ROCK your DATs with only 4 weeks to study- My take

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Just came out of my exam this morning, and I am psyched!!!! SDN's advice has been tremendously helpful in the past four ultra-intense weeks,
and I just want to help chip in what I've learned.

AA: 27
TS: 26
PAT: 23
Bio: 22
Chem: 27
Orgo: 30
Reading: 30
QR: 24

First, if you can help it, do NOT do what I did-- save studying till the last month.


Prep:

Materials: Examkrackers MCAT books, DAT Destroyer (both 2008 and the 2011 version), Top Score, CRACK DAT PAT, lots of wikipedia, notes from high school Biology AP. I got the latest DAT Destroyer only last week and really wished I could have spent longer with it. (I'm looking to sell both books-- feel free to message me if you're interested!)

Week 1- Bio- using Examkrackers, Bio AP notes. I had a strong basic bio foundation, and my bio AP notes were killer, so I used that. It's really all you need. Memorize all the facts, make lots of flashcards, put things into categories. I spent 5 days reviewing and 2 days going through Destroyer questions. It's a great resource in that the answers are really comprehensive. People recommended Cliff Notes, so I looked through it at a bookstore. It's actually really good! I wouldn't waste time memorizing all the protist and fungi phylums; but know animal classifications though. Know the products of each step of photosynthesis and cellular respiration, but I don't think you need to know that specific numbers of NADPH and so forth. I also wouldn't recommend reading through the Campbell's textbook because it might just overload you with too much info.

Took first Top Scorer exam. Scored were pretty deplorably. If you read my past posts you'll see I scored something like 16 on orgo (ha!) and was getting low 20's for bio, math, and reading.


Week 2- General Chem- Used Examkrackers. It's helpful because it highlights the important equations to memorize. I think very little quantum physics stuff is on the exam so don't waste time with that. You should be really familiar with stoichiometry; converting moles from density and the like. I had two colligative properties question on my exam.

-Spent a day shopping and then did all the math Destroyer problems. Refreshed up on trig identities.

Week 3 and 4- Relearn organic chem. Two chapters a day. Hated it, especially the really superficial Examkrackers book. Made flashcards with Destroyer road maps. Lots of memorizing. Did orgo Destroyer questions three times.

Took Top Scorer Exam 2 and 3.

Two days before exam- Went through all the chem Destroyer questions again, but only setting all the answers up instead of finishing calculating them. Went through tricky biology questions. Reviewed math equations that I had made a list of.

Yesterday- I originally wasn't planning on studying at all, and I caught up on three episodes of House. But then I felt guilty and started reviewing all the orgo questions again. Advice-- Don't do this-- It's 11 p.m. eve of your exam and you freak out because you can't remember benzene substitutions and spend an hour reviewing it again. :]


The actual exam:

Bio- Much easier than Destroyer, with two, three tricky questions thrown in there. I didn't encounter any plant bio/photosynthesis/cell respiration questions at all! (Phew). Very little physiology questions too (boo wasted all that time memorizing digestive enzymes and lymphatic system) The questions were surprisingly basic and straightforward, such as what hormone does this function, what's an example of this behavior, and where does this process take place in the cell.

Chem- Several questions had answers left in the algebraic expression format, which was nice because you didn't have to calculate it. Also nice is that they gave you the molecular weight for all the compounds so you didn't have to waste time adding them up. I didn't get any electrochemistry and questions, for some reason. There was one simple acid-base titration question. DAT destroyer really helps for this section. Know how to do logs in your head.

Orgo- Now, orgo is my weakest category because I actually didn't learn anything when I took it last year, so this was the section I was really scared for. The real exam questions were so much simpler than Destroyer questions! Very straightforward, one step reactions. There was one really obvious mechanism question. Memorize Destroyer roadmaps and you'll be all set. When you are studying, you should really make an attempt to understand the reaction mechanisms because it helps you memorize it. Plus, if you see something unfamiliar, you can reason through it too.

PAT- Seriously, this section made me angry. Crack PAT does a great job preparing you, but nothing can prepare you for sloppily drawn diagrams. In the hole-fitting section, two of the answer choices for at least two questions were literally the same thing, but rotated. The TFE questions are also more difficult than Crack DAT because you can't rely on the line-counting trick for at least half the questions. What I mean is, you can narrow down to two answer choices that are identical except one has a dashed line across corner where the other has solid line. I find that visualizing rotating my head around the object helps to determine if you actually see the edge or not.

Angles were okay (as in, hard), pretty similar to Crack DAT. One tricky thing to expect is that the angles are often all rotated at different angles. I remember while practicing from Crack PAT to expect angles to have one leg parallel to the other so you could just compare the other legs. Can't rely on that as much! Cube-counting was good; no illusions.

Hole punching was the worst. Let me count the ways
1) Pictures were much smaller than in Crack DAT.
2) The holes weren't round, more like jagged ovals.
3) The "square" paper was more like a rectangle.
4) The holes aren't perfectly centered in their spot. Like, it was hard to tell which sixteenth of the paper the hole actually landed on.
5) The worst part-- the folds didn't produce symmetrical shapes on both sides.
I think this part resembled Top Scorer the most, and you just have to get used to poorly drawn, and stretched out pictures.

Pattern folding was pretty normal, except for this one question where I swear the shape was meant to have 6 sides but for some reason there were only five sides drawn in. If you took the test today, did you encounter this? One trick is to examine for "enantiomers" of some shapes to eliminate some choices.

Timing is a really big deal. On Crack DAT, I was finishing with 5-8 minutes leftover, but I actually finished on the clock. Do not get stuck on one problem longer than you think you should! It's not worth wasting time on a poorly drawn questions, and miss the easier questions later.

(Took the 15 minute break. Read an Oprah magazine laying in the lobby and ate chips. Your brain runs on glucose, so give it refined sugar 🙂)

Reading wasn't too bad. I got three science passages. Lots of search and destroy type questions. The third passage was on micro-arrays, and one question, no joke, asked you to put the three steps of the Central Dogma in order. It was so easy I almost thought that I was taking the wrong exam. My method was to spend 2 minutes reading the passage up front, answering any easy questions, then going back and skimming for answers. One tricky thing, I noticed, is that the correct answer was a reworded form of the passage. There were two relatively straightforward questions on why the author chose to include so-and-so example.


Math- I didn't buy the Math Destroyer, and now I wish I had. This has been emphasized before, but timing IS so important for this section. I fell into the trap and spent 4 minutes on question 3 (still didn't figure it out), and was rushed at the end. You should be familiar with binomial theorem, calculating interest, volumes of spheres and cylinders, taking numbers to a fractional power, and mixture problems.

Calculator usage- It definitely helped in some arithmetic questions, but for others, it's actually distracting. We've all been conditioned to immediately clicking in the large numbers rather than simplifying the expression on paper.

One nice strategy is to eyeball the answer before you start calculating (helpful for Chem too). Sometimes the answer is really obvious from the answer choices.



Basically, I went from not knowing any orgo to getting a 30 on that section (I still can't believe it). I'm still walking on clouds! :laugh: thank you everyone again, for the encouragement and tips! If you work really hard and truly focus for 8 hours a day for 4 weeks, it IS possible to rock the DATs!
 
Disgustingly amazing scores, bravo.

Equally fantastic breakdown, thank you. Amusing too, you had me at shopping and House, then the Oprah mag dropped you from my favor. 😉

Not entirely sure I understand what about your reading section was so easy, but I think I get it.

Where do you intend to apply by the way?
 
Can you also post the percentile? It's interesting to see where everything is ranked.

Also, people stop scoring so high, it's making me want to retake 🙁
 
Do not retake lol... 3 members of my prehealth club that applied to dental school all got in... all had a lower DAT than you! be proud of that 22.


Can you also post the percentile? It's interesting to see where everything is ranked.

Also, people stop scoring so high, it's making me want to retake 🙁

OP: way to go with that awesome dat score! You wrote yourself a ticket to dental school.
 
Can you also post the percentile? It's interesting to see where everything is ranked.

Also, people stop scoring so high, it's making me want to retake 🙁

Seriously! Good job! Making me want to retake it as well. Seems like you had a good RC test considering a lot of your questions were search & destroy. Mine had 5 questions, max. 🙁

All in all, awesome scores!
You're definitely getting into dental school. And woo! I studied for 3.5 weeks too!
 
wooot!!! CONGRATULATIONS! It's amazing you did so well and with only 4 wks! This gives me hope bc I'm testing in about two months (eek!).

Question: How was the 2011 Destroyer? I got it and I've heard that it has mistakes in it....haven't looked at it yet but just wondering.

Btw, you're my hero :laugh:
 
hey guys,

I don't remember all the percentiles to the individual breakdown (too busy rejoicing at the testing center), except that a 27 AA and 26 TS is considered to be in the 100th percentile.

I thought that the DAT Destroyer was a really good resource, but I didn't think there was a big difference between the 2008 one and the 2011 one (except that the 2011 one had more errors in it).
 
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Can you tell me more about your reading method ?

can you read the whole passage just for 2 minutes ???
 
The point of skimming the passage really quickly for 2 minutes is to acquaint yourself with key words and which ideas can be found in which section of the passage. In my head, I would divide the passage into four sections (Intro/ first middle/second middle/ third middle). This way, when I read the questions, I can kind of remember which quarter the question refers to, and jump there and to search for the answer. By around the 7th question or so you should have read through the entire passage twice already.

So basically, the first read through is to see how the big ideas fit together. Later, when reading small chunks of it, you read for detail.


Still selling my brand new DAT Destroyer if anyone's interested!
 
Oh look, two 27AA people in one thread.

I actually have a question for both of you; how does it feel to know that I would literally kill another human being if it meant having your DAT scores?

srsly tho, awesome job OP. how would you say the QR compared to math destroyer on a test by test basis? ie. was it about as difficult as a single given MD test or did it have a bit higher abundance of the easier problems?
 
Dang! Good job on your DAT's and thanks for explaining each section, this is very helpful, I'm going to start studying for the DAT this summer!
 
WOW - great scores. Thanks for your break down

Do you guys think a 27 DAT or say 25+ significantly increases an appllicants chances if they have a lower GPA... say 3.1-3.3 assuming all other aspects of the application are up to par.
 
WOW - great scores. Thanks for your break down

Do you guys think a 27 DAT or say 25+ significantly increases an appllicants chances if they have a lower GPA... say 3.1-3.3 assuming all other aspects of the application are up to par.

I think you know the answer to your own question.
 
WOW - great scores. Thanks for your break down

Do you guys think a 27 DAT or say 25+ significantly increases an appllicants chances if they have a lower GPA... say 3.1-3.3 assuming all other aspects of the application are up to par.


The testing center gives you two laminated sheets and a dry erase pen. The pen is annoyingly thick and I had to erase the board after each question, but it didn't end up being too much of a hinderance.
 
Well, I believe that it would be a good thing but I just wasnt sure if it would go far enough to counter having a lower gpa. That was all I was asking. On predents I tend to see people with very high gpa's and high dat scores, but not very many high dat lower (3.2) gpa's.

I think you know the answer to your own question.
 
maybe its because people with low gpa just arent very good at test taking, or they're just not very hard workers.
 
On average I agree with you. But still doesnt answer my question. The fact that you focused on the obvious and came across judgemental indicates you're a jack*ss. contgratz.

maybe its because people with low gpa just arent very good at test taking, or they're just not very hard workers.
 
On average I agree with you. But still doesnt answer my question. The fact that you focused on the obvious and came across judgemental indicates you're a jack*ss. contgratz.

depends what school you go to.
some schools hand out gpas like candy on halloween night, while others make you work for it.

it's quite common to see someone with a high gpa (3.7+) doing average on the DAT (around 17-18).
 
LOL. I like your style - that was funny. I actully have a high university gpa - 3.8, it's just being pulled down by coursework that I did prior to the military which brings it down to about 3.2. I'm in the UC system.

I guess it was a dumb questoin for me to ask - I was just trying to get some positive feedback to get myself excited about my studies for the DAT - that if I did well it would really impact my application despite the lower gpa.


depends what school you go to.
some schools hand out gpas like candy on halloween night, while others make you work for it.

it's quite common to see someone with a high gpa (3.7+) doing average on the DAT (around 17-18).
 
LOL. I like your style - that was funny. I actully have a high university gpa - 3.8, it's just being pulled down by coursework that I did prior to the military which brings it down to about 3.2. I'm in the UC system.

I guess it was a dumb questoin for me to ask - I was just trying to get some positive feedback to get myself excited about my studies for the DAT - that if I did well it would really impact my application despite the lower gpa.

If you manage this, enjoy it while it lasts... -_-;;
 
LOL. I like your style - that was funny. I actully have a high university gpa - 3.8, it's just being pulled down by coursework that I did prior to the military which brings it down to about 3.2. I'm in the UC system.

I guess it was a dumb questoin for me to ask - I was just trying to get some positive feedback to get myself excited about my studies for the DAT - that if I did well it would really impact my application despite the lower gpa.

There are some posters on the board that have below 3.5 and 24+ on the DAT. It did help them get into schools. So yes, it does help out. That being said, getting a 20+ is hard work, 24-25+ is more on the luck side.

Don't crucify me for saying that. I know some people like UCLAdds and the OP blew out every section of the DAT which validates that it's more hard work rather than luck. HOWEVER, you can "easily" achieve a 24-25 if you luck out on two sections of the DAT. Getting two 27-30's on sections like gchem/ochem will result in a ridiculous TS, and a super high AA EVEN if you get 19-low 20's on the rest of the sections. That's where luck plays in. If you get the questions/material that you really know and ace two sections. BAM, you're golden. If you miss 1-2 in those sections, BAM you're down to the low 20's.

Edit: Just did my calculations. If I got a 30 instead of 24 on one section of my DAT's, I would of had a 24 AA. (Difference between 30-24 is 1 or 2 questions).
 
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Getting two 27-30's on sections like gchem/ochem will result in a ridiculous TS, and a super high AA EVEN if you get 19-low 20's on the rest of the sections. That's where luck plays in. If you get the questions/material that you really know and ace two sections. BAM, you're golden. If you miss 1-2 in those sections, BAM you're down to the low 20's.

Yeah but in order to increase your "luck," you do need to put in the hard work--that's where that comes in. It's about learning the material and going above and beyond in your understanding of it, which is hard when the exam has such broad scope, but doable if you put in all that work, I guess. Intelligence helps, but pure hard work will trump pure intelligence (without hard work) every time.

Unless you're clairvoyant. :laugh:
 
Yeah but in order to increase your "luck," you do need to put in the hard work--that's where that comes in. It's about learning the material and going above and beyond in your understanding of it, which is hard when the exam has such broad scope, but doable if you put in all that work, I guess. Intelligence helps, but pure hard work will trump pure intelligence (without hard work) every time.

Unless you're clairvoyant. :laugh:


Yes, there's a lot of luck involved in getting a 27-30. Anyone who says there isn't and its all based on intelligence and your knowledge on the subject is just full of ****. Say you're unsure of a question in GChem. You narrowed the answer down to 2 choices, and you already got every other question right. Answer correctly, and you will receive a 30 on GChem. Answer wrong, and you will receive a 25. That ONE question... would then account to a difference of ONE AA point. This is why the higher end of the DAT scale is very flawed. One question has the potential to change your AA by an entire point. At the ~23 AA levels, one question wrong in a section you did well on most of the time amounts to an entire AA point. (Just for you people who aren't so great at math, a difference of 5 in any of the academic sections will cause an increase/decrease of your AA by 1)

On the other hand, you CAN, as you stated, improve your luck through studying and hard work. Although you still can't deny there is luck involve.


I like to compare it to football. There is a LOT of luck involved in getting/forcing turnovers in football. Ever see slow motion replays of guys going for fumbles...with the ball bouncing every which way and multiple guys fighting underneath the pile?. A tipped ball...an interception... a fumble...a bad bounce... a LOT of luck involved. BUT even though there's obviously a lot of luck involved, players and teams could improve their luck as well by working hard.
 
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Yes, there's a lot of luck involved in getting a 27-30. Anyone who says there isn't and its all based on intelligence and your knowledge on the subject is just full of ****. Say you're unsure of a question in GChem. You narrowed the answer down to 2 choices, and you already got every other question right. Answer correctly, and you will receive a 30 on GChem. Answer wrong, and you will receive a 25. That ONE question... would then account to a difference of ONE AA point. This is why the higher end of the DAT scale is very flawed. One question has the potential to change your AA by an entire point. At the ~23 AA levels, one question wrong in a section you did well on most of the time amounts to an entire AA point. (Just for you people who aren't so great at math, a difference of 5 in any of the academic sections will cause an increase/decrease of your AA by 1)

On the other hand, you CAN, as you stated, improve your luck through studying and hard work. Although you still can't deny there is luck involve.


I like to compare it to football. There is a LOT of luck involved in getting/forcing turnovers in football. Ever see slow motion replays of guys going for fumbles...with the ball bouncing every which way and multiple guys fighting underneath the pile?. A tipped ball...an interception... a fumble...a bad bounce... a LOT of luck involved. BUT even though there's obviously a lot of luck involved, players and teams could improve their luck as well by working hard.

True.

I didn't realize the difference in questions correct/wrong was so small between a 25 and 30 for example hahaha, then again I'm not the best at math. 🙂
 
Yes, there's a lot of luck involved in getting a 27-30. Anyone who says there isn't and its all based on intelligence and your knowledge on the subject is just full of ****. Say you're unsure of a question in GChem. You narrowed the answer down to 2 choices, and you already got every other question right. Answer correctly, and you will receive a 30 on GChem. Answer wrong, and you will receive a 25. That ONE question... would then account to a difference of ONE AA point. This is why the higher end of the DAT scale is very flawed. One question has the potential to change your AA by an entire point. At the ~23 AA levels, one question wrong in a section you did well on most of the time amounts to an entire AA point. (Just for you people who aren't so great at math, a difference of 5 in any of the academic sections will cause an increase/decrease of your AA by 1)

On the other hand, you CAN, as you stated, improve your luck through studying and hard work. Although you still can't deny there is luck involve.


I like to compare it to football. There is a LOT of luck involved in getting/forcing turnovers in football. Ever see slow motion replays of guys going for fumbles...with the ball bouncing every which way and multiple guys fighting underneath the pile?. A tipped ball...an interception... a fumble...a bad bounce... a LOT of luck involved. BUT even though there's obviously a lot of luck involved, players and teams could improve their luck as well by working hard.

And this here is why I hate studying for the DAT.
 
Congrats on the scores! I don't plan to retake, but I'm positive I can do better...like when I actually finish the pre-reqs. Scores like yours make my pride kick in and want to do better.

I had a bumpy start since I was moved to another station while the clock was running during the tutorial. Then I had to hunt down the eraser the lady accidentally took when she moved my stations. So my tutorial time was spent doing other things instead of relaxing and writing some equations on my sheets.

I used this method for reading too. I only pulled a 24 on reading, but that's not exactly terrible either.

I tell people for QR to be fast. Everyone could work through all problems if we were given 90 minutes. You just have to know how to pounce on a problem. That's why math destroyer is good for a large amount and variety so you can be prepared for all sorts of problems. If you aren't sure, I suggest guessing and moving on. I was feeling bitter about the whole test by the time QR came around and was taking it personally. I had NEVER used a calculator when practicing and decided to do so during the test. Bad idea. I also was refusing to move on if I wasn't getting an answer correct. You obviously can't be spending 2 minutes on a question.
 
For those of you who've taken the DAT before-- do you receive a paper print out of the scores and score breakdown? Also, is there a chance that the curving makes your scores lower than the score report you get right after you finish the exam? It's been almost 4 weeks since my exam, and I haven't received anything in the mail.
 
For those of you who've taken the DAT before-- do you receive a paper print out of the scores and score breakdown? Also, is there a chance that the curving makes your scores lower than the score report you get right after you finish the exam? It's been almost 4 weeks since my exam, and I haven't received anything in the mail.

Received paper print out and score breakdown right after the exam. Never heard about this curving business so I can't tell you anything about that.
 
Yes, there's a lot of luck involved in getting a 27-30. Anyone who says there isn't and its all based on intelligence and your knowledge on the subject is just full of ****. Say you're unsure of a question in GChem. You narrowed the answer down to 2 choices, and you already got every other question right. Answer correctly, and you will receive a 30 on GChem. Answer wrong, and you will receive a 25. That ONE question... would then account to a difference of ONE AA point. This is why the higher end of the DAT scale is very flawed. One question has the potential to change your AA by an entire point. At the ~23 AA levels, one question wrong in a section you did well on most of the time amounts to an entire AA point. (Just for you people who aren't so great at math, a difference of 5 in any of the academic sections will cause an increase/decrease of your AA by 1)

On the other hand, you CAN, as you stated, improve your luck through studying and hard work. Although you still can't deny there is luck involve.


I like to compare it to football. There is a LOT of luck involved in getting/forcing turnovers in football. Ever see slow motion replays of guys going for fumbles...with the ball bouncing every which way and multiple guys fighting underneath the pile?. A tipped ball...an interception... a fumble...a bad bounce... a LOT of luck involved. BUT even though there's obviously a lot of luck involved, players and teams could improve their luck as well by working hard.


Couldn't have put it in a better way. Personally I think once you start scoring in the upper echelon of the dat range (22+ or w/e)... the chances of you getting into dental school based upon your dat is all about the same.
 
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