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Residency Match List for USC Keck

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    Does every medical school post statistics regarding their residency match results? I'm trying to find out if Keck has a good history of matching into specialities I'm interested in but I can't find any info online regarding the percentage of people who matched into their first choice, etc.

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      1) no every school does not post their match lists online; I have no idea if USC does
      2) match lists are not useful for deciding on which medical school to attend
      3) suffice it to say that almost all US medical schools have "good" match results
      4) moving back to Pre-Allo where this belongs
       
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        Does every medical school post statistics regarding their residency match results? I'm trying to find out if Keck has a good history of matching into specialities I'm interested in but I can't find any info online regarding the percentage of people who matched into their first choice, etc.

        Thanks!

        Not every school does, but many will give you a list during interviews. Doesn't really effect you before you get in though, and honestly not even that much if you're in. The thing that would be more interesting to learn would be the average STEP1 scores, but even those are only averages, and largely depend on you as a medical student.

        Also, very few schools will have data on whether their students matched into their "first choice" or not, and I doubt it is heavily published, though I am unknowledgeable on the subject material in detail.
         
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          First choice is a useless statistic. It means whatever you ranked #1 on ERAS. If you don't get an interview, you can't rank them.
          Actually you can rank any program you wish even if you didn't interview there.

          The likelihood of matching is nil but there's no reason you can't rank them,
           

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            1) no every school does not post their match lists online; I have no idea if USC does
            2) match lists are not useful for deciding on which medical school to attend
            3) suffice it to say that almost all US medical schools have "good" match results
            4) moving back to Pre-Allo where this belongs

            Really for number 2?

            I was using that to gauge how good the school is at placing people into tougher specialties and what % of students there are interested in that stuff.
             

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              Really for number 2?

              I was using that to gauge how good the school is at placing people into tougher specialties and what % of students there are interested in that stuff.
              How will you know what % of students are "interested in that stuff"?

              For example, if a program has no one match into Derm is that because no one was competitive enough for it, no one was interested or people applied but didn't match?
               

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                Isn't the whole point of medical school to get placed into a residency program? And wouldn't everyone agree that some schools make it easier for their students to match than others, like a student from UCSF will match much better than an identical student (step 1, grades, etc.) from FSU. Those schools are extreme examples, and there's likely a continuum where better ranked schools give their students somewhat of an advantage for residency placement over lower ranked schools.

                Match lists probably are useful, but are just too difficult to interpret meaningfully, which is why people probably just resort to USNews rankings. How about the "residency director score" on USNews where each school is give a score out of 5?
                 

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                  Isn't the whole point of medical school to get placed into a residency program? And wouldn't everyone agree that some schools make it easier for their students to match than others, like a student from UCSF will match much better than an identical student (step 1, grades, etc.) from FSU. Those schools are extreme examples, and there's likely a continuum where better ranked schools give their students somewhat of an advantage for residency placement over lower ranked schools.

                  Match lists probably are useful, but are just too difficult to interpret meaningfully, which is why people probably just resort to USNews rankings. How about the "residency director score" on USNews where each school is give a score out of 5?
                  To a degree, yes. Pedigree does have some weight with top programs. But DO schools have put people into Stanford, Cornell, Mayo, and JHU. Hell, my "low-tier" state school puts people into Vanderbilt every year. Match lists are unimportant because it doesn't mean "our school was the reason for these people going into derm at Harvard," it means "we have students that are competent and hard-working enough to be competitive in these fields at these institutions."

                  Also, I myself don't trust USNews with rankings. Schools have and will pay for better spots on those lists. Also, if you read the magazine version, it puts in ads from Caribbean schools all the time as if it's a viable option. Not really trustworthy in my opinion
                   
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                    How will you know what % of students are "interested in that stuff"?

                    For example, if a program has no one match into Derm is that because no one was competitive enough for it, no one was interested or people applied but didn't match?

                    I would argue that looking into 3-4 years of history for match lists from a program would even this out. If no one has matched derm in 4 years, then that's a red flag. If one has to choose between acceptances, it's an additional metric that can be used.
                    I also think step 1 score averages for every school should be viewable.
                     

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                      Isn't the whole point of medical school to get placed into a residency program? And wouldn't everyone agree that some schools make it easier for their students to match than others, like a student from UCSF will match much better than an identical student (step 1, grades, etc.) from FSU. Those schools are extreme examples, and there's likely a continuum where better ranked schools give their students somewhat of an advantage for residency placement over lower ranked schools.

                      Match lists probably are useful, but are just too difficult to interpret meaningfully, which is why people probably just resort to USNews rankings. How about the "residency director score" on USNews where each school is give a score out of 5?

                      All else being equal, intangibles like "not coming across as a weirdo" are way above things like school pedigree for 95% of residencies.
                       

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                        I would argue that looking into 3-4 years of history for match lists from a program would even this out. If no one has matched derm in 4 years, then that's a red flag. If one has to choose between acceptances, it's an additional metric that can be used.

                        We will have to disagree. Again, you have no way of knowing whether or not someone is interested in Derm, self-selected out of the match or didn't match. While you may assume its a "red flag" that no one has matched Derm (for example) in 4 years, the above factors could be the reason why and not necessarily that the school provided a poor educational foundation or had a poor quality of students.

                        In addition, looking at match lists for specialties you may not be interested in 4 years down the line is not as valuable as you may think but I know its SDN and pre-med dogma that you must look at match lists before deciding on a medical school.

                        I also think step 1 score averages for every school should be viewable.

                        THAT I do agree with you on, as it tends to be at least a metric of how hard working the student population is; less so as to whether or not the school adequately prepares you.
                         
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                          We will have to disagree. Again, you have no way of knowing whether or not someone is interested in Derm, self-selected out of the match or didn't match. While you may assume its a "red flag" that no one has matched Derm (for example) in 4 years, the above factors could be the reason why and not necessarily that the school provided a poor educational foundation or had a poor quality of students.

                          In addition, looking at match lists for specialties you may not be interested in 4 years down the line is not as valuable as you may think but I know its SDN and pre-med dogma that you must look at match lists before deciding on a medical school.



                          THAT I do agree with you on, as it tends to be at least a metric of how hard working the student population is; less so as to whether or not the school adequately prepares you.

                          What about % students that matched specialty of first choice?
                           

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                            Does every medical school post statistics regarding their residency match results? I'm trying to find out if Keck has a good history of matching into specialities I'm interested in but I can't find any info online regarding the percentage of people who matched into their first choice, etc.

                            Thanks!

                            Funny enough, Keck just sent out their match list today to accepted students (it was also included in the interview packet), but requested that the info not be shared.

                            OP: Unfortunately, I don't know anything about interpreting match lists and haven't been using them for school selection. However, there are some super helpful Keck students in the school-specific thread who have posted detailed information about USC. That would probably be your best bet for getting more relevant information about the school than the match list.
                             
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