Residency Program Specific Step Score

[Soon2BDrChi]

Im a third year who is looking for some residency info. I have been looking all around to find specific residency programs average step 1 score but i cant seem to find them anywhere. I could find average step scores by specialty, but not program specific. For instance, it is very important for me to stay close to NYC for residency, and everything that interests me so far seems to be relatively competitive.
Looking at Emergency Med,Anesthesia, Radiology, Optho, Ortho... Anyone know what scores are competitive for some of the NYC programs for these specialties?
Just to give you an idea, Im a US grad, class rank (probably top 30%, but not sure yet), Step 1: 245.
Any chance to get interviews in these fields at NYC (relatively competitive) schools?
Thanks in advance!

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[IJL]

Maybe you should try to narrow down your specialty selection first...

 

[b-real]

Similar to how most medical schools don't release their Step 1 averages, the vast majority of residency programs do not release their averages. Rest assured, your 245 will keep doors open in NYC for pretty much any of the specialties you mentioned. Your neuroticism, however, may be a turn-off for a lot of those same programs. Try not to show it during your interviews.

 

[thefritz]

Emergency Med,Anesthesia, Radiology, Optho, Ortho... Anyone know what scores are competitive for some of the NYC programs for these specialties?
Step 1: 245.
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Radiology
Optho
Anesthesia
Emergency Med

Where's derm?

What is the minimum amount of money you want, per year, to live in Manhattan?
Forget all those and do derm or psych.

To answer your question, I have never heard of any program, anywhere, screening someone based off a 245 step 1. You've opened the door with your step 1, and that's all it's good for. What else ya got?

 

[Soon2BDrChi]

Similar to how most medical schools don't release their Step 1 averages, the vast majority of residency programs do not release their averages. Rest assured, your 245 will keep doors open in NYC for pretty much any of the specialties you mentioned. Your neuroticism, however, may be a turn-off for a lot of those same programs. Try not to show it during your interviews.

Sorry if I came off that way, idk what it was that i said but i was just trying to give you an idea where im at.

I dont need to be in manhattan, just in the NYC area, Im from the area and would really like to be back home. And ive heard those residencies are significantly more difficult to get, I wanted to see what people thought.

I just started third year, those are just listed a few things that interest me, so far. I just became concerned because i realized that many of the things that interest me are some of the traditionally competitive fields. And im not very interested in derm.

 

[DoctorDermis]

Sorry if I came off that way, idk what it was that i said but i was just trying to give you an idea where im at.

I dont need to be in manhattan, just in the NYC area, Im from the area and would really like to be back home. And ive heard those residencies are significantly more difficult to get, I wanted to see what people thought.

I just started third year, those are just listed a few things that interest me, so far. I just became concerned because i realized that many of the things that interest me are some of the traditionally competitive fields. And im not very interested in derm.

I understand your desire for regional selectivity - but you will likely hear from multiple people that the more competitive you shoot for, the more broadly you will need to apply in order to secure a spot. Interestingly, there can be a decent bit of regional bias in regards to extension of interview invitations.

I have not come across any mention of the avg Step 1 score of incoming residents at specific programs, and I don't think you should factor it into your decision making since a score in the 240's is likely to prevent you from being filtered out based on step scores.
Also, I believe the majority of programs would consider "top 30%" to be in the range of "25% to 50%", and the next closest cutoff above that as "top 25%".

My suggestion would be to continue building towards a well-rounded and strong residency application, and consider doing a couple of interview / away rotations at programs in your region of interest that has some favorable variables (i.e. a faculty of your program has ties to where you rotate, the program has taken residents from your school before, your chair / PD is connected to their chair / PD, etc).

 

[Soon2BDrChi]

I understand your desire for regional selectivity - but you will likely hear from multiple people that the more competitive you shoot for, the more broadly you will need to apply in order to secure a spot. Interestingly, there can be a decent bit of regional bias in regards to extension of interview invitations.

I have not come across any mention of the avg Step 1 score of incoming residents at specific programs, and I don't think you should factor it into your decision making since a score in the 240's is likely to prevent you from being filtered out based on step scores.
Also, I believe the majority of programs would consider "top 30%" to be in the range of "25% to 50%", and the next closest cutoff above that as "top 25%".

My suggestion would be to continue building towards a well-rounded and strong residency application, and consider doing a couple of interview / away rotations at programs in your region of interest that has some favorable variables (i.e. a faculty of your program has ties to where you rotate, the program has taken residents from your school before, your chair / PD is connected to their chair / PD, etc).

Thank you very much for all the useful information, I didnt know how the class rank ranges worked, and i was just estimating. But thanks again!

 

[Instatewaiter]

Im a third year who is looking for some residency info. I have been looking all around to find specific residency programs average step 1 score but i cant seem to find them anywhere. I could find average step scores by specialty, but not program specific. For instance, it is very important for me to stay close to NYC for residency, and everything that interests me so far seems to be relatively competitive.
Looking at Emergency Med,Anesthesia, Radiology, Optho, Ortho... Anyone know what scores are competitive for some of the NYC programs for these specialties?
Just to give you an idea, Im a US grad, class rank (probably top 30%, but not sure yet), Step 1: 245.
Any chance to get interviews in these fields at NYC (relatively competitive) schools?
Thanks in advance!

245 is good but there are a few issues:

Competitive programs are competitive for a few reasons- the specialty is competitive and the location is competitive.

NYC is a competitive location so for the more competitive things (ortho, ophthalmology and rads to some extent), a 245 isn't all that great. You're not going to get screened out but it also isn't going to blow programs away.

EM and anesthesia those scores are still good in NYC.

 

[DrBowtie]

To get into the best NYC programs might be a stretch in most of those fields, but there are also a lot of bad residencies in NYC so if city trumps quality, you'll get a spot in the area.

 

[thefritz]

And im not very interested in derm.

The other fields you mentioned literally have nothing in common besides reimbursement+lifestyle. You should really take a look at derm before it's too late. It is an awesome field to go into. I have never, ever heard anybody say "man I really regret going into derm, I wish I could be doing a 12 in the ER right now"

 

[Winged Scapula]

To get into the best NYC programs might be a stretch in most of those fields, but there are also a lot of bad residencies in NYC so if city trumps quality, you'll get a spot in the area.

This. Also the fact that the "NYC area" has boatloads of residencies means that most people who want a position there get them if they aren't picky.

 

[Soon2BDrChi]

The other fields you mentioned literally have nothing in common besides reimbursement+lifestyle. You should really take a look at derm before it's too late. It is an awesome field to go into. I have never, ever heard anybody say "man I really regret going into derm, I wish I could be doing a 12 in the ER right now"

Im not sure why you say they dont have things in common, I love doing procedures, and most all of those fields all do a lot of procedures. If I did do radiology I would strongly consider IR for the procedural aspect. I also like the idea of shift work- which is part of the reason ER, Anesthesia, Radiology appeal to me. And Optho, I think the eye is fascinating (plus i heard they have a nice lifestyle). But from my (little) experience in derm, its not what interests me (plus im scared i wouldnt match in such a competitive field 🙂 )

Thanks a lot guys, I know that the score isnt gonna impress anyone, just wanted to make sure i wouldnt get screened out of getting interviews in the competitive fields in NYC.

Another main reason why i made this post, was to see if anyone has ever heard of a place where i can find the last classes statistic (step 1 score, class rank, research experiences) for specific programs. Like when applying to medical school we could see different schools averages to help guide our reach schools, and safety schools. Anyone ever find anything like that for residencies?

 

[thefritz]

Im not sure why you say they dont have things in common, I love doing procedures, and most all of those fields all do a lot of procedures. If I did do radiology I would strongly consider IR for the procedural aspect. I also like the idea of shift work- which is part of the reason ER, Anesthesia, Radiology appeal to me. And Optho, I think the eye is fascinating (plus i heard they have a nice lifestyle). But from my (little) experience in derm, its not what interests me (plus im scared i wouldnt match in such a competitive field 🙂 )

Thanks a lot guys, I know that the score isnt gonna impress anyone, just wanted to make sure i wouldnt get screened out of getting interviews in the competitive fields in NYC.

Another main reason why i made this post, was to see if anyone has ever heard of a place where i can find the last classes statistic (step 1 score, class rank, research experiences) for specific programs. Like when applying to medical school we could see different schools averages to help guide our reach schools, and safety schools. Anyone ever find anything like that for residencies?

Come on, you literally just listed the ROAD specialties minus derm. Those are 100% lifestyle fields. Procedural fields have minimal clinic time like trauma surgery or CT surg. All of those fields are competitive and people with your score fail to match in all of them. Like I said, your step 1 is a ticket in the door, then you need something else to land the job. A 245 will get you enough interviews in derm to match. Also you can do MOHS and do 100% procedures in derm if you want. 8-5 3 days a week >>> ER or rads shiftwork.

Admit it's about lifestyle and add derm to your shortlist and ignore the haters. Your usmle step 1 is just one part of your package. Also, most of the residency-specific forums have 'whos-who' threads every year where people post their application stats.

 

[Anastomoses]

I've been trying to find step I averages for vascular and thoracic surgery programs; along with information on how important research is to these specialties. Anyone know where to get that?

 

[Instatewaiter]

The other fields you mentioned literally have nothing in common besides reimbursement+lifestyle. You should really take a look at derm before it's too late. It is an awesome field to go into. I have never, ever heard anybody say "man I really regret going into derm, I wish I could be doing a 12 in the ER right now"

Yeah but it's like selling your soul to the devil...

 

[Winged Scapula]

I've been trying to find step I averages for vascular and thoracic surgery programs; along with information on how important research is to these specialties. Anyone know where to get that?

User mimelim is an Integrated Vascular Surgery resident; perhaps he can shed some light on that for you.

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

I've been trying to find step I averages for vascular and thoracic surgery programs; along with information on how important research is to these specialties. Anyone know where to get that?

I don't think any data exists (publicly) on this.

Anecdotally from the residents/ faculty at my institution, the vascular applicants are on par with the "top" general surgery applicants. One of the biggest differences is the research background - vascular applicants typically having a more focused and better research CV

 

[Donald Juan]

I've been trying to find step I averages for vascular and thoracic surgery programs; along with information on how important research is to these specialties. Anyone know where to get that?

Here's a discussion from earlier this year (and mimelim talks in here).

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=993116

 

[username456789]

Yeah but it's like selling your soul to the devil...

No, it's not like that at all.