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I never listened to anyone here when I decided to go to the Caribbean for medical School. After one year there I decided to withdraw because I failed neuro finals. Fortunately i have been accepted into a masters linkage program where I need a certain GPA to matriculate. My question is that should I study and retake the MCAT in July or review for the masters program. I have literally taken all the classes that would be offered in the masters program.
 
Is matriculation also dependent on you retaking the MCAT?
 
Start studying for step 1... (lol jk)
I would study for the MCAT if you're trying to re-apply. You can study for the masters program classes during the program itself (or after the MCAT).
 
I never listened to anyone here when I decided to go to the Caribbean for medical School. After one year there I decided to withdraw because I failed neuro finals. Fortunately i have been accepted into a masters linkage program where I need a certain GPA to matriculate. My question is that should I study and retake the MCAT in July or review for the masters program. I have literally taken all the classes that would be offered in the masters program.

I don't know what your next step is and whether it's possible to matriculate at a US medical school despite your past Caribbean failure. So I'm going to have to defer to the experts @LizzyM @Goro @gyngyn @gonnif for insights. Hopefully it works out!
 
It's one thing to I taking the classes, you have to Ace them since this is now your second chance medical school.

So concentrate on the MCAT. Remember, Marathon, not Sprint.

I never listened to anyone here when I decided to go to the Caribbean for medical School. After one year there I decided to withdraw because I failed neuro finals. Fortunately i have been accepted into a masters linkage program where I need a certain GPA to matriculate. My question is that should I study and retake the MCAT in July or review for the masters program. I have literally taken all the classes that would be offered in the masters program.
 
It's one thing to I taking the classes, you have to Ace them since this is now your second chance medical school.

So concentrate on the MCAT. Remember, Marathon, not Sprint.

oops i missed the master's linkage program. surprised to see there are programs that give people like OP a second chance into a US medical school!
 
oops i missed the master's linkage program. surprised to see there are programs that give people like OP a second chance into a US medical school!
OP's best bet is with the linkage.
The AMCAS ap will include the Caribbean transcript.
 
OP's best bet is with the linkage.
The AMCAS ap will include the Caribbean transcript.
So even if I do very well on the MCAT and then get 3.5 above GPA in the masters I will have no chance?
 
No it's not. I only need to get a 3.5 or above GPA to matriculate into their med school class.
Unless I'm misunderstanding I wouldn't worry about retaking the MCAT. Don't screw up your second chance, just review and prepare for the SMP and kill it.
 
What does retaking the MCAT accomplish here?
The goal is to help me reapply in case I do not get the required 3.5 needed to matriculate. If I was to get 3.0 to 3.4 and do well on the MCAT then I could reapply to med schools again
 
This is do or die. With a failure at an off-shore school on your AMCAS application and a GPA of < 3.5 in a SMP, it won't matter if you score 524 on the MCAT. There is nothing good that can come out of an MCAT retake. Put your efforts elsewhere.
 
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This is do or die. With a failure at an off-shore school on your AMCAS application and a GPA of < 3.5 in a post-bac, it won't matter if you score 524 on the MCAT. There is nothing good that can come out of an MCAT retake. Put your efforts elsewhere.
Wow even though I qualified for Fee Assistance Program and have resources to do well on the MCAT, I should still forgo the MCAT?
 
Wow even though I qualified for Fee Assistance Program and have resources to do well on the MCAT, I should still forgo the MCAT?

Just because it is free, doesn't mean it will help your application, and it doesn't mean that prepping for it will be a good use of your time.
 
No, you won't. MD schools will want to see a nice fat MCAT score (513+) AND you aceing the program (3.7+).

You'd be dead meat at school even with a .4.0 because most of my Adcom will think that you wanted the MD more than the DO degree. You might have some luck with the newer DO programs, but I'm kinda skeptical. I also have to add the caveat that in my own SMP's experience, getting a 3.0 to 3.4 would mean you would struggle in med school and Boards. Given that you already have a red flag of doing poorly in a med school environment (such as it was), you need to go into this with eyes wide open.


The goal is to help me reapply in case I do not get the required 3.5 needed to matriculate. If I was to get 3.0 to 3.4 and do well on the MCAT then I could reapply to med schools again
 
Touro MS Program
No, you won't. MD schools will want to see a nice fat MCAT score (513+) AND you aceing the program (3.7+).

You'd be dead meat at school even with a .4.0 because most of my Adcom will think that you wanted the MD more than the DO degree. You might have some luck with the newer DO programs, but I'm kinda skeptical. I also have to add the caveat that in my own SMP's experience, getting a 3.0 to 3.4 would mean you would struggle in med school and Boards. Given that you already have a red flag of doing poorly in a med school environment (such as it was), you need to go into this with eyes wide open.

Goro, are you familiar with the above program? it sounds like it's a linkage program with a DO school? does this change your advice?
 
The masters program may not have asked about the off-shore med school. Second chances are sometimes luck but hopefully OP will take the opportunity
OP's best bet is with the linkage.
The AMCAS ap will include the Caribbean transcript.

i guess i'm surprised as to how OP got into a linkage program with past history of Caribbean failure. if OP didn't disclose it, wouldn't the school punish him for failing to report past failures? if OP did disclose it and got accepted regardless, it's good news because it shows that there are schools and linkage programs that reward a second chance. not sure how many such programs there are.
 
i guess i'm surprised as to how OP got into a linkage program with past history of Caribbean failure. if OP didn't disclose it, wouldn't the school punish him for failing to report past failures? if OP did disclose it and got accepted regardless, it's good news because it shows that there are schools and linkage programs that reward a second chance. not sure how many such programs there are.
If the SMP offered a contract without asking about previous matriculation, OP got a windfall. He needs to go for broke and not let anything else divert attention from the 3.5 needed to matriculate.
 
i guess i'm surprised as to how OP got into a linkage program with past history of Caribbean failure. if OP didn't disclose it, wouldn't the school punish him for failing to report past failures? if OP did disclose it and got accepted regardless, it's good news because it shows that there are schools and linkage programs that reward a second chance. not sure how many such programs there are.
They know I matriculated in SGU and even sent them my transcript. I built a strong connection with the administration by constantly going there as I live close to the school.
 
If they offered a contract without asking about previous matriculation, OP just got a windfall.

so the school wouldn't find out about OP's past history and retroactively punish him? because by doing so, the school could land up in trouble?

EDIT: never mind see below

They know I matriculated in SGU and even sent them my transcript. I built a strong connection with the administration by constantly going there as I live close to the school.

whew, congrats OP! just wanted to be safe
 
This is an interesting question! I'm not familiar with the Touro MS program, other than all three TouroCOMs have them. I thought only LECOM-E had an auto-matriculate with a good GPA, among the COMs that have SMPs.

At my school, OP would need a 3.5 or better to get an interview, and if s/he did well in the program, shadowed one of our DOs, attended some of the OMM labs, I think we'd be more open to an accept. IF OP did not include the Carib transcripts, then I suspect that we'd rescind the accept, or dismiss her/him after matriculation.
EDIT: text in bold now merely hypothetical.

Goro, are you familiar with the above program? it sounds like it's a linkage program with a DO school? does this change your advice?

i guess i'm surprised as to how OP got into a linkage program with past history of Caribbean failure. if OP didn't disclose it, wouldn't the school punish him for failing to report past failures? if OP did disclose it and got accepted regardless, it's good news because it shows that there are schools and linkage programs that reward a second chance. not sure how many such programs there are.
 
so the school wouldn't find out about OP's past history and retroactively punish him? because by doing so, the school could land up in trouble?
It they didn't ask, they have only themselves to blame.
If they know about it, they have only themselves to blame.
 
No it's not. I only need to get a 3.5 or above GPA to matriculate into their med school class.

If retaking the MCAT is not a requirement for matriculation, why would you want to re-take it? From what you are saying, you only need a 3.5 GPA to matriculate into their medical school class. If that is true, dedicate all of your time to achieving that 3.5. In fact, shoot for a 3.8+ so that even if you miss that by a little bit, you will still be well above the 3.5 minimum. It sounds like you have been given a second chance, so take it and run.
 
If retaking the MCAT is not a requirement for matriculation, why would you want to re-take it? From what you are saying, you only need a 3.5 GPA to matriculate into their medical school class. If that is true, dedicate all of your time to achieving that 3.5. In fact, shoot for a 3.8+ so that even if you miss that by a little bit, you will still be well above the 3.5 minimum. It sounds like you have been given a second chance, so take it and run.
Am retaking it so that I could still apply to other schools in case the worst happens and I do not make the 3.5 but end up between 3.2 to 3.4. It's more of like a back up plan.
 
Am retaking it so that I could still apply to other schools in case the worst happens and I do not make the 3.5 but end up between 3.2 to 3.4. It's more of like a back up plan.
I think the point most are trying to make is that, with your past, you would have essentially zero chance at gaining an acceptance with a sub 3.5 SMP GPA so you need to put all effort into this opportunity.
 
I think the point most are trying to make is that, with your past, you would have essentially zero chance at gaining an acceptance with a sub 3.5 SMP GPA so you need to put all effort into this opportunity.
Oh okay that makes sense. Now could you guys advise me on how to approach studying? Been watching Dr Najeeb videos so far but what else can i do to be more prepared?
 
This is an interesting question! I'm not familiar with the Touro MS program, other than all three TouroCOMs have them. I thought only LECOM-E had an auto-matriculate with a good GPA, among the COMs that have SMPs.

At my school, OP would need a 3.5 or better to get an interview, and if s/he did well in the program, shadowed one of our DOs, attended some of the OMM labs, I think we'd be more open to an accept. IF OP did not include the Carib transcripts, then I suspect that we'd rescind the accept, or dismiss her/him after matriculation.
EDIT: text in bold now merely hypothetical.

Yes, Touro-Harlem/Middletown offers a seat in their DO class if a student completes their MS program with a 3.5+ GPA and passes a comprehensive exam. It's easier said than done though, as this program, like other MS programs, is very competitive.

MS Program

Here is my question: If OP did not include/disclose his Carib transcript (I know he did in this case), then can AACOMAS/AMCAS see he/she attended another school, based on their name or SS#? Thanks!
 
I don't know if the national clearing house gets info from the Carib schools, or other international schools. @gyngyn? @gonnif? Any thoughts?

Applicants would still have to account for their time though. A missing year would require a very good explanation.

I now recall seeing someone post very recently that the Touro-NY MS program has courses that grade on a curve?


Yes, Touro-Harlem/Middletown offers a seat in their DO class if a student completes their MS program with a 3.5+ GPA and passes a comprehensive exam. It's easier said than done though, as this program, like other MS programs, is very competitive.

MS Program

Here is my question: If OP did not include/disclose his Carib transcript (I know he did in this case), then can AACOMAS/AMCAS see he/she attended another school, based on their name or SS#? Thanks!
 
I don't know if the national clearing house gets info from the Carib schools, or other international schools. @gyngyn? @gonnif? Any thoughts?

Applicants would still have to account for their time though. A missing year would require a very good explanation.

I now recall seeing someone post very recently that the Touro-NY MS program has courses that grade on a curve?

Yup, it seems that way according to the current MS students:

TouroCOM Master's Program

I hope OP goes through that thread.
 
Yup, it seems that way according to the current MS students:

TouroCOM Master's Program

I hope OP goes through that thread.

What's up prospective master's students, current Middletown MS student here! I would like to share my experience in this program, for those interested. First of all, I would like you guys/gals, to be aware of something. The grading curve in this program is different than the grading curve for the DO students, so you will be competing with each other. As other MS students have mentioned. You will be graded on a B+ curve, and in order to get at least an A- in every class (which amounts to a 3.67 overall at the end of the semester), you will have to get at least half a standard deviation above the average for the class. So for example, The average for our first anatomy exam this semester was almost a 90 and the standard was around 7.8, so we would need at least 94 in order to get an A-. In order to get an A, we can literally miss one question only! The competition in this program is insane and the amount of material which you will be learning in a short period of time is immense! If you're the type of student that needs time to really learn the material, start studying during the summer!!! What makes this program so competitive, is the people whom you will be competing against. In this program, you will find people from ivy league schools, you will find people with other master's degrees who have a very strong background in the material you'll be studying , you will even find people who could've easily made it into other medical school, or have made it (I know 2 people who were accepted into tother medical schools before starting this program), but decided to do the master's program because they applied late, so couldn't make it into the DO program. You will even find people who are repeating the program because they missed the 3.5 gpa by a bit and didn't matriculate into the DO program in the prior year. You will be competing with people who have amazing stats, but might be lacking in their interview skills which prevented their acceptance at other schools. You will be competing against people who have interviewed for the DO program, but were waitlisted, so they decided to do the master's for direct admission. Those are the kinds of people whom you will be competing with, so just keep that in mind. I would advise everyone who will be starting this program, to really study hard for the MCAT, if that's your only hinderance, and retake it before this program, to have a back up plan just in case you don't make it. I know a few people in my class who have been accepted to other schools. If your gpa is the only hinderance, and you have a decent MCAT, I advise you to look into other master's programs. In order to make the 3.5 gpa in this program, you literally have to be outcompeting, not only your class, but the DO class as well! My point is, please please please make sure you have a backup plan before starting this program and make sure you've explored other options as well. For those wondering, I am a middletown student, and only 25 people made the gpa for the first semester out of 75 students. As of now, we only have 68 students. For our class, only 25 people will make the 3.5 by the end of the semester, and the school will accept an extra 15, who have applied for AACOMAS. But for prospective MS students, there will be a cap of 35 students who will make into the DO program for the upcoming years. If anyone has a question, please feel free to ask. Also, I apologize if this post has intimidated some of you, but I'm being very honest, so you guys would get a glimpse of what you're up against.

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Graded on a curve and only the top ~1/3 of students get in? Can't imagine how cut throat it must be there.
 
Dude... You have the biggest second chance you could ever ask for staring you in the face.

If you don't get a 3.5, you blew it. If this second chance can't light a fire under you, and you don't make the required GPA, then you clearly don't want to be a doctor.

Forget about the MCAT and competitiveness. Succeed now or perish.

No it's not. I only need to get a 3.5 or above GPA to matriculate into their med school class.

The goal is to help me reapply in case I do not get the required 3.5 needed to matriculate. If I was to get 3.0 to 3.4 and do well on the MCAT then I could reapply to med schools again
 
So let me understand your logic...

You are afraid that you won't earn a 3.5+ GPA, so you would rather 'rock' the MCAT. And you are delusional enough to believe that if you score below a 3.5 as a former medical school dropout and 'rock' the MCAT, you would gain an acceptance elsewhere?

If I were an advisor and you were in my office, I would tell you to wrap it up and find something else to do.

There is nothing worse than someone who wants an easy way out of a second chance.
 
Why in god's name would you think about taking the MCAT again? You are NOT going to be able to get into a medical school through the formal application process after your withdrawal from SGU. THIS IS YOUR ONLY HOPE. You have essentially been given a 2nd chance and a golden ticket. Study your butt off, get a 3.5+ and go to Touro. This is do or die.
 
The master's program does grade on a curve, so they use the average and the standard deviation to determine your letter grade.

Average + Full Standard Deviation is an A
Average + Half SD is A-
Average B+
Average - half SD is B
Average - full SD is a B-

On multiple exams, the average was an 84 with a standard deviation of 12, so you had to have a 96 for an A and a 90 for a A-. Please note that the entire lecture set up is reverse classroom as well so you watch the lectures at home and do clickers during 'class'.
The neuro class is the hardest one of the year because the lectures are poorly done, so you have to use the textbook to do well. Also, just to note, they are changing the program next year so that only the top 35 people in the class will matriculate into the program, so it doesn't matter if you get the GPA if you are number 36.
 
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