offered an interview this year. Last year Case was my first rejection.

Sorry, Wash... you should be proud of those stats, something will probably come your way this cycle.
 
I'm a reapplicant and I was offered an interview this year. Last year Case was my first rejection.

may i ask what are the differences in ur application from last year?
 
Case must have raised their standards within the past two years. My friend had a 3.2 GPA/ 3.1sGPA and a 19 on the DAT and got in. He had a little research, a few service oriented experiences, and the minimal amt. of dental experience required now by most schools. Now "Washington" got rejected? What's going on?
 
I'm a reapplicant and I was offered an interview this year. Last year Case was my first rejection.

Sorry, Wash... you should be proud of those stats, something will probably come your way this cycle.

That shows how difficult it is to guess what adcoms are thinking.
 
Just got my rejection letter from Case.

Overall: 3.49
Science: 3.37
DAT: 18/18/19

I knew that my DAT scores wouldn't be good enough but I am still surprised because I was told by Case that they will put my application on hold until my new DAT scores came in (since I indicated on AADSAS that I plan on retaking).
 
applied to the DMD/MD program at Case. got an interview at the dental school but rejected at the medical school. now to me, that makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Hi ingemar,
I'm actually interested in applying to that DMD/MD program at Case.
Would you mind sharing your stats? (You can PM me.)
Thanks!

WashingtonDAT, your stats are amazing. I'm sure other school will accept you. Good luck!
 
Just got my rejection letter from Case.

Overall: 3.49
Science: 3.37
DAT: 18/18/19

I knew that my DAT scores wouldn't be good enough but I am still surprised because I was told by Case that they will put my application on hold until my new DAT scores came in (since I indicated on AADSAS that I plan on retaking).

So I emailed Dr. Dalsky and asked why my application was even reviewed in the first place since it should be on hold until my new scores come in. He emailed me back and said that they made a mistake and my application is now back at "pending". I bet I have this little star next to my application now saying "Reject her once her new scores come in" hahaha
 
So I emailed Dr. Dalsky and asked why my application was even reviewed in the first place since it should be on hold until my new scores come in. He emailed me back and said that they made a mistake and my application is now back at "pending". I bet I have this little star next to my application now saying "Reject her once her new scores come in" hahaha

That is so weird! What if you HADN'T called and found out that they had made a mistake?!
 
I posted this in another thread, but it seems appropriate for this one too (and there are more people watching this thread I think!)

Case rejected me last year, when I was a double major (statistics, neuroscience) with good grades, and a 23 AA on my DAT. I'm also a girl (which shouldn't help but does). Granted, I applied really late, but still...I should have gotten at least an interview.

The irony is my now-husband is a 3rd year at Case and I work here doing research. 3 of the faculty members I work with are on the adcom, so I know a little bit about the process. Basically it's a complete mess, and it's kind of a crapshoot. It's all about the earliest applicants. They are also trying to attract independent learners bc of their new PBL curriculum, so if anything on your application indicates you love learning by listening to lecture and taking notes, that's not really a good thing.

Red Falcon - Case doesn't have a set percentage. They invite a certain number of students based on past percentages that accept, which is why they have 86 students in the class of 2011. It's kind of worrisome, and they know they will have real problems in the clinic in 2 years. They are going to be much more cautious in extending acceptances this year.

To the girls interested in the DMD/MD program - don't. It's a waste of time unless you plan to specialize in oral surgery, and lots of money. You'll be a mediocre doctor and dentist. They haven't quite figured out how to make it successful yet.
 
Hi guys i have a question. I have applied to dental schools in america. the thing is i have had a transcript notation for misconduct in the past but it has been over for a long time now. my question to you guys is should i mention it to the dental school admission people or should i not mention it cuz it is off the records. They might ask me but i could say it was a bad phase in my life. please advice me guys.
 
This new innovative curriculum thing that they mention in their brochure? What is it all about?
 
Hi guys i have a question. I have applied to dental schools in america. the thing is i have had a transcript notation for misconduct in the past but it has been over for a long time now. my question to you guys is should i mention it to the dental school admission people or should i not mention it cuz it is off the records. They might ask me but i could say it was a bad phase in my life. please advice me guys.

Always disclose everything.
 
I know i posted this elswhere but i just needed to vent. CASE put my application on hold wanting me to retake the DAT. I think something going on over there becuase they seem to be being pretty strict this year. Although it is not a rejection yet, i still understand how you feel becuase it definitley makes me worry more. I also looked at predents.com and saw that they have rejected a ton this year already.

P.S. my stats are were
Bio 21
Ch 20
OC 23
RC 18 😡 I called Case and they said this was the problem
QR 17 😡
TS 22
AA 20
PAT 21
BCP 3.83 🙂
Overall 3.63
 
I know i posted this elswhere but i just needed to vent. CASE put my application on hold wanting me to retake the DAT. I think something going on over there becuase they seem to be being pretty strict this year. Although it is not a rejection yet, i still understand how you feel becuase it definitley makes me worry more. I also looked at predents.com and saw that they have rejected a ton this year already.

P.S. my stats are were
Bio 21
Ch 20
OC 23
RC 18 😡 I called Case and they said this was the problem
QR 17 😡
TS 22
AA 20
PAT 21
BCP 3.83 🙂
Overall 3.63


yeah must be the RC. I got 18 on QR but I have an interview there in Oct
 
You want concrete evidence, so I'll give it to you. 2960 people applied to Case Western last cycle and 76 will get the chance to become dentists at that school this Fall (2.5% of Case applicants granted admission). The average applicant had a 19.6 DAT and 3.5 GPA. That means anyone applying with a 20 DAT and 3.5 GPA will be at the baseline average among the other 3,000 applicants trying to get their foot in the door. 20AA is a great DAT score, but you are missing the point in that so many predentals now have 20AA on the DAT that it cannot make you a competitive applicant at Case Western anymore unless you have a 3.6 or higher GPA to stand out among the other thousands. Whether you like it or not, 21AA is the new standard at getting your foot in the door at schools like Case that receive thousands of applications every cycle. It stinks to be required to score that high, I know, but that's just the nature of the situation right now.

doc is right there is a HUGE difference between Applicants and Accepted/Enrolled.
 
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