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Hi everyone:

PGY-3 general surgery resident here. By way of background, I am at a large academic program that is probably recognizable to some on this board. I enjoy surgery and being a resident. In general I get along with almost everyone I work with and like my job. But more days than not I go home feeling like absolute crap. Why? Mostly because I feel behind my classmates in terms of technical skills. I know objectively this isn't true because I've seen my ranking in comparison to my class and I fall almost right in the middle, maybe a little below the median. Some cases I feel comfortable doing completely by myself (lap appy, lap ventral hernia for example), but others I continue to require a lot of direction and redirection (lap chole, lap inguinal herniae). I know in my mind this is most likely a numbers issue and that tincture of repetition will cure. It's just hard not to think "Man, I'm in my third year, shouldn't I just be getting this stuff by now? Am I cut out to do this job? Why is it so easy for other people in my class?" The insane part is, I've never seen anyone else from my class operate. I just assume I'm behind because I hear what the ancillary staff and other residents say about them.
Maybe I just need to chill out and trust the process. Five year program for a reason kind of a thing. Anyway, I'll hang up and listen.
 
Hi everyone:

PGY-3 general surgery resident here. By way of background, I am at a large academic program that is probably recognizable to some on this board. I enjoy surgery and being a resident. In general I get along with almost everyone I work with and like my job. But more days than not I go home feeling like absolute crap. Why? Mostly because I feel behind my classmates in terms of technical skills. I know objectively this isn't true because I've seen my ranking in comparison to my class and I fall almost right in the middle, maybe a little below the median. Some cases I feel comfortable doing completely by myself (lap appy, lap ventral hernia for example), but others I continue to require a lot of direction and redirection (lap chole, lap inguinal herniae). I know in my mind this is most likely a numbers issue and that tincture of repetition will cure. It's just hard not to think "Man, I'm in my third year, shouldn't I just be getting this stuff by now? Am I cut out to do this job? Why is it so easy for other people in my class?" The insane part is, I've never seen anyone else from my class operate. I just assume I'm behind because I hear what the ancillary staff and other residents say about them.
Maybe I just need to chill out and trust the process. Five year program for a reason kind of a thing. Anyway, I'll hang up and listen.

You just started your third year. At most academic programs, this is when you start to operate on a regular basis. Still, even by the end of third year, you won't feel ready to be on your own, which is ok. The fact that you realize how much direction you're getting in the OR means you have insight. Many residents think they can do a case when in reality the attending walked them through it (i.e. exposure, steps/flow, keeping/getting them out of trouble etc). Wait until you start taking juniors through a case. That's when most realize how much direction they were getting.
 
And to add to that, I would take anything you hear from ancillary staff in the OR with a huge grain of salt. They judge surgical skills based on secondary characteristics that are only loosely correlated with skills, such as confidence/poise during the case, case duration, and other factors which are entirely uncorrelated like charm and friendliness and height. I'm sure there surgeon rankings are better than chance, but I'd be stunned to find they were much better (if it were truly possible to even objectively rank surgeons). Everyone will be able to tell you stories of residents/surgeons who all the OR staff think are just great that suck, and vice versa.
 
Just reiterating what was said above:

1) Its a 5-7 year program for a reason.
2) Since you don't operate with your peers, you really have no idea where you rank in terms of technical skills.
3) Ancillary staff don't know **** about who's good and who isn't; they think you're good if you're confident, fast and nice. That's all. They have no idea (and this continues into practice).
4) No one expects a 3rd year "to get it" by now; you are just starting to operate in earnest.
5) You don't know what you don't know - that is, some of your colleagues may think they know what they're doing. They don't.
 
Hi everyone:

PGY-3 general surgery resident here. By way of background, I am at a large academic program that is probably recognizable to some on this board. I enjoy surgery and being a resident. In general I get along with almost everyone I work with and like my job. But more days than not I go home feeling like absolute crap. Why? Mostly because I feel behind my classmates in terms of technical skills. I know objectively this isn't true because I've seen my ranking in comparison to my class and I fall almost right in the middle, maybe a little below the median. Some cases I feel comfortable doing completely by myself (lap appy, lap ventral hernia for example), but others I continue to require a lot of direction and redirection (lap chole, lap inguinal herniae). I know in my mind this is most likely a numbers issue and that tincture of repetition will cure. It's just hard not to think "Man, I'm in my third year, shouldn't I just be getting this stuff by now? Am I cut out to do this job? Why is it so easy for other people in my class?" The insane part is, I've never seen anyone else from my class operate. I just assume I'm behind because I hear what the ancillary staff and other residents say about them.
Maybe I just need to chill out and trust the process. Five year program for a reason kind of a thing. Anyway, I'll hang up and listen.

I didn't have the time yesterday to adequately respond to this.

I think a number of your thoughts/anxieties/concerns resonated with me based on where I was early in third year. If I had to venture a guess, probably resonate with a lot of surgical trainees.

A couple of big points:

1. I would guess that most of your peers feel the same as you do. "Imposter syndrome" is very common, and their outward veneer of ease is likely just that. Conversely, if they do think it's easy, they are idiots. A little dose of humility about your current skill level (provided it doesn't paralyze you with anxiety) is a good thing.

2. PGY3 is, especially at big academic programs, a thrown to the wolves kind of year. Prepare yourself mentally for that.

3.As above, to some degree you should trust the process. You get a lot of time, experience, and repetition between now and graduation.

4. However, if you listen to the old farts and the literature, there are concerns that "the process" is inadequate. Which I took to mean, I had to be as driven and responsible for my own learning as possible. I took a number of steps to try and do this, a few of which I have detailed below:
(a) Start a journal. I always kept a sticker book, but I bought a bigger journal and now I put the sticker in the corner, and then I write about a page or two of case notes. I am a terrible artist but I will also occasionally sketch things out (like how to set up a low colo-anal hand-sewn anastomosis, etc) since I find the sketching helps my kinesthetic learning style. I felt like one of the hardest transitions of PGY3 year was from focusing on simply what my hands were doing (i.e. put needle in here, twist wrist, have needle come out there) into focusing on the "big picture" of the case and the steps to expose, make progress. The journal helped me in that regard. It's also really nice to have now, since I make a lot of little notes about how certain attendings like to do things - so when I go back to a service I haven't been on in a while I can still look smooth.
(b) Actively solicit feedback. I can't tell the number of times I've come out of a case where I felt stressed the whole time, or something went wrong, or I thought I was inefficient, and the attending just grunts "good job" then disappears. And then the end of the month eval says something cursory like "always a pleasure to have on service". And yet, I have found that if I actively seek things out from them - either during or after the case, or even by going to their office and meeting - they give much more meaningful insight.
(c) And along with soliciting feedback...take it. I had one of the transplant attendings tell me to work on my hand-tying with 6-0s. At first I was cranky, and thought it was just that he was doing a case with me when I was super tired and post-call and blah blah blah. After I got over the ego hurt, I stole a bunch of 6-0 from the sim center and tied knots all the time for the remainder of the month.
(d) READ VORACIOUSLY. I tried to read intern year. Second year it fell off the map. Third year I really pushed myself to read more. Not reading Sabiston's or Greenfield's as much, but focusing more on operative texts. Try to actively read, thinking through steps in the case or your prior experiences doing a similar operation and how it did/did not line up with the textbook.
(e) Plan out the case yourself. Look at scans, look at the patient's note. Think in detail about what you would do, with no attending there. Rehearse it in your head the night before. Then in the case, ask the attending why they are doing it a particular way. Try to understand what they are thinking rather than just following along with the flow of the case.
(f) Set your own learning goals...and then share them. Tell the attending what you think you need to work on. Ask permission to do it. Say you're doing a lap chole...ask if you can gain the initial access and decide where to place all the ports yourself. A good attending will let you do it, and then let you struggle during the case so that you realize you placed your working port too high or too low or whatever. Or maybe your learning goal is more complex.

TL;DR: It's normal to feel stress about your operative skills at this point in the game. Don't beat yourself up, but focus on your own learning and take charge of it.
 
(d) READ VORACIOUSLY. I tried to read intern year. Second year it fell off the map. Third year I really pushed myself to read more. Not reading Sabiston's or Greenfield's as much, but focusing more on operative texts. Try to actively read, thinking through steps in the case or your prior experiences doing a similar operation and how it did/did not line up with the textbook.
(e) Plan out the case yourself. Look at scans, look at the patient's note. Think in detail about what you would do, with no attending there. Rehearse it in your head the night before. Then in the case, ask the attending why they are doing it a particular way. Try to understand what they are thinking rather than just following along with the flow of the case.


Couldn't agree more with these points: read and know your stuff, anticipate questions/problems/pitfalls and have the answer ready, know the procedure from start to finish. Look at scans! Plan the case! This is great advice and you will be impressed with how much you will increase your confidence in the OR and how much you will get out of each case.
 
I recently completed my general surgery training. A few points:

There are always people who seem really confident and brag about their cases. I've found that they are not that much better than anyone else, they just happen to have a lot of confidence and/or poor insight (sometimes both).

Lap choles are not always straightforward. Depending on the degree of inflammation and aberrant anatomy, it can be a very difficult procedure. I was probably able to do most lap choles as a 3, but not all. Anyone bragging that they can do every chole as a 3 probably hasn't bagged a right hepatic artery or CBD before. But some will, and their tune will change.

Lap inguinal hernias are, in my opinion, a chief level case. Granted it's not as hard as a lap esophagectomy or lap Whipple, but it's still difficult to do on your own. The anatomy is unlike what most are used to and there is a lot of laparoscopic skill involved, even though the concept is fairly simple. Also it's a case that you can really mess up badly unless done properly. Now some might ridicule this statement but I tend to ignore the chest beaters.

Early PGY3 is really too early to make a lot of judgment about your clinical skill, especially at an academic center. If your program is anything like mine, you are just getting started with operating consistently. Even as a mid 4 I was not confident about a lot of cases. Things clicked for me during chief year, for what it's worth.

A lot has to do with expectations. I expected to be "done" as a 4, and treat my chief year as a victory lap where I get faster and better. Well, those expectations were based on when people worked 120 hours and did 1500+ cases. We are training in a different era and I think I needed the full 5 clinical years to be ready to do the bread and butter cases (lap appy, chole, colectomy, SBR, Nissen, hiatal hernia, trauma lap, MRM, etc). I will not be doing lap esophagectomies or lap Whipples on my own out of residency, and I would argue that most shouldn't either. Don't expect to master everything just because you do it in residency.
 
Lap inguinal hernias are, in my opinion, a chief level case. Granted it's not as hard as a lap esophagectomy or lap Whipple, but it's still difficult to do on your own. The anatomy is unlike what most are used to and there is a lot of laparoscopic skill involved, even though the concept is fairly simple. Also it's a case that you can really mess up badly unless done properly. Now some might ridicule this statement but I tend to ignore the chest beaters.

I meant to comment on this too earlier. Lap inguinals are one of, if not the, hardest lap cases I've done thus far. I think it's a total disservice when programs treat these as "junior" cases just because they are hernias. It leads to the attendings taking over and just doing it. I plan on doing a ton of lap inguinals when I'm a chief, to get more experience and comfort with them.
 
The point about inguinals, open or lap, is well taken.

These are often relegated to "junior" cases when the attendings themselves, at least in my program, would comment, "its takes until 3rd year to really start to understand the anatomy and the orientation of everything". I thought doing them was harder than many of the more "advanced" lap cases because I felt turned around and discombobulated.
 
I didn't really start to come into my own until mid to late 4th year. It takes a while to learn how to handle tissues, find planes and get a true feel of relational anatomy. When that happens, though, surgery gets pretty damn fun.

Also learning doesn't stop with residency. I had to learn new tricks when I became an attending and started doing most of my cases by myself with only a scrub tech who all too frequently seems to be an alien from the ortho room.
 
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I had to learn new tricks when I became an attending and started doing most of my cases by myself with only a scrub tech who all too frequently seems to be an alien from the ortho room.

LOL…reminds me of when I was in fellowship and one of the attendings would say, "ok now when you don't have an assistant or a good one, you'll need to do this…". I thought, "when won't I ever have an assistant or a good one?" I had no idea.

Little did I know that insurance doesn't pay for an assist just because I want one and that not all scrubs techs are interested in what you're doing or have any skills whatsoever except handing you instruments.
 
I didn't really start to come into my own until mid to late 4th year. It takes a while to learn how to handle tissues, find planes and get a true feel of relational anatomy. When that happens, though, surgery gets pretty damn fun.

Also learning doesn't stop with residency. I had to learn new tricks when I became an attending and started doing most of my cases by myself with only a scrub tech who all too frequently seems to be an alien from the ortho room.

I usually get the aliens from the cysto room...
 
Hi everyone:

PGY-3 general surgery resident here. By way of background, I am at a large academic program that is probably recognizable to some on this board. I enjoy surgery and being a resident. In general I get along with almost everyone I work with and like my job. But more days than not I go home feeling like absolute crap. Why? Mostly because I feel behind my classmates in terms of technical skills. I know objectively this isn't true because I've seen my ranking in comparison to my class and I fall almost right in the middle, maybe a little below the median. Some cases I feel comfortable doing completely by myself (lap appy, lap ventral hernia for example), but others I continue to require a lot of direction and redirection (lap chole, lap inguinal herniae). I know in my mind this is most likely a numbers issue and that tincture of repetition will cure. It's just hard not to think "Man, I'm in my third year, shouldn't I just be getting this stuff by now? Am I cut out to do this job? Why is it so easy for other people in my class?" The insane part is, I've never seen anyone else from my class operate. I just assume I'm behind because I hear what the ancillary staff and other residents say about them.
Maybe I just need to chill out and trust the process. Five year program for a reason kind of a thing. Anyway, I'll hang up and listen.

It's normal to feel inadequate as a PGY3. It represents your new-found self-awareness. Any PGY-3 with a true understanding of general surgery will find it nearly impossible to master all necessary skills in the time remaining, and this should make you rightfully nervous. As WS mentioned in #5 of her initial post, and we've alluded to in the past, it's best for a resident to be as Socratic as possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing

Also, in order to be a truly excellent surgeon, you must never be satisfied with your current level of skill, and your current level of knowledge. You must possess a voracious intellectual appetite that is never satiated, and an unhealthy desire to become better at surgery, regardless of how good you think you are.

As a final piece of advice, don't ignore the feelings or comments from others that your peers are superior technicians. Use it as fuel. Good luck.
 
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