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Why did you choose this program over a Dr.PH? The DHsc looks interesting, I was not familiar with it. Is it more geared towards mid-level practitioners? How far are you in the program and what are your thoughts?
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I don't have an mph.
the DHSc allows for a focus in global health, my area of interest. I am in my third semester of the program and enjoying it. the DHSc is open to anyone with an ms and clinical interests. my current class includes hospital administrators, pa's, rn's, mph/public health folks, dental practitioners. prior grads have included physicians, the assistant surgeon general of the u.s., high ranking military officers, medical school faculty , etc
Ah, I see. What would be the major difference in curriculum between a DrPH with a global health emphasis and the DHSc with global health focus? Is one better suited for academia, if that should be an interest down the road? I'd be curious to know why the mph students in your class chose it over the PH route. I'm curious because I was looking to dual degree an mph with podiatry, but the one school's mph program is not accredited.
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pursuit of a DHSc has nothing to do with being a pa. it is open to anyone with a masters in a health related field and is purely academic in nature. there are nurses, public health professionals, dental hygienists, hospital administrators, etc in my class.
it's not being advertised as an avenue to independent practice in all fields and all settings like the dnp(which is only open to nurses). no one who finishes a DHSc believes it makes them capable of independent practice. folks get a DHSc to work in administration, teaching, research, international or govt. service. it's like getting a PhD or DrPH.
the comparison you may have been trying to make is to the DSc granted by baylor university which is a clinical doctorate for pa's based on an 18 month full time emergency medicine residency and completion of a doctoral thesis. that would be a fair comparison(although grads of this program do not practice independently or use the "Dr." title in clinical settings.)
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What school, exactly, that offers the DNP, has "advertised" the DNP as an avenue to independent practice?
As do those who get DNP's. You are raising the same strawman argument that most of those with DNP's and/or those who are pursuing DNP's believe in wholly independent practice and/or are pursuing the degree for that end. I've yet to see that assertion proven. A handful of nut jobs (e.g. Mundinger) do not equal a consensus or a majority.
Of course they don't -- they are PA's and cannot practice independently under state law, and I assume, would also not be allowed the use of the title "Dr." by their supervising physician. Having said that, I think I recall posts on this forum where individuals have witnessed PA's referring to themselves as "doctor" - correct me if I am wrong.
Are you to tell me that if a state started allowing independent PA practice, there are not PA's who would jump all over it? And are you to tell me, that if said PA's had doctorates, none of them would refer to themselves as Dr.?
My real point is that the DHSc and the DNP are remarkably similar in content, but the DNP is bashed as a pointless degree that has no impact on clinical practice. The very link you posted describes the DHSc's purpose is "to...advance a professional practice career in Health Arts and Sciences, and Health Care Delivery Systems, to include clinical practice, education, administration, and research. Individuals who complete the D.H.Sc. face the particular challenge of understanding and adapting scientific knowledge in order to achieve health gain and results..."
I don't even think I could post some of the things I heard in my NP lecture today without sounding like an anti-DNP shill. Swear to god, it did not stop.
Did you know:
-the DNP (with full independent practice rights and NO collaboration requirements) is the answer to healthcare issues in this country?
-Physicians absolutely hate primary care, and none of them want to do it?
-Physicians only learn to treat disease, not the whole patient? (An oldie but goodie I had written off as SDN urban legend)
-Medical students are "cold" and "rude" vs NP students who were "warm" and "caring" as evaluated by Standardized Patients?
-We are not sure why local physicians won't precept our NP students, but we are pretty sure it is because the med schools bribe them (as opposed to the big kick in the nuts they get as reward for precepting us)?
I love to razz the med students, residents, and attendings who write about "militant" NPs in academia...or at least I used to, until I heard it OVER and OVER from my own faculty.
Usual disclaimers: I have heard very little of this from NPs not associated with the University (i.e. in practice). To me, those NPs just like doing their jobs, taking care of patients, learning from their Docs, and making some decent $$$; basically just like RNs, but with some added training and responsibility (which is all I want out of this career).
EDIT: I must have been thinking I was in the thread below this one. Sorry to sully up a non-DNP thread with this stuff.
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That's a heck of alot for one single lecture. What was the topic?
You will laugh, I swear...
"Interdisciplinary Teamwork"
Hand to god, that was the topic
Do you have a copy of the powerpoint/outline that you could post?
Not provided...and the funny thing is that several of the above statements actually *were* on the pp slides, with some being extemporaneous.
It was truly a bizarro-world experience to go from "we need to all work as a team" to doctor-bashing, and then to be having the discussion on how hard it is for our school to find physician preceptors. Then to be discussing employment options post-graduation.
I make my own relationships, so I rely on that to get me a job post-grad. But sheesh, to actually find that the "Ivory Tower" stuff can be as bad as it is, kind of sad. But the disconnect between nursing and our leaders has always been there, so I guess this is just more of the same.
@RDiv: ask your strident nursing instructors how they've cornered the market on "treating the whole person" compared to DOs and naturopaths in particular. One of our heavily pro-osteopathic faculty is fond of stating that we DOs are "complete physicians, unlike those MDs". I find it disingenuous but telling as he is old school and certainly fought a lot of DO discrimination for most of his career. It is a great time to become a DO, and I'm lucky there...much as I was lucky when I was in PA training in the late 90s--so many trailblazers suffered much more in the early days of the profession to make it easier for those of us who came after.
*****now, what was the original topic? I think it was "what can an RN do with a DHSC?"...I think this has been covered, but to the OP, if you contact a DHS advisor at Nova or A.T. Still I am sure they will be able to help you quite a bit. I was ready to start the Nova DHS when I got admitted to medical school--for me, the choice was simple: I am a clinician, not a researcher. I like a little research and I like some teaching, but clinical medicine is my first love, so if I was going to get a doctorate in something, then medical school was the only way for me.
*****now, what was the original topic? I think it was "what can an RN do with a DHSC?"...I think this has been covered, but to the OP, if you contact a DHS advisor at Nova or A.T. Still I am sure they will be able to help you quite a bit. I was ready to start the Nova DHS when I got admitted to medical school--for me, the choice was simple: I am a clinician, not a researcher. I like a little research and I like some teaching, but clinical medicine is my first love, so if I was going to get a doctorate in something, then medical school was the only way for me.
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