Residency Program Director Stipend

[KCN79]

I don't know if this is the right place to post this or not (or please tell me where to post), but I was wondering - in general (if that exists) do residency program directors receive a stipend or increase in pay for taking this leadership role, or is it more just compensated by "protected" or funded time?

Thanks.

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[NotAProgDirector]

Increase in pay. That's cute.

It's protected time.

 

[KCN79]

Thanks

 

[P Diddy]

Increase in pay. That's cute.

It's protected time.

I think this must be program dependent. At some programs, being the IM residency director means having 1/2 your salary paid for. If one generates a lot of RVUs, this can net one quite the bonus, in essence a substantial pay raise.

p diddy

 

[NotAProgDirector]

I think P Diddy is pointing out that if faculty are paid on a pure productivity scale, you could get 50% of your salary for being PD and then still generate 80% of a full time doc's RVU's, and get 130% salary. I guess that's possible if salaries are tied to individual RVU metrics and you can get enough covered salary and yet still not need all of the time to do the job and hence overgenerate RVU's. That might happen in surgical specialties.

 

[P Diddy]

That's exactly what he said - it pays for your time. Having a portion of your salary covered is in exchange for an expected net loss in clinical productivity due to the time obligations of the job.

You misunderstand. My point is that getting paid for one's time can lead to a substantial pay raise, as aProg pointed out above, particularly if the residency director delegates substantially. One can more than make up for the expected loss of productivity per aProg's algorithm.

aProg is wrong that overgeneration in RVUs can happen only in surgical subspecialties; it also happens in internal medicine subspecialties, making the residency director job coveted not only for prestige, but also for financial gain. It appears this is program dependent.

p diddy

 

[Neuronix]

I'm pretty sure our residency PD gets neither time nor money for being PD. On paper it's a 10% time protection, but his clinic is so overbooked that this is meaningless. I have no idea why he does it. Build his CV maybe? Out of the goodness of his heart maybe? Do people even do things for that reason anymore?

 

[Raryn]

I'm pretty sure our residency PD gets neither time nor money for being PD. On paper it's a 10% time protection, but his clinic is so overbooked that this is meaningless. I have no idea why he does it. Build his CV maybe? Out of the goodness of his heart maybe? Do people even do things for that reason anymore?

Pretty sure the ACGME requires protected time for PDs

 

[Law2Doc]

If you have aspirations within the field it's probably not a bad stepping stone position. And In academics if you aren't taking on additional roles besides your clinical duties, you tend to be the first one out the door when there are layoffs or personnel changes. So as usual there are always non financial benefits.

 

[Crayola227]

If you have aspirations within the field it's probably not a bad stepping stone position. And In academics if you aren't taking on additional roles besides your clinical duties, you tend to be the first one out the door when there are layoffs or personnel changes. So as usual there are always non financial benefits.

I always wondered why they did it, cuz they usually say it's not really money. I used it think it was kindness of heart or nefarious purposes like a need for power or a stepping stone to hosp admin away from patients. Job security. Heh, should've guessed.

 

[Giga_chad98683]

Whats protected time?

 

[gutonc]

Your username is quite fitting.

 

[BoardingDoc]

Whats protected time?

Wow. Bumped a 4 year old thread, and clicked the warning box which tells you this thread is ancient... Instead of doing this... And literally opening the first result.

 

[Giga_chad98683]

In the Time it took you both to give smartass replies, maybe you could have just answered it and moved on with your life.

And what? You're not supposed to revive old threads?
Google says something about having research time or something which didn't make much sense to me, so i asked.
Anyway , thanks for nothing fellas.

 

[Apollyon]

In the Time it took you both to give smartass replies, maybe you could have just answered it and moved on with your life.

And what? You're not supposed to revive old threads?
Google says something about having research time or something which didn't make much sense to me, so i asked.
Anyway , thanks for nothing fellas.

Fail. I put the same thing into Google, and found it out on the first page. YOUR smart-ass response is suggestive of why people won't do your work for you. The "research time or something" you state is, literally, the first thing that comes up (and, literally again, says "definition"). Then, there is a BUNCH more pages that clearly state what it is.

 

[Mass Effect]

In the Time it took you both to give smartass replies, maybe you could have just answered it and moved on with your life.

And what? You're not supposed to revive old threads?
Google says something about having research time or something which didn't make much sense to me, so i asked.
Anyway , thanks for nothing fellas.

To answer your question, protected time is time that you get to do non-clinical work. In academics, that could mean research, being PD, or other roles that you're hired to do. It's called "protected" because it cannot be used for clinical services and won't be counted against you in terms of RVUs/productivity. So in other words, if someone is 100% clinical, that person is expected to see a certain number of patients because that's all they're doing full-time. That won't be compared against you if 30% of your time is protected and you're only seeing patients 70% of the time. This is also a thing in residency in programs that offer didactics as protected time so that residents are not scheduled for any clinical activities.

 

[Giga_chad98683]

To answer your question, protected time is time that you get to do non-clinical work. In academics, that could mean research, being PD, or other roles that you're hired to do. It's called "protected" because it cannot be used for clinical services and won't be counted against you in terms of RVUs/productivity. So in other words, if someone is 100% clinical, that person is expected to see a certain number of patients because that's all they're doing full-time. That won't be compared against you if 30% of your time is protected and you're only seeing patients 70% of the time. This is also a thing in residency in programs that offer didactics as protected time so that residents are not scheduled for any clinical activities.

Thank you, kind sir !
It was very helpful 🙂

 

[gutonc]

Thank you, kind sir !
It was very helpful 🙂

So was your Google search.