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Rising second year here... I had a question regarding publications. I know the residency app isn't exactly around the corner yet, but I'm curious as to how residency programs consider review articles as publications? I have 3 papers published from an Infectious Disease lab I used to work in, but I'm starting in an orthopedics lab this month. The first little thing I've been asked to do is write a review on a particular advancement in the field. How are those viewed in comparison to peer-reviewed scientific publications? I assume they're less meaningful, but are they totally useless?

Thanks!
 
Not useless at all, very good actually. In-between original investigations and case reports in terms of prestige.

Congrats, it will indeed look very good on your app.
 
Rising second year here... I had a question regarding publications. I know the residency app isn't exactly around the corner yet, but I'm curious as to how residency programs consider review articles as publications? I have 3 papers published from an Infectious Disease lab I used to work in, but I'm starting in an orthopedics lab this month. The first little thing I've been asked to do is write a review on a particular advancement in the field. How are those viewed in comparison to peer-reviewed scientific publications? I assume they're less meaningful, but are they totally useless?
Thanks!

Is this a colloquialism? Seen it a few times here, but never heard it in person in this context.
 
Is this a colloquialism? Seen it a few times here, but never heard it in person in this context.

As far as I understand it, "colloquial" means informal and non-literal. I think the use of "rising" in this way is actually pretty literal... which would mean it's not a colloquialism.

FWIW, I've heard it used in person. It's also easier to type than "in between first and second year."
 
As far as I understand it, "colloquial" means informal and non-literal. I think the use of "rising" in this way is actually pretty literal... which would mean it's not a colloquialism.

FWIW, I've heard it used in person. It's also easier to type than "in between first and second year."

Hm, I used it to mean a regional expression, but I do see what you mean. I've never seen it used literally.
col·lo·qui·al·ism
noun \-ˈlō-kwē-ə-ˌli-zəm\
: a word or phrase that is used mostly in informal speech : a colloquial expression

colloquial expression

b : a local or regional dialect expression

I think it's pretty redundant to say either. It's like like the joke 'every picture of you is one in which you were younger', but that wasn't my point.

Thanks.
 
Hm, I used it to mean a regional expression, but I do see what you mean. I've never seen it used literally.
col·lo·qui·al·ism
noun \-ˈlō-kwē-ə-ˌli-zəm\
: a word or phrase that is used mostly in informal speech : a colloquial expression

colloquial expression

b : a local or regional dialect expression

I think it's pretty redundant to say either. It's like like the joke 'every picture of you is one in which you were younger', but that wasn't my point.

Thanks.

Interesting, it seems the definition of "colloquialism" and what I thought it meant vary somewhat.

Anyway, I'm assuming usage of the phrase in the OP varies regionally, which might explain why you've seen it here but haven't really heard it IRL.
 
I'm just gonna throw this out there - I freaking hate review articles.

In a lot of ways I actually find them more labor intensive than a regular old manuscript. But you somehow get less credit for them.

/End rant
Really? I think they're excellent summaries of stuff. How are they more labor intensive? Unless you try to look up every footnote.

Edit: Realized you meant more labor intensive to write.
 
I'm writing a giant review article right now. As much work as it is, I can't imagine how much worse it would be without the internet and EndNote. How were decent review articles even possible 30 years ago?
 
Same boat here. PI asked me to write a review article (anesthesiology). What journal are you going to submit your review article to? I'm just trying to get an idea of which journals accept review articles from students.
 
Would you all consider meta-analyeses as prestigious as a review article on a residency app? Or where do they fall on the scale? It's my understanding that students don't typically do them...
 
Would you all consider meta-analyeses as prestigious as a review article on a residency app? Or where do they fall on the scale? It's my understanding that students don't typically do them...

I think Meta Analyses fall higher than normal review articles, because you are doing quite a bit of statistics in there, like you would with an original investigation.
 
I think Meta Analyses fall higher than normal review articles, because you are doing quite a bit of statistics in there, like you would with an original investigation.

Is it common for students to be involved in meta-analyses or original investigations? Also how common is it for them to be the first author? I guess I assume that would be nearly impossible for an original investigation. I know literally nothing about residency apps and how various forms of research look on them, so getting the chance to hear residents' thoughts on this matter is sick. I'm going to be the first author on a meta-analysis and merely chose to do so because I was interested in the topic and love stats, so just trying to figure out where it stands in the grand scheme on achievement in terms of research for a student.
 
Same boat here. PI asked me to write a review article (anesthesiology). What journal are you going to submit your review article to? I'm just trying to get an idea of which journals accept review articles from students.
Google 'medical student journals', there are a few of them
 
Is it common for students to be involved in meta-analyses or original investigations? Also how common is it for them to be the first author? I guess I assume that would be nearly impossible for an original investigation. I know literally nothing about residency apps and how various forms of research look on them, so getting the chance to hear residents' thoughts on this matter is sick. I'm going to be the first author on a meta-analysis and merely chose to do so because I was interested in the topic and love stats, so just trying to figure out where it stands in the grand scheme on achievement in terms of research for a student.

Look at my signature. I'm an incoming intern. I was a med student a month ago. I changed my status because we started orientation and I figured I'd forget once I actually started. So while I've been through the application process, I haven't seen a lot of applications, so you should not take my word as gold.

Whether you are first author or not (theoretically) has to do with how much of the paper you write. Med students, especially in their fourth year, tend to have more time to write than residents and attendings, so it tends to be easier to get that first author position. Whether you can get it for an original investigation depends on what the original investigation is (retrospective analysis vs prospective analysis, etc), but yes, it's more rare, since they tend to be long trials.

In terms of how much effort goes into the papers, a case report is considered the easiest, because it's a single case (or a small series of cases), with a short literature review. They tend not to need IRB approval, you don't do any data analysis, etc.

Reviews are above that, because they are more time consuming and require a much more in-depth review of the literature. But, since you're not generally looking at individual patients, you also generally don't need IRB approval, and still aren't doing data analysis. It can be difficult for students to get first author on these, since they are often requested, rather than written and submitted, unless they go to a journal designed for student authors.

Meta analyses have you actually crunching numbers, so I'd say they're above a standard review paper.

The rest are all on their own spectrum that tends to vary depending on how much you actually did. My roommate did a study completely on her own, from getting IRB approval to designing and collecting the data, to crunching the numbers, to writing the paper (she had someone to go to for help, but she was left to do everything basically on her own). She did a survey, which made the actual data collection fairly simple. Those doing chart reviews have a more time intensive job, but are less likely to have done the designing part of the study, even if they do the rest. Then, there's prospective studies, which are even less likely to have been designed by the student, and probably do fewer other things as well, since the PIs tend to recruit help during the patient recruitment phase. Thus, a student has likely moved on before the paper can be written or submitted, so it's less likely the student will be first author.

So, any research on your CV will help you (having none may harm you in some circumstances), and the more involved you are, the better it looks. Just be sure you know what the study is so you can actually talk about it when it comes time to interview.
 
Is it common for students to be involved in meta-analyses or original investigations? Also how common is it for them to be the first author? I guess I assume that would be nearly impossible for an original investigation. I know literally nothing about residency apps and how various forms of research look on them, so getting the chance to hear residents' thoughts on this matter is sick. I'm going to be the first author on a meta-analysis and merely chose to do so because I was interested in the topic and love stats, so just trying to figure out where it stands in the grand scheme on achievement in terms of research for a student.

Blech. The med students at my institution seem to consider first authored publications a god-given right, even though they really don't do any of the analysis and expect you hold their hand through revising 87 poorly written drafts.

Kids these days.
 
Blech. The med students at my institution seem to consider first authored publications a god-given right, even though they really don't do any of the analysis and expect you hold their hand through revising 87 poorly written drafts.

Kids these days.
Those are the worst. It's not like there aren't books written on this stuff either. Although bad writing skills in a medical student this late in the game can't be fixed by a resident. And to think they actually took the essay portion off the MCAT. SMH.
 
Those are the worst. It's not like there aren't books written on this stuff either. Although bad writing skills in a medical student this late in the game can't be fixed by a resident. And to think they actually took the essay portion off the MCAT. SMH.

Actually I think they got rid of it several years ago...
 
Actually I think they got rid of it several years ago...
I know. My point is that it's the one last filter to actually see whether incoming medical students are able to write coherent sentences with complete thoughts(which even then isn't perfect) right before they get on the merry-go-round of medical school. We've now effectively removed that filter.
 
I know. My point is that it's the one last filter to actually see whether incoming medical students are able to write coherent sentences with complete thoughts(which even then isn't perfect) right before they get on the merry-go-round of medical school. We've now effectively removed that filter.

Ah, I see what you mean. I would make an argument for secondaries, but I'm assuming not much time is spent reading them when schools have thousands and thousands of them to review.
 
Blech. The med students at my institution seem to consider first authored publications a god-given right, even though they really don't do any of the analysis and expect you hold their hand through revising 87 poorly written drafts.

Kids these days.

I'm literally doing 99.9 % of the work, and was only given the opportunity to do so based on past performance in math/stats. I agree with you though about most people thinking that though.
 
I know. My point is that it's the one last filter to actually see whether incoming medical students are able to write coherent sentences with complete thoughts(which even then isn't perfect) right before they get on the merry-go-round of medical school. We've now effectively removed that filter.

We had 8 pg group papers to write , and I would re-write 4-5 pages of my groups writing every single time. I don't understand how medical students end up writing on a 7th grade level. I don't even consider myself a good writer, but some of the sentences were so poor, I knew English teachers I had in HS would give me a C if I turned it in.
 
We had 8 pg group papers to write , and I would re-write 4-5 pages of my groups writing every single time. I don't understand how medical students end up writing on a 7th grade level. I don't even consider myself a good writer, but some of the sentences were so poor, I knew English teachers I had in HS would give me a C if I turned it in.
Group papers (I'm assuming you're talking about during the basic science courses) are the WORST. Had the very same experience you had. And these were people who went to great universities which I am 100% sure had a writing skills lab.
 
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