RFK's new vaccine panel...recommends.....RSV vaccine for kids?!

[AlmostAnMD]

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In surprise move, RFK Jr.'s vaccine committee votes to recommend RSV shot for infants

The eight new ACIP members met for the first time June 25 after Kennedy fired all 17 original members of the committee June 9.

www.yahoo.com

Relevant to EM since you will all see RSV


I'm honestly floored

For those of you not following politics, RFK fired the entire HHS vaccine panel which led most to assume no vaccine would ever be recommended again, since vaccine skeptics occupy it.

Then they turned right around and immediately recommend all infants get the RSV shot

Is it a fluke? Or is RFK slowly pulling his head out of his ass on vaccines? His stance on food safety most docs I talk to find admirable, just need him to come around to vaccines, and this is a good sign....

 

[Jabbed]

In surprise move, RFK Jr.'s vaccine committee votes to recommend RSV shot for infants

The eight new ACIP members met for the first time June 25 after Kennedy fired all 17 original members of the committee June 9.

www.yahoo.com

Relevant to EM since you will all see RSV


I'm honestly floored

For those of you not following politics, RFK fired the entire HHS vaccine panel which led most to assume no vaccine would ever be recommended again, since vaccine skeptics occupy it.

Then they turned right around and immediately recommend all infants get the RSV shot

Is it a fluke? Or is RFK slowly pulling his head out of his ass on vaccines? His stance on food safety most docs I talk to find admirable, just need him to come around to vaccines, and this is a good sign....

They also recommended annual flu vaccine. Bunch of quacks. 😏

 

[thegenius]

In surprise move, RFK Jr.'s vaccine committee votes to recommend RSV shot for infants

The eight new ACIP members met for the first time June 25 after Kennedy fired all 17 original members of the committee June 9.

www.yahoo.com

Relevant to EM since you will all see RSV


I'm honestly floored

For those of you not following politics, RFK fired the entire HHS vaccine panel which led most to assume no vaccine would ever be recommended again, since vaccine skeptics occupy it.

Then they turned right around and immediately recommend all infants get the RSV shot

Is it a fluke? Or is RFK slowly pulling his head out of his ass on vaccines? His stance on food safety most docs I talk to find admirable, just need him to come around to vaccines, and this is a good sign....

No no no...He is a total skeptic but he can't run HHS without advisory groups. I was surprised by this. We are still going to get total lies coming out of their administration though.

 

[Dragonite7]

An advisory panel recently appointed by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. voted on Thursday to walk back longstanding recommendations for flu vaccines containing an ingredient that the anti-vaccine movement has falsely linked to autism.

Presentations at the meetings are generally made by C.D.C. staff members. But among the speakers on Thursday was Lyn Redwood, a former leader of Children’s Health Defense, the anti-vaccine group founded by Mr. Kennedy.

Ms. Redwood, who has been hired as a special employee at the Health and Human Services Department, alleged in the meeting that thimerosal was toxic and dangerous to children.

In another unusual move, Martin Kulldorff, the panel’s chair, proposed that the members vote to stop allowing the use of a vaccine for measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox for children under 4. That combination vaccine has been available since 2005. ... The panelists are expected to vote on the vaccine’s use at a future meeting.

The U.S. health secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has moved to undermine public immunization programs in the United States, took his efforts global on Wednesday, accusing the leading international vaccine organization of having “ignored the science” in immunizing children around the world. Mr. Kennedy accused Gavi’s leaders of being selective in their use of science to support vaccine choices, and said that the United States would not deliver on a $1.2 billion pledge made by the Biden administration until the organization changed its processes.

Nah, RFK's agenda is well underway. Just piece by piece.

 

[xaelia]

It's not exactly a vaccine in the traditional sense, though it functions/fits the definition of a vaccine –

It's a monoclonal antibody, so I suspect it somewhat bypasses their idea of it "programming" your immune system etc.

Half-life is about 70 days; protects for about one RSV season (long enough to get infants through the highest-risk period, anyway).

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Nah, RFK's agenda is well underway. Just piece by piece.

Ok, so you guys here aren't as familiar with childhood vaccines as those of us in primary care, so I'll address this.

Almost all of us use single dose flu shots which do not contain any preservatives so this should have minimal effect.

Almost no one uses the MMRV for the first dose (age 1). Almost everyone uses it for the second dose (age 4). Adverse events are higher at age 1 compared to MMR and varicella separately at that age. It's weird, but there it is. In 15 years I've never worked anywhere that did the combination vaccine for dose 1. So stopping it for kids under 4 shouldn't have much of an effect either.

Withholding that money sucks and at first glance is inexcusable.

 

[ERMudPhud]

It's not exactly a vaccine in the traditional sense, though it functions/fits the definition of a vaccine –

It's a monoclonal antibody, so I suspect it somewhat bypasses their idea of it "programming" your immune system etc.

Half-life is about 70 days; protects for about one RSV season (long enough to get infants through the highest-risk period, anyway).

Exactly this. It's not a vaccine. It's passive immunization with a monoclonal. Somehow that's OK with the anti-vaccine crowd. Most of them couldn't tell you what a monoclonal is, how its made, or what other chemicals are in the vial but it doesn't matter. Forget about explaining the difference between passive and active immunization. They just know this is somehow different and therefore OK. Remember during the slightly later days of the pandemic when most people were vaccinated and the only ones who weren't were still coming to the ED to get infused with various monoclonals when they would get COVID? As part of the consent I used to tell everyone. "This is not FDA approved. Its still experimental. We have no idea what side effects it might have. It was developed at least in part using cell lines derived many years ago from aborted fetuses." Despite the fact that they used all those same arguments to turn down the vaccine almost none of them turned down the monoclonals when they were sick.

 

[TooMuchResearch]

Exactly this. It's not a vaccine. It's passive immunization with a monoclonal. Somehow that's OK with the anti-vaccine crowd. Most of them couldn't tell you what a monoclonal is, how its made, or what other chemicals are in the vial but it doesn't matter. Forget about explaining the difference between passive and active immunization. They just know this is somehow different and therefore OK. Remember during the slightly later days of the pandemic when most people were vaccinated and the only ones who weren't were still coming to the ED to get infused with various monoclonals when they would get COVID? As part of the consent I used to tell everyone. "This is not FDA approved. Its still experimental. We have no idea what side effects it might have. It was developed at least in part using cell lines derived many years ago from aborted fetuses." Despite the fact that they used all those same arguments to turn down the vaccine almost none of them turned down the monoclonals when they were sick.

I still remember a few dying people using their last words to try to yell at me about how covid wasn't real. Sounds good, I'll go ahead and get you admitted, here comes the (whatever form of high flow or NIPPV we were using at the time), bye.

 

[DocEspana]

Ok, so you guys here aren't as familiar with childhood vaccines as those of us in primary care, so I'll address this.

Almost all of us use single dose flu shots which do not contain any preservatives so this should have minimal effect.

Almost no one uses the MMRV for the first dose (age 1). Almost everyone uses it for the second dose (age 4). Adverse events are higher at age 1 compared to MMR and varicella separately at that age. It's weird, but there it is. In 15 years I've never worked anywhere that did the combination vaccine for dose 1. So stopping it for kids under 4 shouldn't have much of an effect either.

Withholding that money sucks and at first glance is inexcusable.

a relatively prominent pediatric allergist (if youve been on the doctor social medias enough youve probably run past him) points out that while flu vaccines stabilized with mercury containing compounds are quite rare in the US (and no non-flu vaccines use it at all any longer) they do get used in two situations. 1) some utility within the US for kids allergic to the standard flu vaccine as there is generally no cross-reactivity. this is the main use of it in the US and 2) it is manufactured a ton in the US still because we export those vaccines to tropical climates across the world where the standard vaccine is just too sensitive to temperature changes to reliably be shipped to rural/underdeveloped areas.

He says as an allergist he cares about #1, but on a broader level the actions taken will likely stop our production of it for use internationally which could, once again, lead to deaths in the 3rd world because of 1st world problems that we only think effect us but are largely not even real in the US.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

a relatively prominent pediatric allergist (if youve been on the doctor social medias enough youve probably run past him)

And you've lost me.

So it depends on what type of allergy we're talking about but long story short we have pretty much every type of flu vaccine available in single dose vials that are preservative free with every combination of inactive ingredients so whatever you're allergic to when have a single dose option that lacks that thing.

 

[DocEspana]

And you've lost me.

So it depends on what type of allergy we're talking about but long story short we have pretty much every type of flu vaccine available in single dose vials that are preservative free with every combination of inactive ingredients so whatever you're allergic to when have a single dose option that lacks that thing.

This guy is a really popular social media influencer. A pediatric allergist and is as nerdy as he looks

On the other hand... What you don't expect is that he is JACKED

 

[sloh]

Jacked or fat arm?

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

This guy is a really popular social media influencer. A pediatric allergist and is as nerdy as he looks

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On the other hand... What you don't expect is that he is JACKED
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That makes me trust him even less.

 

[DocEspana]

Jacked or fat arm?

It's a low res image but that looks like it has some bicep definition. But maybe he just has that brachial adiposity

 

[Apollyon]

He looks like Justin Warner, the chef.

 

[JacobMcCandles]

Jacked or fat arm?

Swollen arm from 38 COVID boosters?

 

[AlmostAnMD]

Swollen arm from 38 COVID boosters?

I remember reading about a homeless guy that got over 100 covid shots because someone thought it was a good idea to pay people to get them and took a while to see repeat customers.

If anything, the story did a lot for my view of vaccine safety! No myocarditis after 100 shots in a few months? Sure, give me one lol