Return of Service length/Changes?

[Blitz2006]

Hey guys,

So I gather the Return of Service is still 5 years for any speciality apart from FM.

So whats this new 'change' that McGuinty brought in: http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/news/release/2010/mar/nr_20100305.aspx

Does this mean I could do my RoS in Downtown Toronto? Is it still only 5 years?

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[BoyInTheBubble]

It's 5 years for everyone.

No GTA, no Ottawa.

 

[Giemsa]

So whats this new 'change' that McGuinty brought in: http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/news/release/2010/mar/nr_20100305.aspx

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/news/release/2010/mar/bg_20100305_2.pdf

In contrast to the past, where only "underserviced area" communities could recruit IMGs, under the new program "all communities in Ontario, other than the Toronto area and Ottawa, [will be eligible to] recruit international medical graduates . . . who have to fulfill return of service (ROS) commitments."

Note that the "Toronto area is defined as the City of Toronto as well as Mississauga, Brampton, Vaughan, Markham and Pickering."

So what does this mean? It means that additional communities are becoming eligible to participate in the ROS process. Note that does NOT say that you will be able to work in whichever community (outside GTA or Ottawa) you like; it says that any community (outside GTA or Ottawa) is eligible to recruit you, should they desire to. You will still need to pick from the available list of communities, but ostensibly that list should be longer with more variation.

 

[Blitz2006]

Thanks for the info guys,

So basically now I can theoretically do RoS in a place like Hamilton, whereas before I didn't have that option.

So if I do Family Medicine residency in Canada (2 years), RoS is still 5 years? Its not 2 years? I thought RoS = number of residency years.


Thanks again!

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/news/release/2010/mar/bg_20100305_2.pdf

In contrast to the past, where only "underserviced area" communities could recruit IMGs, under the new program "all communities in Ontario, other than the Toronto area and Ottawa, [will be eligible to] recruit international medical graduates . . . who have to fulfill return of service (ROS) commitments."

Note that the "Toronto area is defined as the City of Toronto as well as Mississauga, Brampton, Vaughan, Markham and Pickering."

So what does this mean? It means that additional communities are becoming eligible to participate in the ROS process. Note that does NOT say that you will be able to work in whichever community (outside GTA or Ottawa) you like; it says that any community (outside GTA or Ottawa) is eligible to recruit you, should they desire to. You will still need to pick from the available list of communities, but ostensibly that list should be longer with more variation.

 

[docbill]

Thanks for the info guys,

So basically now I can theoretically do RoS in a place like Hamilton, whereas before I didn't have that option.

So if I do Family Medicine residency in Canada (2 years), RoS is still 5 years? Its not 2 years? I thought RoS = number of residency years.


Thanks again!

Nope it is all 5 years now.

 

[Blitz2006]

Hey docbill,

Thx for quick response.

Seriously? Its all 5 years now? Damn, thanks.

Nope it is all 5 years now.

 

[Jocks]

Hey docbill,

Thx for quick response.

Seriously? Its all 5 years now? Damn, thanks.

Only in Ontario. All other provinces are year-for-year.

 

[docbill]

Only in Ontario. All other provinces are year-for-year.

Yes. I was talking of Ontario only.

Cause Manitoba doesn't have ROS at all.

 

[CORNELLIOUS]

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/news/release/2010/mar/bg_20100305_2.pdf

In contrast to the past, where only "underserviced area" communities could recruit IMGs, under the new program "all communities in Ontario, other than the Toronto area and Ottawa, [will be eligible to] recruit international medical graduates . . . who have to fulfill return of service (ROS) commitments."

Note that the "Toronto area is defined as the City of Toronto as well as Mississauga, Brampton, Vaughan, Markham and Pickering."

So what does this mean? It means that additional communities are becoming eligible to participate in the ROS process. Note that does NOT say that you will be able to work in whichever community (outside GTA or Ottawa) you like; it says that any community (outside GTA or Ottawa) is eligible to recruit you, should they desire to. You will still need to pick from the available list of communities, but ostensibly that list should be longer with more variation.

HI
I think this might be a stupid question.
But I don't get it, who recruits us. Do we still have to go through CaRMs? OR is it like another recruiting program specific for the ROS program?

thanks

 

[med2UCC]

HI
I think this might be a stupid question.
But I don't get it, who recruits us. Do we still have to go through CaRMs? OR is it like another recruiting program specific for the ROS program?

thanks

You go through CaRMS. After you match, you sign a RoS contract stating that nearer the time you finish your program you will be given some options of places to go. Meanwhile every health district that needs someone in your specialty will be trying to find out who you are and where you are and if you will come to their community. At Dal, for example, each year the family medicine residents go to an education weekend. As part of this, all the health districts in Nova Scotia and a few from New Brunswick have tables at a job fair one afternoon. They all run some kind of raffle and hand out freebies like maple sugar and canvas totes and sticky notes and frisbees (and apples and fudge and pens and water bottles and memory sticks and ...). They all get you to enter the draw, then send you email periodically inviting you to come visit their community (at their expense) to see what it has to offer. Eventually the DoH rounds you up to get a committment and you say "I want to go to community A" and they try to talk you out of it because community B is so much worse off. Some kind of agreement is reached and you go off to work your two years, then move to Toronto (a cynical observation based on my experience over the past 2 years of observing lots of docs on contract do just that).
Clearer? Cheers,
M

 

[TheTruthIs]

I think that the changes will mostly benefit children of doctors in Southern Ontario that went abroad for school, the rest of IMGs are still screwed. If you have mom/dad who can vouche that your training is desired in the community that helps a lot.

 

[docbill]

I think that the changes will mostly benefit children of doctors in Southern Ontario that went abroad for school, the rest of IMGs are still screwed. If you have mom/dad who can vouche that your training is desired in the community that helps a lot.

Yup that is always the case. But not just by them vouching that it is an undeserved, they can just buy out the contract. In Ontario 5k/month of residency training. 60k/year... therefore 120k for FM, 240 for IM, 300k for Surgery, Radiology, etc..

 

[Arb]

What's the verdict with fellowships? Say you do an internal medicine residency, will you be able to pursue a fellowship in Ontario? FYI, Dalhousie IM ROS is for general internal medicine so no fellowships.