Relationship in Ortho Practices

[postbacpremed87]

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Maybe the experienced pods or residents could chime in. What is the nature of the relationship between ortho surgeons and podiatric surgeons in ortho groups? Are they generally treated with the utmost respect (or do they take care of their own more than DPMs)? For instance are you generally looked at as an equivalent/talented colleague? Are you considered an "employee"or an equivalent member of the team. They start their foot and ankle MD counterparts at a lot higher starting salary than they would a starting podiatric surgeon....so that's why I question the general relationship.

It seems to me that when you have a patient with foot/ankle problems that the DPM is who you should go to.

The DPM who could have possibly graduated at or near the top of his/her DPM class, published articles on foot/ankle surgical procedures, did a top residency (logged 1500-2000 surgeries - even RRA), and even a fellowship.....this all seems greater than a short fellowship that they go through.

 

[Textbookversion]

Short fellowship what? Ortho residency is 5 years, and then 1 year of fellowship. They have way more training than some 2 year residency DPM grad. Like enormous amounts more. Not to mention DPM = bottom of premed class, Ortho = top of med school class.

 

[postbacpremed87]

Short fellowship what? Ortho residency is 5 years, and then 1 year of fellowship. They have way more training than some 2 year residency DPM grad. Like enormous amounts more. Not to mention DPM = bottom of premed class, Ortho = top of med school class.

I believe I was talking about emphasis on the foot and ankle

DPM = winner on that front

 

[postbacpremed87]

Short fellowship what? Ortho residency is 5 years, and then 1 year of fellowship. They have way more training than some 2 year residency DPM grad. Like enormous amounts more. Not to mention DPM = bottom of premed class, Ortho = top of med school class.

Don't make such sweeping statements. You do not know the details of everyone's life. I just made an A in organic chemistry and have a 3.8 overall gpa/science gpa.

I made an A in Calc 1-3 and differential equations....oh and Physics 1 and 2. Haven't taken the real MCAT yet, but I would say so far my DPM stats are far better than a lot of people who apply MD.

The end.

 

[postbacpremed87]

Short fellowship what? Ortho residency is 5 years, and then 1 year of fellowship. They have way more training than some 2 year residency DPM grad. Like enormous amounts more. Not to mention DPM = bottom of premed class, Ortho = top of med school class.

The norm is 3 years of FOOT AND ANKLE. You lose sir.

 

[ldsrmdude]

Pods and Orthos will always have a somewhat strained relationship since the foot and ankle is "territory" we both cover. Some orthos can't stand pods and vice versa. In general the pissing matches on SDN are worse than in real life. DPM vs MD/Ortho/etc threads never end up anywhere productive and are not well tolerated. Please keep it civil if you want to discuss this topic that has been debated many times on SDN.

 

[ruprecht]

Short fellowship what? Ortho residency is 5 years, and then 1 year of fellowship. They have way more training than some 2 year residency DPM grad. Like enormous amounts more. Not to mention DPM = bottom of premed class, Ortho = top of med school class.

In the galaxy of healthcare providers, MD specialties and podiatrists reside in different solar systems each governed by the laws of their respective state laws. In practice some procedures occasionally overlap. From statements on these threads some chose to become podiatrists. Top or bottom of college class comments hint at placing an unmeasurable value on either with respect to qualifications--that's mean spirited--inappropriate, and badgering. Why do this? It's difficult enough to make a living in medicine with the changes--many unknowns--in healthcare. laws, rules, regulations, and poor reimbursements.

 

[PADPM]

Maybe the experienced pods or residents could chime in. What is the nature of the relationship between ortho surgeons and podiatric surgeons in ortho groups? Are they generally treated with the utmost respect (or do they take care of their own more than DPMs)? For instance are you generally looked at as an equivalent/talented colleague? Are you considered an "employee"or an equivalent member of the team. They start their foot and ankle MD counterparts at a lot higher starting salary than they would a starting podiatric surgeon....so that's why I question the general relationship.

It seems to me that when you have a patient with foot/ankle problems that the DPM is who you should go to.

The DPM who could have possibly graduated at or near the top of his/her DPM class, published articles on foot/ankle surgical procedures, did a top residency (logged 1500-2000 surgeries - even RRA), and even a fellowship.....this all seems greater than a short fellowship that they go through.

I know DPMs who work in orthopedic groups. The way they are treated is all over the spectrum and there is no one blanket statement that can be made regarding this matter. It is case dependent and the quaity and skills of the DPM ultimately contributes to this issue.

One reason foot and ankle orthopods often start with a higher salary is because they often have to take call for ALL orthopedic cases, something the DPM obviously can not do.

 

[heybrother]

I think there's a tendency for people to believe that the power-dynamic "relationships" that exist in medicine are somehow unique or don't exist elsewhere. I assure you they do. Same struggle - different names. What can you do about it? I suppose you make yourself a marketable commodity that people want to work with.

 

[Homo sapien]

Originally Posted by Textbookversion

Short fellowship what? Ortho residency is 5 years, and then 1 year of fellowship. They have way more training than some 2 year residency DPM grad. Like enormous amounts more. Not to mention DPM = bottom of premed class, Ortho = top of med school class.

No.

DPM= 3 year foot/ankle residency + fellowship (if desired)
Orthopedic= 5 year general orthoepdic residency + foot fellowship of 1 yr (if desired)

On the foot/ankle front, DPM wins.

Not everyone who wants to go into podiatry has bad grades. Stop generalizing.

 

[Textbookversion]

Originally Posted by Textbookversion


No.

DPM= 3 year foot/ankle residency + fellowship (if desired)
Orthopedic= 5 year general orthoepdic residency + foot fellowship of 1 yr (if desired)

On the foot/ankle front, DPM wins.

Not everyone who wants to go into podiatry has bad grades. Stop generalizing.

Really? Because I read threads in here about people being happy with their 2 years of residency training... Maybe in the future it will stay at 3 who knows.

F/A... ortho F/A wins.

 

[MysteriisPedum]

Really? Because I read threads in here about people being happy with their 2 years of residency training... Maybe in the future it will stay at 3 who knows.

F/A... ortho F/A wins.

I've heard it's only 3 year residencies offered nowadays. Could be wrong.

As for Orthopod vs Pod, it all comes down to the practitioner.

There are great orthopods ands pods out there, and some ****ty ones too.

 

[MysteriisPedum]

cGPA: 3.1
sGPA: 3.7
MCAT: 28Q, 30

I got 2 DO interviews and 1 MD (Caribbean of course).

Chose Pod route for various reasons.

 

[Zalligan]

Don't feed the troll.

He's probably not even a med student, and if he is, God help him in the real world if he applies that attitude to his day to day practice.

 

[MysteriisPedum]

Don't feed the troll.

He's probably not even a med student, and if he is, God help him in the real world if he applies that attitude to his day to day practice.

Over 600 posts. No troll is that dedicated.

 

[Zalligan]

Over 600 posts. No troll is that dedicated.

Should have specified...pod-forum troll

 

[air bud]

All of you need to quit being classic "pre-" whatever. Right meow.

 

[dyk343]

I've had fantastic relationships with ortho. I think this online flex your muscles crap is pretty funny though.

 

[Homo sapien]

F/A... ortho F/A wins.

Says who. Podiatrists have more foot and ankle dedicated training but in the end it comes down to the doctor doing it

 

[ruprecht]

Says who. Podiatrists have more foot and ankle dedicated training but in the end it comes down to the doctor doing it

Like I said: podiatry and MD specialties exist in different solar systems within the galaxy of healthcare providers. A relationship between an MD specialist and orthopedist will be different than that of a podiatrist because--being from separate--solar systems, education/training/experience, they speak different languages, approach situations differently, and for the most part an MD to MD dialogue will differ from an MD to DO colloquy, as well as a podiatrist to MD dialogue/relationship. There isn't a good or bad value, or weight applied to the relationships, it's simply different. Factor in personality, charisma, charm, and the nuance of language, the variations of relationships are endless. There is no broad brush stroke to fill a canvas where all assumptions, speculations, and who's doing what to whom, why, when, and how often applies. My dialogue with an oncologist, or dermatologist, or orthopedist remains--or has for the last few decades--unencumbered by degrees. However in a chat with an osteopath, there are elements of uncertainty because we're not all on the same page. This is due to a uniformity in training, and degree. Because of this it's futile to argue that one sort of foot and ankle surgeon is better or worse than another. They're simply different. I'd leave it at that, and focus on honing my marketable skills rather than comparing yourselves to others.

 

[air bud]

What all of you pre-pods need to understand is this:
A - this is an argument that can never be won online. Being defensive only plays into the perceived inferiority complex of podiatry. Being offensive only pokes the bull that is ortho. Anybody who knows a certain percentage of ortho docs knows the type of personality that goes with it. Saying "mine is bigger than yours" just isn't going to work without whipping it out. Which plays into my next statement
2 - a piece of paper or some diploma or some initials doesnt give you crap in this world. That is what is great about practicing the type of medicine we do. Results speak for themselves. You can only get away with poor surgical technique/post-op care/etc...for so long. That is unless you plan on being a traveling doctor in the mold of the snake-oil salesmen of the last century. People talk. Other doctors talk. Results talk. In the end, this is what matters, regardless of the letters after your name.
Finally - You are pre-pods. You have earned nothing. I get it. I was there too one day. Hard to believe I have been on these forums for almost 5 years. Some of you posting on here will not finish school for a variety of reasons. Most of you have no idea how the real world works. Most of you are younger students who are not yet comfortable in who they are or what defines them. That's cool, that's part of life and part of the maturation process. Just understand that in your current position you can do essentially nothing to advance the profession in a productive way other than referring them to a local podiatrist or the today's podiatrist website. You just can't. It is not right, it is not wrong, it just is. So sit down, open up a book and start reading. That is your job for the next 2 years. Then you will start seeing patients and your role will change. It is a process. Let it happen and enjoy it. Get the best training you can and be as dedicated to the profession as you can. Then, one day in 7 years you can join a community and start practicing and let your words and actions speak for themselves. Use your skills to advance the great profession of podiatry, not some hollow words on an anonymous forum.

 

[OhEmGee]

What all of you pre-pods need to understand is this:
A - this is an argument that can never be one online. Being defensive only plays into the perceived inferiority complex of podiatry. Being offensive only pokes the bull that is ortho. Anybody who knows a certain percentage of ortho docs knows the type of personality that goes with it. Saying "mine is bigger than yours" just isn't going to work without whipping it out. Which plays into my next statement
2 - a piece of paper or some diploma or some initials doesnt give you crap in this world. That is what is great about practicing the type of medicine we do. Results speak for themselves. You can only get away with poor surgical technique/post-op care/etc...for so long. That is unless you plan on being a traveling doctor in the mold of the snake-oil salesmen of the last century. People talk. Other doctors talk. Results talk. In the end, this is what matters, regardless of the letters after your name.
Finally - You are pre-pods. You have earned nothing. I get it. I was there too one day. Hard to believe I have been on these forums for almost 5 years. Some of you posting on here will not finish school for a variety of reasons. Most of you have no idea how the real world works. Most of you are younger students who are not yet comfortable in who they are or what defines them. That's cool, that's part of life and part of the maturation process. Just understand that in your current position you can do essentially nothing to advance the profession in a productive way other than referring them to a local podiatrist or the today's podiatrist website. You just can't. It is not right, it is not wrong, it just is. So sit down, open up a book and start reading. That is your job for the next 2 years. Then you will start seeing patients and your role will change. It is a process. Let it happen and enjoy it. Get the best training you can and be as dedicated to the profession as you can. Then, one day in 7 years you can join a community and start practicing and let your words and actions speak for themselves. Use your skills to advance the great profession of podiatry, not some hollow words on an anonymous forum.

Amen.

 

[air bud]

*won

 

[KaTrInAtF4]

this is an argument that can never be won online.

Got that for you!

Good comments.

 

[air bud]

What all of you pre-pods need to understand is this:
A - this is an argument that can never be one online. Being defensive only plays into the perceived inferiority complex of podiatry. Being offensive only pokes the bull that is ortho. Anybody who knows a certain percentage of ortho docs knows the type of personality that goes with it. Saying "mine is bigger than yours" just isn't going to work without whipping it out. Which plays into my next statement
2 - a piece of paper or some diploma or some initials doesnt give you crap in this world. That is what is great about practicing the type of medicine we do. Results speak for themselves. You can only get away with poor surgical technique/post-op care/etc...for so long. That is unless you plan on being a traveling doctor in the mold of the snake-oil salesmen of the last century. People talk. Other doctors talk. Results talk. In the end, this is what matters, regardless of the letters after your name.
Finally - You are pre-pods. You have earned nothing. I get it. I was there too one day. Hard to believe I have been on these forums for almost 5 years. Some of you posting on here will not finish school for a variety of reasons. Most of you have no idea how the real world works. Most of you are younger students who are not yet comfortable in who they are or what defines them. That's cool, that's part of life and part of the maturation process. Just understand that in your current position you can do essentially nothing to advance the profession in a productive way other than referring them to a local podiatrist or the today's podiatrist website. You just can't. It is not right, it is not wrong, it just is. So sit down, open up a book and start reading. That is your job for the next 2 years. Then you will start seeing patients and your role will change. It is a process. Let it happen and enjoy it. Get the best training you can and be as dedicated to the profession as you can. Then, one day in 7 years you can join a community and start practicing and let your words and actions speak for themselves. Use your skills to advance the great profession of podiatry, not some hollow words on an anonymous forum.

*won