Residency Abroad

[BigDentoncAMPus]

Can you complete a dental residency abroad? I am talking about a GPR or AEGD. I realize that for a specialist residency they must be certified and all but after a AEGD or GPR you are still certified as a general dentist in the US. I can see how this may be a stupid question but it might be nice to live in the UK or Australia for a year or two while I get more advanced experience and then come back to practice in the States. Some programs may even let you get your hands a little more dirty? These programs may not even exist; I really don't know, but just wondering. If anyone has any information on something like this or how that would work out please let me know.

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[armorshell]

It seems like every year or so, there's a GPR in Lausanne, Switzerland that someone from Pacific ends up at. So to answer your question, yes.

 

[gundam]

It seems like every year or so, there's a GPR in Lausanne, Switzerland that someone from Pacific ends up at. So to answer your question, yes.

Do they pay?

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Can you complete a dental residency abroad? I am talking about a GPR or AEGD. I realize that for a specialist residency they must be certified and all but after a AEGD or GPR you are still certified as a general dentist in the US. I can see how this may be a stupid question but it might be nice to live in the UK or Australia for a year or two while I get more advanced experience and then come back to practice in the States. Some programs may even let you get your hands a little more dirty? These programs may not even exist; I really don't know, but just wondering. If anyone has any information on something like this or how that would work out please let me know.

Speaking for Australia.. there are a few specialty programs that accept international students. What in particular were you interested in applying for? ... if you can give me more information maybe I can help you further.

 

[BigDentoncAMPus]

Right now I am just considering my options and seeing what's out there. Mostly looking to see if there are any AEGD/GPR type of programs abroad that would accept a U.S. Dentist. It would be similar to a "study abroad" type of experience someone may do in undergrad since I've never done that. Eventually I'd like to move back here to practice so I'm looking for programs that provide a more in depth general dentistry experience than one would get in dental school, basically something similar to an american GPR where once i come back I can practice general dentistry or apply to a specialty residency afterwards. I'd like to find a program that teaches a lot of the fundementals of each specialty. I wouldn't know where to begin looking for something like this. I also want to make sure that there are no regulations against doing something like this; I doubt there are. Thanks all.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Right now I am just considering my options and seeing what's out there. Mostly looking to see if there are any AEGD/GPR type of programs abroad that would accept a U.S. Dentist. It would be similar to a "study abroad" type of experience someone may do in undergrad since I've never done that. Eventually I'd like to move back here to practice so I'm looking for programs that provide a more in depth general dentistry experience than one would get in dental school, basically something similar to an american GPR where once i come back I can practice general dentistry or apply to a specialty residency afterwards. I'd like to find a program that teaches a lot of the fundementals of each specialty. I wouldn't know where to begin looking for something like this. I also want to make sure that there are no regulations against doing something like this; I doubt there are. Thanks all.

Yep.. there are 1-year general dental residency programs availabile in Australia. Interested in coming to Melbourne or Sydney? PM me and I'll give you more info.

 

[Amazonie]

Yep.. there are 1-year general dental residency programs availabile in Australia. Interested in coming to Melbourne or Sydney? PM me and I'll give you more info.

hello Sir do u hv any idea about a paid residency prog being offered in facmax prosthetics in uic for international dentists?? kindly reply if u hv any info regardn it... thx

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

hello Sir do u hv any idea about a paid residency prog being offered in facmax prosthetics in uic for international dentists?? kindly reply if u hv any info regardn it... thx

I'm based in Australia.. sorry. If you want info about the maxillofacial prosthetics course in Chicago at UIC.. why don't you simply email the University yourself? I'm sure they would be happy to provide you with whatever info you want. Good luck.

 

[Opecm]

Dr Millisevert- Do you know of any Australian oral surgery programs that accept US trained dentists? My dream is to train internationally and then return to the US. But, who knows, I may end up staying abroad.....

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Dr Millisevert- Do you know of any Australian oral surgery programs that accept US trained dentists? My dream is to train internationally and then return to the US. But, who knows, I may end up staying abroad.....

In order to be recognized as an omfs in australia (as of 1997).. You must complete both a dental and medical degree (all current Australian oms programs are dual degree). In order to be eligible to even apply to any if the local maxfacs training positions you must first have an Austalian state dental license. In order to obtain an Aus license you can either sit through and pass the multistage ADC exams (the ADC is the Australian dental council.. They accredit all Australian dental schools.. Basically our equivalent to CODA in the USA). If you pass their exams they will grant you a certificate that states your qualifications are equivalent to Austalian standards. Alternativly you could apply for an advanced standing position in an Australian dental school. (Adelaide university I know has a program like this for foreign trained dentists).

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Dr Millisevert- Do you know of any Australian oral surgery programs that accept US trained dentists? My dream is to train internationally and then return to the US. But, who knows, I may end up staying abroad.....

Alternativly you could complete an American oms program and afterwards apply to an Australian program for a 1-2 year fellowship (eg. Head&neck, craniofacial, etc.)

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Right now I am just considering my options and seeing what's out there. Mostly looking to see if there are any AEGD/GPR type of programs abroad that would accept a U.S. dentist.

In Sydney you can undertake either a diploma or certificate program at the Unversity of Sydney's Faculty of Dentistry. The Grad Cert in Restorative dentistry(http://www.usyd.edu.au/courses/?det...icate_in_Clinical_Dentistry__Restorative__260) or Grad Diploma (http://www.usyd.edu.au/courses/?det..._Clinical_Dentistry__Hospital_Dentistry__1168) are mainly dental school based and focus on more advanced restorative and pros (similar to an AEGD). You could also do the Grad Cert in Hospital dentistry (http://www.usyd.edu.au/courses/?det..._Clinical_Dentistry__Hospital_Dentistry__1173) (this is more similar to a GPR). Both of the University based programs you will have to pay a tuition fee for... but I'm pretty sure they are open to accepting international student applications if you're interested (and these university based programs won't require that you have an active state license). There are other general residency programs in Australia that are similar to GPR positions that are purely hospital based and for which you normally recieve a salary (50-70k/yr)... however, for these you must already hold an Australian state dental license. If you wanted to get into a University based program like the USyd Fac Dentistry ones I've just listed you should have no problems if you wanted to pay the tuition fees. If you wanted to obtain an Australian dental license first and apply for one of the hospital based "dental officer" positions (eg. paid GPR-like training positions) then you should contact the Australian dental council for further information about having your dental qualifications recognized as equivalent... or alternativly you can enrol in an Australian dental school with advance standing and graduate with a local dental degree.

 

[GRAYS]

Hello Dr. I've been reading your messages and I'm just wondering if there are facilities there that would accept international dentists for internship without getting the dental boards? I'm currently residing in the USA and planning on taking the boards but would like to go to AU first for internship programs, please advice. Thanks in advance.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Hello Dr. I've been reading your messages and I'm just wondering if there are facilities there that would accept international dentists for internship without getting the dental boards? I'm currently residing in the USA and planning on taking the boards but would like to go to AU first for internship programs, please advice. Thanks in advance.

US dental boards are ... Just that. US exams.

Postgrad programs in Canada, Australia, UK.. Or anywhere else in the world does not require them.

 

[BlueToothHunter]

Can you complete a dental residency abroad? I am talking about a GPR or AEGD. I realize that for a specialist residency they must be certified and all but after a AEGD or GPR you are still certified as a general dentist in the US. I can see how this may be a stupid question but it might be nice to live in the UK or Australia for a year or two while I get more advanced experience and then come back to practice in the States. Some programs may even let you get your hands a little more dirty? These programs may not even exist; I really don't know, but just wondering. If anyone has any information on something like this or how that would work out please let me know.

Yes, you can complete a Junior or Senior House Officer positions in OMS in the UK. But it won't be recognized as an ADA-accredited program when you are back in the US.

Also, you would need to have completed a POSTGRADUATE entrance examination (similar to what ADA is trying to do starting in 2012) called Membership Examination in one of the Royal Colleges of Surgeons in the UK, Scotland or Ireland. It used to be called FDSRCS, then it changed to MFDS and now I don't know what it is called anymore.

FDSRCS or MFDS are not actual degrees but most people place them after their names. They look pretty cool, don't they? This is the way you can start to collect the alphabet soup after your name.

 

[ljoudeh]

can any one know how to apply to this residency program in australia i am an australian citizin who is in the meanwhile studting dentistry overseas and after the graduation i attempt to go back to australia
does any one know any info about the program rules and conditions??
and does all australins cities offer these programs(sydney.melborne,brisbane,new castle)
and which is better the gdr or grad dip clin dent

 

[drhr]

hi
i have recently done bds from paksitan
i would like to do specialization from australia in dentistry(ortho or surgery) which is paid.....
i hav come to know that v have to pass adc exams then v r eligible for applyng.my main cncern is is there any "chance" that v will get postgraduate residency after adc exam?????

plz can anybdy guide me the what are their admission requirements in these uni/hospitals?????also links would be helpful

thanks

 

[setdoc7]

Although I can see the interest in studying abroad, doing a GPR or AEGD for one year would be expensive as far as a move and visa, and since it would most likely be a non ADA accredited residency, would not count toward licensure in states where completion of a residency is a requirement for licensure (NY for example).

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

can any one know how to apply to this residency program in australia i am an australian citizin who is in the meanwhile studting dentistry overseas and after the graduation i attempt to go back to australia
does any one know any info about the program rules and conditions??
and does all australins cities offer these programs(sydney.melborne,brisbane,new castle)
and which is better the gdr or grad dip clin dent

Either one is fine. Most of the dental schools have these types of programs. Newcastle doesn't have one. Newcastle only has a hygiene program so its not really a dental school.

I would look into the following dental schools:

Sydney University, Melbourne University, Adelaide University, University of Western Australia, and Queensland University.

The newer schools like JCU, CSU, etc. ..at the moment only offer dental degrees and don't yet have postgraduate/specialty programs.

If you are interested in doing Advanced education in General Dentistry and not specializing.. then you should be asking the University about doing either a Graduate Certificate or Graduate Diploma in General dentistry.

You should be aware that if you completed your dental degree outside of Australia... completing one of these programs will not entitle you to be licensed to work in Australia after graduation. If that is what you are after, then you should also contact the Australian Dental Council and apply to have your dental qualifications evaluated. You will have to sit the ADC exams (foreign dental exams) and obtain your "certification of equivalency" from the ADC (aka "ADC Cert") in order to obtain a license from the Australian Dental Board. This is similar to obtaining an "AMC Cert" (for doctors looking to practice in Australia) or "ECMFG Cert" (for doctors looking to practice in North America).

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

hi
i have recently done bds from paksitan
i would like to do specialization from australia in dentistry(ortho or surgery) which is paid.....
i hav come to know that v have to pass adc exams then v r eligible for applyng.my main cncern is is there any "chance" that v will get postgraduate residency after adc exam?????

plz can anybdy guide me the what are their admission requirements in these uni/hospitals?????also links would be helpful

thanks

As far as I'm aware.. you don't need an ADC Cert first in order to apply and complete a postgraduate dental specialty program in Australia. However, if your goal is to work in Australia after graduating... you will be required to have obtained your ADC Cert from the ADC before the Australian Dental Board will grant you a license to practice. I'm assuming you would be able to study for and sit the ADC exams simultaneously as completing your specialty training.. but you will be busy.

Good luck

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Although I can see the interest in studying abroad, doing a GPR or AEGD for one year would be expensive as far as a move and visa, and since it would most likely be a non ADA accredited residency, would not count toward licensure in states where completion of a residency is a requirement for licensure (NY for example).

Very true.. and that is a good point.

1. Canada and Australia hold a reciprocal accreditation agreement (btw ADC and CDAC)

2. Canada and the USA hold a reciprocal accreditation agreement (btw CODA and CDAC)

However.. the US and Australia still don't recognize each others dental degrees and training.

This may change in the future.. maybe not. Who knows. If someone is really interested in having an Australian, UK, or otherwise postgrad year of training accepted as their state requirement for a license.. they would of course need to contact the US state dental board in which they seek a license and write them a letter detailing what they aim to do and include a syllabus of the proposed training year including contact hours (clincal/research) and subject areas covered. They could always say no.. but it can't hurt to ask if that's what you would like to do.

... Many faculty/heads of departments know each others counterparts in other countries and have connections. If it were possible.. it might also be helpful if you were able to have your local Head of Dept (for example.. if you were trying to convince the NY State Dental Board that doing a year overseas should contribute to your required PGY1-2 year. Then you might try to get the head of AEGD at NYU/Columbia (or someone similar) sign off on the syllabus for a house officer year in London or a GradDipClinDent program in Sydney... stating that he/she felt they were comparable/equivalent) and then submit this to the State Dental Board.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Here are some links which might be helpful

GradCertClinDent course (aka AEGD) for overseas dentists.

http://www.mccp.unimelb.edu.au/courses/specialisations/clinical_dentistry

This is a postgraduate degree issued by the University which you can then list after your name if you wish.
For example if Someone from the US completed the program their business cards might read:
Dr. John Smith DMD (Harvard) ,GradCertClinDent (Melb), FACD, FRACDS

Application to ADC to be assessed as "equivalent to an Australian graduate"
This is required for anyone seeking to work in private practice unrestricted in Australia.

http://www.dentalcouncil.net.au/ADC Assessment Application.pdf

 

[yunowu]

Thank you, Dr.Millisevert, Your input is certainly appreciated. I am looking forward to enjoy my retirement years at Australia. This is of course If I am able to complete Sydney's Doctor of Clinical Dentistry Program.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Thank you, Dr.Millisevert, Your input is certainly appreciated. I am looking forward to enjoy my retirement years at Australia. This is of course If I am able to complete Sydney's Doctor of Clinical Dentistry Program.

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[yunowu]

Hey thanks for the reminder !! LOL..Just recently returned from Osaka, Japan !! I signed a real estate contract to purchase a local commercial property. This is the first time in my life that I had to sign a contract with a "geiger counter" near by !!

Tokyo firms eye moving to Osaka
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20110319a3.html

Just received the word from U of Sydney. They are processing my application now. Hopefully I will receive their acceptance letter soon.. I always welcome your input of course. If the decision comes down to U of Sydney (paediatric dentistry) or U of melbourne (Special Need Dentistry), you might have to weigh in to help me out !!

 

[Happytooth777]

Hi,

I read your post at Student Doctoral Website. I am very interested in the GPR (General practice Dentistry) program in Lausanne, Swiss. I would appreciate if you could share/e-mail me any info regarding to this program. Thank you in advance.

Kind regards,
Julie

 

[Mstoothlady2012]

Very true.. and that is a good point.

1. Canada and Australia hold a reciprocal accreditation agreement (btw ADC and CDAC)

2. Canada and the USA hold a reciprocal accreditation agreement (btw CODA and CDAC)

However.. the US and Australia still don't recognize each others dental degrees and training.

This may change in the future.. maybe not. Who knows. If someone is really interested in having an Australian, UK, or otherwise postgrad year of training accepted as their state requirement for a license.. they would of course need to contact the US state dental board in which they seek a license and write them a letter detailing what they aim to do and include a syllabus of the proposed training year including contact hours (clincal/research) and subject areas covered. They could always say no.. but it can't hurt to ask if that's what you would like to do.

... Many faculty/heads of departments know each others counterparts in other countries and have connections. If it were possible.. it might also be helpful if you were able to have your local Head of Dept (for example.. if you were trying to convince the NY State Dental Board that doing a year overseas should contribute to your required PGY1-2 year. Then you might try to get the head of AEGD at NYU/Columbia (or someone similar) sign off on the syllabus for a house officer year in London or a GradDipClinDent program in Sydney... stating that he/she felt they were comparable/equivalent) and then submit this to the State Dental Board.

Hi Dr. Millisevert,

Is it true though that NZ recognizes qualifications from ADA accredited dental schools in USA and that if you are licensed in NZ then you can practice in Australia? I was planning on taking that route so I can avoid taking boards in AUS. Any thoughts?

Thanks!

 

[BlueToothHunter]

You will probably get most up to date info from the folks at the Dental Council of NZ and the Dental Board of Australia. I looked into it a couple years ago, not sure what it is like now. You could give us the latest info.