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Anyone has an idea what is going on there? I have been invited for an interview but heard some bad stuff. First, they had a very poor RRC visit and they may be put on probation. I guess they will about it at the end of this month (if its good). Second, the residency director (Dr Schwartz) is going over SDN and all other postings on the WWW and reads in Grand Rounds what was said about the program!! The residents are told to "be very careful" with what they post as they "are being watched" and that DR Schwartz knows all the users names.... When they complained to the Yale's house staff office they were all called to a meeting and told "to behave". Not nice :scared:
 
Had 2 friends who finished there last year-they were happy to be done; Attendings (except for big name folks) are paid peanuts from what this resident told me (thus, may not attract best folks to teach). Apparently, faculty salary is in bottom 20% compared to other academic programs in the country.
 
I heard they had a whole bunch of J-1 visa foreign attendings who are paid allmost nothing and in return they get a green card. Most of them are about to leave. I also heard their chair is finishing her 3 years appointment and she may not be renewed by the Dean.....
 
Heard the same thing re: attendings there, ETT. bottom line in any setting: Until the faculty rise up and say no, the BS continues....
 
I am now a CA-3 at Yale. As I've said many times before I am extremely happy to be here. Please refer to this thread for my comments (which I'm not going to repeat) and others:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=6226344#post6226344

Out of my current CA-3 class many of us are doing fellowships. Pain at Rush, pain at UCSF, 3 doing pedi at CHOP, pedi at Columbia, regional at Virginia Mason, and 2 are staying at Yale for cardiac. The ones going into PP are just starting to interview, but in the past grads have gotten whatever jobs they've wanted all over the country.

I haven't heard about attendings leaving, and have no clue what salaries are. As for the PD briefly (30 seconds at the beginning) mentioning webposts at grand rounds this is true. To me it shows that he cares deeply about the reputation of the program. Like myself, he doesn't want it to be smeared on the internet with false statements.

Not sure what this "applicant's" (and this is their first post, imagine that...) motives are.

And as for DreamMachine, thank you for editing your post. That statement was extremely uncalled for. I would like the mod's to close the thread if there are any more personal attacks on the program director.

As always, I welcome all PM's with questions about Yale.
 
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well, it IS interview season so just about everything should be taken with a grain of salt and put into context of the time of year - plus, OP with only one post as mentioned above makes it seem a bit shady.
 
I am currently a CA-2 at Yale. I think our residency, residents, and attendings, are fantastic. I could not be happier to be at this program. Since day 1 of residency, I have had nothing but great cases and experiences with attendings and residents, both in and out of the hospital.

First and foremost, this is my training, and in that respect, Yale is second to none. I have done plenty of very large cases, using varied and new techniques, with the sickest patients in the state. We have so many attendings.....(Barash, Rosenblatt, Hines, Marschall, Ehrenworth, Ruskin, Rosenbaum, Sinatra, Braveman, Perrino, Rafferty, the list goes on....) who literally wrote the textbooks, still practice, but more importantly, still teach us and still are active in teaching themselves and staying up on the latest advances. I was just at the ASA and Yale had more people presenting (basically everyone above and at least ten more, just attendings, not to mention residents), in the press (google "Bondoc"), people giving refresher courses, PBLDs, etc, than I would have imagined. We were visible everywhere. So research is excellent and abundant. Every department here is excellent.....peds, cardiac, pain, thoracic, OB, neuro......with the exception of regional, with that being totally reworked in this past year, where residents now feel much better from what I hear. so as you can see, I like it.

And, like Don said above, look at the list of fellowships our ca-3's matched into. I would guess any program in the country strives to have a list like this, so i dont need to comment on that any more.

None of our residents "directly complained" (as the original poster suggested) to the residency house staff office from what I understand (and I sat on the RRC committee). And whenever I, or my coresidents, have had a problem, no matter how big or small, Dr Schwartz, Hines, and anyone else, come running and try their best to fix it. Granted, if faculty salaries are not high enough (I truly have no clue), I would assume that has nothing to do with the residency, people come to Yale because it is Yale.....I understand most people reading this might say its New Haven, why would people come there.....but that is how academics work, Yale looks good for anyone, even Dr Barash!

I am firmly one to believe that this is residency, and we should be working hard, seeing cases, etc, and yet the department is trying harder than ever, and suceeding, in hiring so many CRNA's, just so that we have even more time to read, even more time to just do beneficial cases. They were able to give me basically the whole week for the ASA, without a problem. Granted to be honest, we need to be here because we have so many big cases and CRNA's arent really allowed to do any big cases here (which they are at other programs), but I think that is a good thing, not just for residents and education, but for our profession.

Lastly, and equally as important as anything above, I have so much fun here. I love most of the attendings (dont get me wrong, like anywhere else, there are attendings I dont love, but that is not the nature of the program or anesthesia, that is human nature). I have such a good time with my coresidents, and already have great memories of this place.

So, we have a phenomenal clinical experience, excellent research opportunity, great teachers, good friends, supportive leaders, and get whatever fellowships or jobs we want. So to the original poster, if you have heard these things you mention, they are untrue. IF you have alterior motives and want to come to Yale, you are just doing yourself a disservice. And also, you mention the PD Dr Schwartz knows all of our posting names on this.....this is my first post, so this is untrue. I always look on this board, but never post, but think this program is a must see for anyone and have no doubts I have made the right decision coming here.

Feel free to send me a message, but come here and interview and see for yourself. Because you are all smart enough to get to the end of medical school, so the best advice i can give you is......dont take anyones advice too seriously. i love it here, but thats just me.
 
I am a resident at Yale. For what it's worth, I love my job. Seriously.
Not too many residents can say that at most places, but I don't think it's uncommon to hear that at Yale. The PD and Chair are very good. Great clinical training. Great research opportunities. Fun city life. Very affordable and livable neighborhoods just a few minutes away. Looking forward to meeting some of you at interviews.
 
I guess the only question than is why Yale did not fill in the match last year...Also, why don't you ask Dr. Fisher the head of Yale's house staff if she heard complaints or not? and if the response of the dept was to tell the residents to be "careful' rather than addressing the issue.
 
To ETT911,
actually there are many questions.
where will you get great training?
where will you find a very responsive and caring PD?
on which threads will you find ETT911 repeatedly trashing Yale with misinformation? ETT911, why are you so invested in this trash talk?

i've been here for 3 years - it's a great program - with a dynamic and growing hospital. liver transplant is now leading in new england. just got a huge recruit from columbia in ventricular assist device management. just opened an entirely new cancer hospital headed by a huge recruit from mgh.
it's a happening place that is only getting better. a very good horse to hitch your wagon to. and with all this, the attendings are still so down to earth and caring. barash is not in an ivory tower somewhere. at this program, he's holding cricoid pressure for you. rafferty and perrino, the gods of echo are giving you the lecture before they travel across the country and sell tickets to the same lecture. rosenblatt's the same with his airway workshop. a full pedi hospital is down the hall not across the city somewhere.
 
the clinical experience at CCF is second to none.
I will second that the clinical experiance is second to none. Could things be better yes, this statement could be made about 99% of programs. What it appears to me is someone has a grudge with Yale, last year it was CCF, the year before it was Miami. These things come around every year. Do we have top residents here YES, do we have residents who are average yes. But I can say without a doubt I will be clinically and academically competent when I leave this place.
 
Narc -

...I'm partial to the greatness of Pittsburgh's program, but we can agree to disagree 😉

Nice to see you posting again.

dc
 
I am starting to get annoyed by all these "my clinical experience at XX is second to none" nonsense.

Unless you do 6 month of each of the following: liver, hearts, OB, peds, Neuro, CC, and Regional, at your program, your training is probably not much better than average anesthesia residents getting from their programs.
 
Unless you do 6 month of each of the following: liver, hearts, OB, peds, Neuro, CC, and Regional, at your program, your training is probably not much better than average anesthesia residents getting from their programs.

That would mean 3.5 years dedicated to what you just listed in addition to general anesthesia, pain, etc that you need to graduate. NO program would ever qualify as better than average with your listed criteria.
 
To the OP - if you received an interview, then why not just go on it and clarify some of the issues you have heard of. Seeing is believing

ETT911 has about 8-9 posts and all of them are critical of Yale's program. Either this is a student desiring to go there or he/she has some grudge against the program.
 
I haven't looked at this forum in a while. Boy, this is a tough crowd .
It's clear to me that ETT911 has some partial information about this program(incomplete at best), most of which he seems to deliberately distort; I'm not sure what your reasons are, clearly you have some problems with this place.
I am a CA3 here at Yale and honestly I am sort of shocked to see what people can say about one program or another.
Few questions to ask yourself are "What do I want from a residency program? What are my standards? What does malignant mean? What is a good program? What do you want the program to do for you? Why are programs judged by the number of FMGs?" Do you actually think for a second that the mere fact that you are an AMG makes you better than an FMG? Think again.
I think when you apply for residency you need to grow up a little. Realize that you are about to start training in what you're going to do as a specialist.
Training at Yale is outstanding; I haven't trained for anesthesia anywhere else, so I cannot compare, but I can't possibly imagine what is that one can get better in terms of clinical exposure and training.Moreover, I don't think that any program can do for you what you cannot do for yourself.
I lost track of the number of major cases I did here; here you start doing livere transplants in the second part of your CA1 year. By the way, there are 3 adult and 2 pedi anesthesia attendings that do Liver transplants(not sure where you get your sources ETT911, but they are incomplete at best). You can do heart transplant whenever one comes, and let me assure you, there is no shortage of cases here; in fact, my feeling is that not all residents want to do these cases, because they are indeed challenging and can be pretty long. The only transplant that Yale does not do is Lung transplant; those cases are rarely handled by residents anyway, at most programs the cardiac fellows do it.
Thoracic and vascular cases are plently. Yale gets refferals from all over the country for Aortic surgery.
Our attendings? What can I tell you, most of them are walking encyclopedias. When you are in the OR with them you are actually talking to the people who wrote the book and created the standard on the topic.
During our 3rd year we have mock oral series weekly, where each CA3 is given an oral exam in front of his class. To remind everyone , there are 5 actual oral board examiners in our program, and they create these scenarios. In January we start the written board preparation series. The program makes sure that all their residents are prepared to pass the boards.
Simulator? Yes we have one, and there is a simulator series class once a month.
What else? Number of hours- between 60 and 70 in your first year, and less in subsequent years. I average 56-66 hours in my 3rd year.
For sure this is not the program where you will leave at 3pm everyday, so if that's what you're looking for you this is not the place. But I can tell you how it works with the relief: the first call comes in at 4pm everyday and starts assigning either CRNAs or call residents to relieve the noncall residents. The program director asks for emails with specific explanations of all the cases when a resident who is not on call stays in the OR after 6pm, or fi the noncall resident started a new case at or after 4pm.

I am sure there are other nice programs outthere, and if you are interviewing, you have to go see these places for yourself.
Do not decide not to go to Yale because of what ETT911 says on this forum. I see there are quite a few people who replied to these bad comments, and all of them recognized that they are residents at Yale. It says a lot I think, when so many residents are defending theyir program without having to do it, in anonymity.
Come and check out the program and decide for yourself.
Good luck.
 
I'm also a resident at Yale and will echo some of the sentiments expressed by the others in the program. There is fantastic exposure to big cases, there is a great deal of camraderie among the residents, well known and approachable attendings, and opportunities to get involved with book chapters, articles, research etc. I would come here again.
 
oh and the OP posted that this program may be put on probration.........we just got a 4 yr accreditation, which doesnt surprise anyone that actually knows the program. thanks! look forward to meeting all the applicants!
 
I am currently a CA-2 at Yale. I think our residency, residents, and attendings, are fantastic. I could not be happier to be at this program. Since day 1 of residency, I have had nothing but great cases and experiences with attendings and residents, both in and out of the hospital.

First and foremost, this is my training, and in that respect, Yale is second to none. I have done plenty of very large cases, using varied and new techniques, with the sickest patients in the state. We have so many attendings.....(Barash, Rosenblatt, Hines, Marschall, Ehrenworth, Ruskin, Rosenbaum, Sinatra, Braveman, Perrino, Rafferty, the list goes on....) who literally wrote the textbooks, still practice, but more importantly, still teach us and still are active in teaching themselves and staying up on the latest advances. I was just at the ASA and Yale had more people presenting (basically everyone above and at least ten more, just attendings, not to mention residents), in the press (google "Bondoc"), people giving refresher courses, PBLDs, etc, than I would have imagined. We were visible everywhere. So research is excellent and abundant. Every department here is excellent.....peds, cardiac, pain, thoracic, OB, neuro......with the exception of regional, with that being totally reworked in this past year, where residents now feel much better from what I hear. so as you can see, I like it.

And, like Don said above, look at the list of fellowships our ca-3's matched into. I would guess any program in the country strives to have a list like this, so i dont need to comment on that any more.

None of our residents "directly complained" (as the original poster suggested) to the residency house staff office from what I understand (and I sat on the RRC committee). And whenever I, or my coresidents, have had a problem, no matter how big or small, Dr Schwartz, Hines, and anyone else, come running and try their best to fix it. Granted, if faculty salaries are not high enough (I truly have no clue), I would assume that has nothing to do with the residency, people come to Yale because it is Yale.....I understand most people reading this might say its New Haven, why would people come there.....but that is how academics work, Yale looks good for anyone, even Dr Barash!

I am firmly one to believe that this is residency, and we should be working hard, seeing cases, etc, and yet the department is trying harder than ever, and suceeding, in hiring so many CRNA's, just so that we have even more time to read, even more time to just do beneficial cases. They were able to give me basically the whole week for the ASA, without a problem. Granted to be honest, we need to be here because we have so many big cases and CRNA's arent really allowed to do any big cases here (which they are at other programs), but I think that is a good thing, not just for residents and education, but for our profession.

Lastly, and equally as important as anything above, I have so much fun here. I love most of the attendings (dont get me wrong, like anywhere else, there are attendings I dont love, but that is not the nature of the program or anesthesia, that is human nature). I have such a good time with my coresidents, and already have great memories of this place.

So, we have a phenomenal clinical experience, excellent research opportunity, great teachers, good friends, supportive leaders, and get whatever fellowships or jobs we want. So to the original poster, if you have heard these things you mention, they are untrue. IF you have alterior motives and want to come to Yale, you are just doing yourself a disservice. And also, you mention the PD Dr Schwartz knows all of our posting names on this.....this is my first post, so this is untrue. I always look on this board, but never post, but think this program is a must see for anyone and have no doubts I have made the right decision coming here.

Feel free to send me a message, but come here and interview and see for yourself. Because you are all smart enough to get to the end of medical school, so the best advice i can give you is......dont take anyones advice too seriously. i love it here, but thats just me.
Well, I have a fellow Cornell classmate there now and I think she is great. She was great on the floors at Cornell. I bet the program is amazing.
 
Well, I have a fellow Cornell classmate there now and I think she is great. She was great on the floors at Cornell. I bet the program is amazing.

Based purely on your relationship with one former classmate? I interviewed at Yale last month and I thought that it was a solid program, but "Amazing" wasn't a descriptor that came to mind.
 
My n=1. Our group hired a recent Yale grad last year. We could not let go of this person soon enough. In the short stay with us became legendary amongst surgeons, nurses, and anesthesiologists for just how bad this person was. Nice personality but just scary bad. The stories live on today. One by one the surgeons would come to us and communicate they did not want this person to take care of their pts. And that is pretty much the death sentence in private practice. Obviously this does not reflect the overall quality of the program but the point is for the vast majority of programs out there, you determine the quality of your training, not the program. Name can only take you so far, if you suck, the word will get around quickly.
 
My n=1. Our group hired a recent Yale grad last year. We could not let go of this person soon enough. In the short stay with us became legendary amongst surgeons, nurses, and anesthesiologists for just how bad this person was. Nice personality but just scary bad. The stories live on today. One by one the surgeons would come to us and communicate they did not want this person to take care of their pts. And that is pretty much the death sentence in private practice. Obviously this does not reflect the overall quality of the program but the point is for the vast majority of programs out there, you determine the quality of your training, not the program. Name can only take you so far, if you suck, the word will get around quickly.

Was it the residency name that initially convinced you to interview said candidate ?
 
Well, I have a fellow Cornell classmate there now and I think she is great. She was great on the floors at Cornell. I bet the program is amazing.

Why did a pre-med necrobump a 5 year old thread to mention a former classmate and extrapolate that the Yale program is therefore amazing?
 
My n=1. Our group hired a recent Yale grad last year. We could not let go of this person soon enough. In the short stay with us became legendary amongst surgeons, nurses, and anesthesiologists for just how bad this person was. Nice personality but just scary bad. The stories live on today. One by one the surgeons would come to us and communicate they did not want this person to take care of their pts. And that is pretty much the death sentence in private practice. Obviously this does not reflect the overall quality of the program but the point is for the vast majority of programs out there, you determine the quality of your training, not the program. Name can only take you so far, if you suck, the word will get around quickly.

Wow that can't be good for Yale...
 
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