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Do many students in med school typically perform research? Is wanting to do research during med school something that one should emphasize if applying to MD-only programs? Would adcoms and interviewers not question why the applicant didnt apply to MD-PHD programs or ones with more emphasis on research?
 
I don't understand your second sentence, but I am in a related position of wanting to do research but applying as an MD. Simply put, medical school gives you the knowledge you need to engage in professions intimately related to the human body, whether it be healthcare or research. It is perfectly acceptable to want to do research as an MD; not everyone goes the healthcare way. The only thing is, you need to clarify in your statement as to why an MD would serve here instead of a PhD.
 
do many students in med school typically perform research? is wanting to do research something that one should emphasize if applying to MD-only programs if one has an interest, would adcoms and interviewers not question why the applicant didnt apply to MD-PHD programs or ones with more emphasis on research?

Many med students do some research, if only during the summer between first and second year. Research is an important credential when applying for some of the more competitive specialties. There is nothing wrong with asking in an interview about research opportunities if you are MD-only or expressing an interest in doing some research while in med school. However if you plan to have a career involving predominantly research, then yes, you probably are going to have to explain why you are MD only.
 
It is perfectly acceptable to want to do research as an MD; not everyone goes the healthcare way.

I agree with you in principle, but not in terms of admissions. Schools generally have an express mission to train clinicians for a statewide/national need. So the school is geared toward this, and they tend to try and limit those who have no intention of practicing to the handful of folks they let into their PhD joint programs. Once you are in, you can pick a road to follow. But if you go into an interview (generally with a clinician) and indicate that you want to go to med school but have no intention of practicing with patients, you are SOL. Med school admissions are targeted to dump a certain number of students in 4 years into residencies, which theoretically in turn are targeted in specialty, number and location to serve the public need. If folks start going to med school with no intention of practicing, it screws things up, so this is always going to be a wrong answer (unless you are in a joint PhD program and the school isn't counting you in their MD track numbers).
 
I am one of those people who wants to do research and practive with patients. I have thought about the whole "Why not PhD?" And one of the biggest reasons I have is that I need and want patient contact, but I also want to do research in hopes that it will contribute to finding new cures or treatments.
 
I am one of those people who wants to do research and practive with patients. I have thought about the whole "Why not PhD?" And one of the biggest reasons I have is that I need and want patient contact, but I also want to do research in hopes that it will contribute to finding new cures or treatments.

Are you applying MD/PhD? If not, then why not?
 
I am one of those people who wants to do research and practive with patients. I have thought about the whole "Why not PhD?" And one of the biggest reasons I have is that I need and want patient contact, but I also want to do research in hopes that it will contribute to finding new cures or treatments.

Heh... I'd be careful with that answer. MDs with PhDs do happen quite a lot, and they do practice with quite a bit of patient contact. In many cases, those physicians end up as the heads of departments/schools/hospitals, so be aware of that. Remember that almost all the people who will teach courses at major medical schools will have PhDs, and research brings in a lot of good money that helps to fund those schools.

So there are a few more questions you might want to answer:
1. Do you see yourself in primary care? Particularly as a PCP in a small clinic/serving underserved communities, where research opportunities might not be available?
2. MD/PhD tends to mean academic medical environments for your life. Do you perhaps not see yourself in those situations?
3. Perhaps you enjoy the patient-facing side of clinical research, and feel that you'd rather be supporting research that way, rather than leading it intellectually, which might be less patient-centric? In which case, do you see your MD training as being sufficient for that task? Distinguish what you like and dislike, and then do some checking to make sure that you understand what those careers entail.

The 'Why not a PhD?' question is a really hard one, especially if you make research a part of your application. Perhaps you actually ought to do a PhD, and the amount of time that it would take is intimidating... Still you should think hard about it. A PhD can open a lot of doors, and it really does put you in a position to be part of the process of driving medicine forward. The things that you learn during a PhD, the methodologies, the mechanisms of dealing with collaborators and systems can enable a lot of positive developments in your future career. If research does excite you, think very seriously about a PhD. It's long, it's tough, but so is an MD path. It can also allow you to not just practice medicine and make a short-term difference in the lives of single patients, but to contribute to a sustained change in the lives of patients worldwide, for generations.

The flip-side, of course, is that people often do research to bulk up their applications. "Hey! Look at me... I've done some research, so I'm a more valuable applicant, so you should choose me!"

The 'Why not a PhD?' question in that situation goads the applicant, asking that they follow up on that promise or admit that they were just doing the research to look better - you're caught on the edge of telling the admissions committee that you did research in your past only to impress them and try and improve your chances. Lots of people do that, and they know it, which is why the question is so hard; it challenges you to incriminate yourself.

Have a long think about what you want your career to be. If you don't see yourself in academia, that's fine. If you can't face the extra time, that's okay too (but be prepared for the follow-up 'But an MD isn't too long?'). If you saw what a research lifestyle was like and it didn't quite appeal to you, that's okay too.

But if you really enjoyed research, and you are passionate about it, the 'Why not a PhD?' question is serious, and you should consider it. If being part of the future of medical development is important to you, suck it up and try for the PhD - the world could do with more people who care deeply about doing it.

Meanwhile, at least you aren't answering the question 'So... you've got a PhD in X, why switch to medicine?' 😀
 
I am one of those people who wants to do research and practive with patients. I have thought about the whole "Why not PhD?" And one of the biggest reasons I have is that I need and want patient contact, but I also want to do research in hopes that it will contribute to finding new cures or treatments.
Check out the Physician Scientist forum. You can see MDs, MD/MS, and MD/PhDs talk about why they chose their path.
 
I am one of those people who wants to do research and practive with patients. I have thought about the whole "Why not PhD?" And one of the biggest reasons I have is that I need and want patient contact, but I also want to do research in hopes that it will contribute to finding new cures or treatments.

wow. i've found my twin (separated at birth).
 
Do many students in med school typically perform research? Is wanting to do research during med school something that one should emphasize if applying to MD-only programs? Would adcoms and interviewers not question why the applicant didnt apply to MD-PHD programs or ones with more emphasis on research?
Well, if you do want to do research, probably you are applying to med schools that emphasize research, right? So it shouldn't be a problem to talk about it. I think if you want to do clinical research at a school that offers it, then you definitely want to tell adcomm that. But if you're looking to do basic science stuff, then they probably will ask you why you aren't getting a PhD because you don't need an MD to do basic science. That's a tough question to answer because it's a lot cheaper to become a PhD if you want to do bench work and the PhD training is probably more appropriate for that kind of research anyway. But in answer to your other question, yeah, a lot of med students do research, and it's totally possible. There are other options besides MD/PhD like MD/MS or just a research MD. My program is a five-year research MD with a required research year. If you're interested, here's the webpage: http://www.clevelandclinic.org/cclcm/
 
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