I know that there are a few Residency-PhD programs out there-- namely, the UCLA STAR program (link), the Stanford ARTS program (link), and more recently, the Mount Sinai School of Medicine Psych-Residency program (link). I have tried searching FRIEDA, but ... I haven't turned up much. Does anybody know about other combined Residency-PhD programs, particularly in internal medicine or psychiatry? Or, does anybody have any insight into what it's like to match into these sorts of programs, and what their motivations are? Feel free to PM me as well. Thank you!
Residency - PhD Programs
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At this level, things often get a bit more flexible than necessarily applying for a particular program. Especially beyond residency and into fellowship, if you really want a PhD, it's often more a matter of finding an advisor who wants to take you on and fund you and getting the okay of your program. If you're in a program with protected research time, there is probably a way to try to make some graduate training part of that time. If the fellowship/residency director isn't into it, then you will have a hard time trying to make it work.
For example, for the Stanford ARTS you mentioned, you apply for that program once you are in residency. And that's not the only way to get a PhD at Stanford as a clinician. ARTS is about funding, if you can find and advisor who is willing to fund your research/graduate training and salary, then you can go that route. However, there are also other ways to fund your graduate training, including some NIH training grants, etc. Your application to a PhD program is often about money, and if you come in as a credible person in that area with publications and with your own funding and an MD, then you're usually in a good position.
There are all sorts of possibilities too, I know some people who in their protected research fellowship time somehow set up admissions to graduate programs in Europe, which are typically shorter requirements (France, Germany, England, etc.) than the US, and got PhD's (or D Sci or whatever) there by extending their fellowship time only a little bit.
For example, for the Stanford ARTS you mentioned, you apply for that program once you are in residency. And that's not the only way to get a PhD at Stanford as a clinician. ARTS is about funding, if you can find and advisor who is willing to fund your research/graduate training and salary, then you can go that route. However, there are also other ways to fund your graduate training, including some NIH training grants, etc. Your application to a PhD program is often about money, and if you come in as a credible person in that area with publications and with your own funding and an MD, then you're usually in a good position.
There are all sorts of possibilities too, I know some people who in their protected research fellowship time somehow set up admissions to graduate programs in Europe, which are typically shorter requirements (France, Germany, England, etc.) than the US, and got PhD's (or D Sci or whatever) there by extending their fellowship time only a little bit.
You make really good points. Do you know how common it is that students do this? Obviously it would still be easier to go through a formal training where the infrastucture is already set up and advisors know what a residency entails, etc...
Is there any way to see how much protected research time each residency program has? Is this typically standard across most programs? Sorry if this is a stupid question-- I haven't actually started looking that closely into residencies yet and I am just trying to explore my options.
Finally, does the PhD have to be in basic science? (What if somebody wanted to do a PhD in, for instance, education or anthropology?)
Is there any way to see how much protected research time each residency program has? Is this typically standard across most programs? Sorry if this is a stupid question-- I haven't actually started looking that closely into residencies yet and I am just trying to explore my options.
Finally, does the PhD have to be in basic science? (What if somebody wanted to do a PhD in, for instance, education or anthropology?)
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I know you said Internal Medicine and Psych, but Derm at University of Miami has one as well: http://dermatology.med.miami.edu/education/resident-research-track-applications. It is a 4+1+3 year position (PhD training + internship + dermatology residency).
There is 2 programs I know off that also can fit your interest,
http://www.vai.org/en/vaei/graduate...t-training/medical-residency-phd-program.aspx
http://ycci.yale.edu/education/impphd/index.aspx
http://www.vai.org/en/vaei/graduate...t-training/medical-residency-phd-program.aspx
http://ycci.yale.edu/education/impphd/index.aspx
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It is possible, as noted, even of outside formal programs. I'm curious where you are in your training?
If you look at residency program websites you can usually get a good feel what research opps are available.
I know you seem very research oriented, but remember you don't need a PhD to do research. There are quite a few clinical research training options available at academic residencies these days, options for masters degrees in things like clinical research or epidemiology or public health, there are PSTP pathways at many programs, and if you're thinking of doing a fellowship that opens other opportunities.
Quite a few of the residency programs at the institutions I'm affiliated with offer options like above, including PhDs.
If you look at residency program websites you can usually get a good feel what research opps are available.
I know you seem very research oriented, but remember you don't need a PhD to do research. There are quite a few clinical research training options available at academic residencies these days, options for masters degrees in things like clinical research or epidemiology or public health, there are PSTP pathways at many programs, and if you're thinking of doing a fellowship that opens other opportunities.
Quite a few of the residency programs at the institutions I'm affiliated with offer options like above, including PhDs.
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Also, if you're interested in education, anthropology, and population type stuff looking into public health might not be a bad idea. You can explore some pretty broad interest areas while still being related to health/medicine.