Research during residency? What's the deal with this?

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elias514

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What's the deal with research during residencies? Is it the norm for highly competitive specialties (dermatology, orthopaedic surgery, ENT, urology, etc.) or is research mandatory at only certain prestigious residency programs?

Also, what sort of research do residents perform? Is it basic science or clinical research? Are they required to publish? I have so many questions regarding this matter. Any feedback would be great.
 
i've been looking at ENT programs and it seems quite the norm to do at least 6 months off and on a research project that is supposed to go to a publication and conference. alot of the research driven schools make you do a whole year of research, with an option to do even an extended year if you want to. that's 6 years.....if you plan on doing a fellowship on top of that........yuck.
 
Man, the whole idea of residents being obligated to do research seems very strange to me. Surely there are some ENT residency programs that do NOT obligate residents to do research. I mean, if you plan on going into academic medicine, then research during residency makes perfect sense. However, a considerable fraction of ENT residents will go into private practice. What's the freakin point of these people doing research? Doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe there are residency programs designed to produce academic physicians and programs structured to produce physicians who will go into private practice. I wonder if there is a strong correlation between prestige and the former.
 
The goal of some, if not most academic programs is to put out academic physicians. So, it makes sense for these programs to require research. Besides, even those who choose to make their practice 100% clinical need to keep up with the current literature. The best way to really understand what a good research paper is and how a good research paper is put together is to do research. If you don't want to do research, don't go to a hotshot academic program that requires it.
 
i understand where you are coming from. the residents that i talked to were stoked to be on the research part of the curriculum, because it meant that they didnt have to work as much and caught up on sleep, etc. they seemed very happy strolling into lab in my opinion!
now in terms of adding an extra year...i guess thats the reason why these people chose the program i am talking about (UCI) over some other ones. UCI is 5 years. many of the other cali ENT programs are 6 years.

Originally posted by elias514
Man, the whole idea of residents being obligated to do research seems very strange to me. Surely there are some ENT residency programs that do NOT obligate residents to do research. I mean, if you plan on going into academic medicine, then research during residency makes perfect sense. However, a considerable fraction of ENT residents will go into private practice. What's the freakin point of these people doing research? Doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe there are residency programs designed to produce academic physicians and programs structured to produce physicians who will go into private practice. I wonder if there is a strong correlation between prestige and the former.
 
Please remember that a research requirement or even just requiring residents to learn about research is not solely for the production of academic physicians.

IMHO ALL physicians, regardless of specialty or future practice environment benefit from research. If you are so inclined and intend on an academic practice then it makes sense to spend 2 or more years in the lab doing original work and publishing it. If however, you are destined for private practice you would still be wise to spend some time doing research - whether its preparing a case study for publication or just learning the ABCs of Research and Experimental Design and how to read a journal article. Believe me, most residents and attendings are not capable of dissecting journal articles or even press written for the layperson. If your undergraduate education was the norm, I'll bet you spent little time REALLY learning how to do his.

I understand that most people do not enjoy research and outside of the obvious enjoyment of the lab years/months (whatever) of mroe time to sleep, less time/no time on call, more time to exercise (our lab residents look totally buffed!), spent with family, etc., the requirement is NOT designed at most programs to make you an academic physician but rather to learn to use a critical eye when evaluating the tons of literature/lectures, etc. you will be bombarded with for the rest of your career.

At any rate, the requirement will vary from program to program - a good residency program will let you tailor your research requirements to your needs. You should be allowed to pursue clinic work if that's what you prefer rather than bench studies. Some do require publication, others do not.

So...stepping off my soapbox now...
 
Thanks for your input, guys. I appreciate it.
 
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