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[G0dFather]

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I have a freind of mine with a 3.4 and a 16 dat and also someone with a 3.2 and a 20 on the mcats from another college i know and he got denied without an interview from NYCPM and temple dis early in the process..... so its not like wat everyone says that pod schools accept anyone ( im experciencing this first hand) .... i think they are raising the standards the more people apply to this and it gets known ( they might have toughed up a bit this yr , cuz next yr it will be strictly MCATS) ..... in 5 yrears from now watch dis thing explode it will be the next hardest thing to get into .... jus like how dentistry was 5 years ago (wen i was a Jr in high school) and look at it now lol .... no body should be discouraged from the field due to prestige and all that crap, its coming soon .... as long as u liked wat u saw and u think ur able to do this for the next 30 yrs or so of ur life ( if you shadowed a pod) !!! lol

 

[JEWmongous]

I have a freind of mine with a 3.4 and a 16 dat and he got denied without an interview from NYCPM and temple dis early in the process..... so its not like everyone says that pod schools accept anyone .... i think they are raising the standards the more people apply to this and it gets known ..... in 5 yrears from now watch dis thing be the next hardest thing to get into .... jus like how dentistry was 5 years ago ( wen i was a Jr in high school) and look at it now lol .... no body should e discouraged from the feild due to prestige and all that crap its coming soon .... as long as u liked wat u saw and u think ur able to do this for the next 30 yrs or so of ur life !!! lol

Well at 16 on the DAT sucks (below national average). Along with Barry, they are the only ass backward schools left to accept the DAT. If one is going to avoid the MCAT, at least do well on the DAT.

 

[G0dFather]

i edited it lol read again

 

[DPMstudent]

a 20 on the mcat is well below average as well (on the exam)

 

[G0dFather]

well how about all those other posts on here that **** on the profession saying people with 19s on mcats get in.... i think thats all BS

 

[DPMstudent]

well how about all those other posts on here that **** on the profession saying people with 19s on mcats get in.... i think thats all BS

thats very true. its good to see that may not be the case any longer. below a 20 on the mcat is bush league and people with scores like that shouldn't get accepted into pod school.

 

[G0dFather]

its good to finally see that we agree on something

 

[geoff325]

.....

 

[G0dFather]

its the internet .... and u dont even kno my gpa u ****ing **** .... dont call me a ***** have respect 4 ur superiors in all aspects of life

 

[Dr. Gangrene]

Please keep it civil. Hardly anyone uses proper grammar on web forums.

 

[G0dFather]

thnk u and sorry Dr G

 

[Paulywog]

I am glad some of the schools still accepted the DAT score for last year's admissions. I got in with a DAT score and few of my classmates and we are doing extremely well. PLease don't turn this thread into a DAT vs. MCAT thread.

 

[uberconfuzzled]

well how about all those other posts on here that **** on the profession saying people with 19s on mcats get in.... i think thats all BS

A DPM once told me that people with MCAT scores well below the national average(like a 19 or 20) who ARE getting into pod schools are probably being scammed. The schools accept you, even if they KNOW you are not really capable/motivated to excel in pod schools, they take your depsoit money, your tuition money and then watch you drop out like flies when the classes get too hard (i think the dpm said anatomy was the killer class).

But I don't get it. Wouldnt they get MORE money if they accepted people who could finish all four years? Then again, it probably explains why OCPM accepts over 100 students versus the 50 or so seats that are available at the other schools.

Oh, what a world we live in....

 

[DPMstudent]

But I don't get it. Wouldnt they get MORE money if they accepted people who could finish all four years? Then again, it probably explains why OCPM accepts over 100 students versus the 50 or so seats that are available at the other schools.

Oh, what a world we live in....

🙄 Here we go again....
Class size caps
AZPOD - 30
Barry - 67
Cali - 48
DMU - 53
NYCPM - 109
OCPM - 125
Scholl - 98
Temple - 100
I doubt any school's class size is the cap exactly, but they are close estimates. Although I don't contest the previous statement about accepting students for money, people need to stop acting like other schools ie- scholl, temple, nycpm aren't just as big. It gets real old.

Further more, there is a long discussion on these topics in previous threads. Use the search function! This is nothing new.

 

[G0dFather]

wow arizona withe 30 studnets thas crazyy !!

 

[DPMstudent]

wow arizona withe 30 studnets thas crazyy !!

it's a new school - i think they've had 1 graduating class so far, so they are limited to a small class size. over the years AZPOD will continue to grow for sure, probably to the 50-60 student range at least.

 

[G0dFather]

o ok i c ... they must get alot of attention

 

[JEWmongous]

🙄 Here we go again....
Class size caps
AZPOD - 30
Barry - 67
Cali - 48
DMU - 53
NYCPM - 109
OCPM - 125
Scholl - 98
Temple - 100
I doubt any school's class size is the cap exactly, but they are close estimates. Although I don't contest the previous statement about accepting students for money, people need to stop acting like other schools ie- scholl, temple, nycpm aren't just as big. It gets real old.

Further more, there is a long discussion on these topics in previous threads. Use the search function! This is nothing new.

Cali sticks to its cap for sure. Max is 48 but most classes range from 40-48.

OCPM, the dean told me they can have 135 max students in each class 😕

 

[DPMstudent]

Cali sticks to its cap for sure. Max is 48 but most classes range from 40-48.

OCPM, the dean told me they can have 135 max students in each class 😕

maybe next year, but i'm not sure. if you look on the official site, as posted before the max is 125 and i heard actual class size was 119 this year.

 

[DPMstudent]

heres the file from which the statistics came http://www.apma.org/s_apma/bin.asp?CID=299&DID=9191&DOC=FILE.PDF

 

[G0dFather]

great stuff

 

[DJ Quik]

If your MCAT sucks, there is a good chance you will drop out of school. You can't be stupid and do well. I am not saying that poor MCAT equals stupid, but Low MCAT might indicate poor critical thinking skills or terrible test skills. There are tests in Pod school, and boards, so if you suck really bad at tests, maybe this profession is not for you. I think they should only look at MCAT scores, because there is no homework in Pod school to boost your GPA, its ALL tests.

I forgot what the question was.

Oh, I think all schools should be more stringent on who they let in, even if class size suffers in the short term.

 

[geoff325]

its all about the mcat. when i interviewed, i was repeatedly told that the MCAT was a very good predictor of academic success. its that simple. obviously there is much more the being a doctor, but the start is to learn the material.

 

[sguiliana]

its all about the mcat. when i interviewed, i was repeatedly told that the MCAT was a very good predictor of academic success. its that simple. obviously there is much more the being a doctor, but the start is to learn the material.

The MCAT rarely predicts academic success. Someone I know had a 3.91 GPA did very bad on the MCAT. Its how well you take the test. It's been shown that there is a direct coorelation between MCAT scores and how well an individual does on the board exam. Thats why schools weigh the MCATs so heavily 👍

 

[Feli]

The MCAT rarely predicts academic success...

It's actually a great predictor IMO...
Pod school grades are all based on tests, so it sure helps to be good at taking tests.

Everyone goes to a different undergrad and has various majors. We all know a BS in chem at Ivy league is a tad different from a BA in life science at a low teir school. MCAT is the equalizer. Likewise, pod boards and residency clerkships/interviews are also equalizers among pod students from different schools.

I think MCAT and interest are what matter most when it comes to success in pod school. Why do you know the name, jersey number, stats, etc of every player in your favorite sport? Because you're interested in it, and you pay good attention. Student talent definitely matters, but interest is also a big factor. If your classes are dull and you can't/won't focus, you are going to struggle. That is why you need good professors and many full time faculty IMO, and you need to be a dedicated student.

 

[sguiliana]

It's actually a great predictor IMO...
Pod school grades are all based on tests, so it sure helps to be good at taking tests.

Everyone goes to a different undergrad and has various majors. We all know a BS in chem at Ivy league is a tad different from a BA in life science at a low teir school. MCAT is the equalizer. Likewise, pod boards and residency clerkships/interviews are also equalizers among pod students from different schools.

I think MCAT and interest are what matter most when it comes to success in pod school. Why do you know the name, jersey number, stats, etc of every player in your favorite sport? Because you're interested in it, and you pay good attention. Student talent definitely matters, but interest is also a big factor. If your classes are dull and you can't/won't focus, you are going to struggle. That is why you need good professors and many full time faculty IMO, and you need to be a dedicated student.

Well IMO there's a big difference between test taking and standardized test taking. Granted, i'm sure im some cases you're absolutley right, but I know many people where this was not the case.

 

[DJ Quik]

People with low MCAT scores tend to have a harder time in school, regardless of undergrad GPA. This is general true but of course, there are exeptions to every rule.

 

[allenmarchallo]

People with low MCAT scores tend to have a harder time in school, regardless of undergrad GPA. This is general true but of course, there are exeptions to every rule.

If people with LOW MCAT scores are struggling in pod. school, then I guess majority of pod. students are struggling too, since the avg. acceptance range is ~19-24...This is after the fact that schools are getting more "competitive."


Personally, I took the DAT & made a 21 TS....I'm taking the MCAT in Jan. & I don't believe I'll do "great" on it....I'll probably just score ~21-25 since I'm not "breaking my butt"---to study 4 it....So, by that account, I should have it "harder" than others in school, right?

 

[JEWmongous]

If people with LOW MCAT scores are struggling in pod. school, then I guess majority of pod. students are struggling too, since the avg. acceptance range is ~19-24...This is after the fact that schools are getting more "competitive."


Personally, I took the DAT & made a 21 TS....I'm taking the MCAT in Jan. & I don't believe I'll do "great" on it....I'll probably just score ~21-25 since I'm not "breaking my butt"---to study 4 it....So, by that account, I should have it "harder" than others in school, right?

Yea, that is a great point IMO. DMU, which is one of the pod schools with more rigorous admissions, had a MCAT average of 23 last year. This is BELOW the national average of every Johnny and Barack who sits for the exam. AT DMU, the pods take the first year of classes with the DO students. I don't see or hear of tons and tons of DMU kids failing out because they could not handle the workload. I have heard of the pod class sometimes scoring higher than the DO's on certain exams. And I am positive the DO class certainly has a higher average than 23 on the the MCAT. Where is the logic there?

Overall, I'm not sure how the MCAT is such a great predictor of success when the pod schools claim they are on par with MD/DO curriculum but accept students with MUCH lower MCAT scores. One must realize that MCAT scores have been increasing the past few application cycles too. I wonder how pod students did when the overall acceptance average was 20/21 on the test???? Did the faculty make classes and tests easier? I don't believe so.

 

[DPMstudent]

I'm sure you can get into plenty of DO schools though with MCAT scores around a 24-25 though. So if you score in that range you should be competitive with those students as well. At my undergrad, if I scored a 24 and had a 3.0 (which I met) I was guaranteed a spot into a particular DO program in the same state. I think most pod students who take the MCAT meet the DO standards.

 

[JEWmongous]

I'm sure you can get into plenty of DO schools though with MCAT scores around a 24-25 though. So if you score in that range you should be competitive with those students as well. At my undergrad, if I scored a 24 and had a 3.0 (which I met) I was guaranteed a spot into a particular DO program in the same state. I think most pod students who take the MCAT meet the DO standards.

The average to get into MD school is about a 30. The kids at DO school with an average of 24-25 are not all flunking out - the retention rates are very strong overall. As stated before, even a 24 on the test is mediocre yet people are successfully making it through school and residency. DO and MD you learn the exact same material, except with extra classes on OMM for the osteopaths. Does the 5-6 point score difference mean much??? Doesn't seem like it.

About nearly meeting DO standards, I would say that maybe happens at AzPod, DMU (maybe scholl). There are 6 other pod schools out there, and some will willingly accept an applicant with a 16 on the MCAT. I know one particular pod school that will accept a 15 on the DAT and not even look at the perceptual ability portion. This is why a lot of people fail out. Scores that low are ridiculous!

 

[hamlinbeach]

The APMA, AACPM and CPME all need to commit to organize and initiate a program, or campaign, or something that will increase awareness of the field and its very attractive benefits geared toward educating say, premed advisory comittees and chairs. Learning real facts about the field, and real proceedures and the real education a podiatrist gets from the mouth of an advisor (rather than say, SDN haha) is a much better way to increase interest in podiatry then the current seemingly desperate measure of sending a mass mailing (that says we can play golf and make a lot of money) to every student who takes the MCAT. increasing knowledge about podiatry among people who undergrads often times look up to, can increase interest in podiatry among pre-professional students, which can increase our applicatant pool, which is one of very few feasible ways to increase our incoming MCAT score. All of this seems consistent with APMA's Vision 2015....so i'm not quite sure why something like this isnt being invested heavily in. maybe i should write a letter..

 

[DPMstudent]

The average to get into MD school is about a 30. The kids at DO school with an average of 24-25 are not all flunking out - the retention rates are very strong overall. As stated before, even a 24 on the test is mediocre yet people are successfully making it through school and residency. DO and MD you learn the exact same material, except with extra classes on OMM for the osteopaths. Does the 5-6 point score difference mean much??? Doesn't seem like it.

About nearly meeting DO standards, I would say that maybe happens at AzPod, DMU (maybe scholl). There are 6 other pod schools out there, and some will willingly accept an applicant with a 16 on the MCAT. I know one particular pod school that will accept a 15 on the DAT and not even look at the perceptual ability portion. This is why a lot of people fail out. Scores that low are ridiculous!

Thats what I'm saying. I think most people admitted to pod school are on par with DO matriculants. Of the people I've talked to all have scored well enough to get into DO school but chose to go pod. They are not struggling.

 

[zephryus14]

The APMA, AACPM and CPME all need to commit to organize and initiate a program, or campaign, or something that will increase awareness of the field and its very attractive benefits geared toward educating say, premed advisory comittees and chairs. Learning real facts about the field, and real proceedures and the real education a podiatrist gets from the mouth of an advisor (rather than say, SDN haha) is a much better way to increase interest in podiatry then the current seemingly desperate measure of sending a mass mailing (that says we can play golf and make a lot of money) to every student who takes the MCAT. increasing knowledge about podiatry among people who undergrads often times look up to, can increase interest in podiatry among pre-professional students, which can increase our applicatant pool, which is one of very few feasible ways to increase our incoming MCAT score. All of this seems consistent with APMA's Vision 2015....so i'm not quite sure why something like this isnt being invested heavily in. maybe i should write a letter..

Public awareness, especially for pre-med advisors is a big part of Vision 2015 and while you might not hear much about what they're doing, they're putting a lot of energy into this department. Over the summer I represented Scholl at the National Meeting for the National Association of Advisors for Health Professions (NAAHP), held in Chicago. Every podiatry school was represented there. Also in attendance was APMA President Ross Taubman. Having Ross there alone showed that the APMA is strongly committed to spreading the podiatry word to health advisors. Both Taubman and David Yeager gave presentations on both podiatry and the need to promote it more on the undergraduate level. The APMA booth, as well as all the podiatry school booths, were a huge success. I was also able to sit on a student panel with other health profession students aimed at educating advisors on why we chose the path that we're on. On top of that, Scholl, and I'm sure other schools, will cover travel costs for students who would like to travel back to their undergraduate institutions to talk to their old advisor and pre-med societies about podiatry and why students should take a look into it.

 

[hamlinbeach]

Public awareness, especially for pre-med advisors is a big part of Vision 2015 and while you might not hear much about what they're doing, they're putting a lot of energy into this department. Over the summer I represented Scholl at the National Meeting for the National Association of Advisors for Health Professions (NAAHP), held in Chicago. Every podiatry school was represented there. Also in attendance was APMA President Ross Taubman. Having Ross there alone showed that the APMA is strongly committed to spreading the podiatry word to health advisors. Both Taubman and David Yeager gave presentations on both podiatry and the need to promote it more on the undergraduate level. The APMA booth, as well as all the podiatry school booths, were a huge success. I was also able to sit on a student panel with other health profession students aimed at educating advisors on why we chose the path that we're on. On top of that, Scholl, and I'm sure other schools, will cover travel costs for students who would like to travel back to their undergraduate institutions to talk to their old advisor and pre-med societies about podiatry and why students should take a look into it.

very nice I didn't know that! I have heard from admissions at OCPM that their numbers are up thus far from last year; I'm sure that that's the case around the country. I remember when I applied, my premed advisor knew NOTHING about podiatry, and told me that 'you can get into a DO school, why are you applying to podiatry? usually premeds want to become doctors', like it was a backup and not a goal. That is the thing that needs to end... ESP. in the north east. If we can get our application pool up from the 800's to 1100-1500, our incoming stats would go up. great to hear that the APMA is working on it.

 

[TheBee]

About nearly meeting DO standards, I would say that maybe happens at AzPod, DMU (maybe scholl)...

What's with all the hype about meeting DO standards? Are they the golden ruler to which we should all be measured? At Scholl we take clinical anatomy and essentials of clinical reasoning with the MD students, but we still aren't all consumed by reaching "MD standards". Our curriculum is just as in-depth and comprehensive as the DO or MD curriculums, but what we care about first is being great pod students. And we hold our own in class with the MDs.

 

[215512]

About nearly meeting DO standards, I would say that maybe happens at AzPod, DMU (maybe scholl)...

What's with all the hype about meeting DO standards? Are they the golden ruler to which we should all be measured? At Scholl we take clinical anatomy and essentials of clinical reasoning with the MD students, but we still aren't all consumed by reaching "MD standards". Our curriculum is just as in-depth and comprehensive as the DO or MD curriculums, but what we care about first is being great pod students. And we hold our own in class with the MDs.

bottom line lady most smart pre-pod and current students want to be held to THE SAME standards as the mds and dos especially if we expect to be treated as people with teh same level of education and competency...if you want to say pods are awesome and who needs to compare us to md and do then you would be slight naive because if you want to be on teh same level as someone else you are not going to do not as well but still expect to be treated as an equal...thats just ridiculous