replacing Medtronic batteries or Abbott

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I was approached by vendors from Abbott and nevro to replace the dead batteries of previously placed Medtronic stimulators. I do Medtronic spinal cord stimulator At my VA as it is the only vendor approved currently. Is it a common practice to replace the Medtronic batteries with other companies to get better burst stim?

Also, is there a difference between the battery of Medtronic paddle lead vs Perc.lead? A paddle SCS medtronic lead was referred to me for change of the battery. Medtronic rep says no difference!.


Thanks

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I mean replacing Medtronic batteries with Abbott/BS/Nevro
 
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our implanting surgeons will do this every once in a while if a patient requests using a different system or isn't getting relief with the current system. review with patient and make sure they understand the MRI compatibility issues before switching out.
 
I have switched five MDT systems to abbot to try and get better results with burst. My results have been less than stellar and I am a huge burst fan
 
I was approached by vendors from Abbott and nevro to replace the dead batteries of previously placed Medtronic stimulators. I do Medtronic spinal cord stimulator At my VA as it is the only vendor approved currently. Is it a common practice to replace the Medtronic batteries with other companies to get better burst stim?

Also, is there a difference between the battery of Medtronic paddle lead vs Perc.lead? A paddle SCS medtronic lead was referred to me for change of the battery. Medtronic rep says no difference!.


Thanks
I would do a trial first just leaving the old system in place during the trial...as long as there is room for the new leads along side or above/below the old ones
 
Of course, we don't replace "batteries", we replace SCS generators as a unit that includes the batteries. Why can't the batteries be housed separately from the rest of the generator? Electrolysis with calcification occurs at the contact points where the batteries plug into a separate generator unit. The downside of mixing generator/lead brands? Voids warranties, creates a nightmare of litigation if there is ever a lawsuit claiming injury, and the leads of different companies have different impedances and amperage capacities that may could theoretically cause issues with the output of generators that are supposed to be matched to the leads.
 
Agree with lobel. Comments like “I’m a huge fan of Burst” can be what influences another young/less experienced/uneducated neuromodulator to start using a technology that is bad for the space. A documented lack of efficacy of greater than 50% along with non-rechargeable batteries that will need to be replaced every 2-3 years at $20,000 a piece will do nothing but bad things for SCS. When patients were carefully selected and implanted with Burst and then followed for a year (ie: the SUNBURST study) it was shown not to work very well at all. Props to them for actually publishing it and double props for marketing the crap out of it and getting so many guys to use it. Maybe everyone is buying in to the message “we didn’t know how to program it but we do now”. If there is any truth to this then it should be published but it’s not. There was a post market study of the patients enrolled in the SUNBURST study where they were reprogrammed to optimize the therapy but the results were never publicized. I know two of the study investigators and each had trouble getting the data from St. Jude for their own patients who were optimized. One was very aggressive about getting his data and was successful, said that there was only a 0.1 VAS improvement after optimization. I encourage us all to be doctors and make good decisions and leave the reps and marketing nonsense out of it.

Remember, all SCS works. If you do a trial on a good SCS candidate, whether it be with Nevro, Abbott, or the Medtronic system from 2005, there’s an 85% chance they come in 5 days later saying you’ve changed their life. What happens 3 months post implant when we’re brushing them off to the rep fro programming is where we fail. None of us follow our patients like is done in a level 1 study. Please, let’s all acknowledge that fact and use the evidence in front of us to make good choices about what’s been proven to work long term and make our specialty a light of promise in the opioid epidemic.
 
A Boston guy convinced me to replace a dead Medtronic IPG with his model, stating they had adaptors for the leads. Lo and behold the Medtronic leads were so old they did not fit in the adaptor. And I had just spent an hour struggling to get to the pocket and crack open her calcified capsule. He ended up giving me a Boston scientific lead for free to go with the battery. Neither of us were happy.
 
To make a Boston or Nevro lead fit into a ABT IPG you have to snip off the end of the lead (just clear plastic) with scissors. I don’t use the connectors as they are too bulky and don’t work that well.
 
You can’t connect a MDT generator to any other system leads. The lead holes on the IPG are just a pinch too small. They don’t have any connectors.
 
You can’t connect a MDT generator to any other system leads. The lead holes on the IPG are just a pinch too small. They don’t have any connectors.
If you just trial on top of the old system like I mentioned earlier...then when you implant the new system you take the old battery out (and old leads out if its a perc system) at the same time, and you dont have to worry about any of these compatibility issues mentioned throughout this thread

And also you actually have some idea if its going to help them or not before committing them to changing the system over
 
To make a Boston or Nevro lead fit into a ABT IPG you have to snip off the end of the lead (just clear plastic) with scissors. I don’t use the connectors as they are too bulky and don’t work that well.

That sounds insane and cannot possibly be FDA approved.
Does it actually work?
 
I think Boston and Nevro both can connect to any lead. You just can’t seat it all the way in with a MDT or St Jude lead.
 
I’ve had no trouble connecting Nevro to any other leads. The one problem I did have was a Nuvectra paddle and when I asked Nevro if they could connect to it they didn’t know. Had to call to the corporate office to see if anyone in the company new and turns out they did not. They said Nuvectra had such a small market share they didn’t worry about checking compatibility and literally no one in the entire country has ever tried to connect the two. I never tried because this was a patient who I was considering doing a trial on because their current employment was not helping them, never did the trial.

I am in favor of doing a trial before swapping batteries. That’s what all of us do in our practice.
 
Nuvectra IPG will take st jude or Nevro leads so there should be any issue with the reverse.

2% market share.
 
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