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[dasani2009atl]

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Its funny how things changes after a visit to schools and talk to other people in the medical community. The DO that I shadow is also residency director for a good hospital and he tooled me that he would deny anybody from RVUCOM due to their “tax status”. This was said after I was accepted to this school. After more research and reading some articles from Dr. Mychaskiw published in JAOA with the latest article http://www.jaoa.org/cgi/content/full/108/8/366 I am more than confident that the people that will end up getting hurt by Rocky Vistas so called tax status are the students that will find themselves without a competitive residency slot. I was lucky and am able to attend another school even tough I will lose some money I know that if I work hard I will be competitive for a good residency slot. I truly wish all of the currently enrolled RVCOM students all the luck and I pray that people change their mind and not punish you folks for the greed of others

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Rant Begin:


Why did you feel the need to created another thread about this same issue??? I didn't realize that ONE program director represented ALL program directors for ALL the residency programs.


End of Rant.

 

[BruceBanner]

What are you, a mod? Get off her case. She was just relaying her conversation with one guy, she didn't imply his views were representative of all program directors.

I think that is interesting this guy said that, however. When I interviewed I asked my interviewers what they thought about RVU, and they were a little concerned this would set the stage for more for-profit DO schools opening up, which I think it will. I don't think RVU grads will be excluded from good programs, though, at least not at first.

I personally would never attend any for-profit school, on principal alone; but I guarantee RVU nor any forthcoming for-profit schools will have trouble filling seats.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

No, I'm not a mod. But this conversation has been beaten to death, in fact there are many threads that say the exact same information that the OP has stated. How about you take a chill pill and calm down because its not really that serious. My post was MY OPINION ON THE SUBJECT and in no way was trying to INSULT the OP.

 

[Boges]

I personally would never attend any for-profit school, on principal alone; but I guarantee RVU nor any forthcoming for-profit schools will have trouble filling seats.

WTF? You guarantee that they will or won't have trouble filling seats?

 

[BruceBanner]

WTF? You guarantee that they will or won't have trouble filling seats?

They wont have any trouble, sorry. UNLESS-- PD's start excluding grads of these schools from consideration. And if that became the case the school(s) would take measures to make it easier/more attractive for students to enroll. Their #1 purpose is to generate a profit for shareholders, so when sacrifices are made it wont be at the shareholder's expense.

 

[BruceBanner]

No, I'm not a mod. But this conversation has been beaten to death, in fact there are many threads that say the exact same information that the OP has stated. How about you take a chill pill and calm down because its not really that serious. My post was MY OPINION ON THE SUBJECT and in no way was trying to INSULT the OP.

I don't need any chill pills girly. You're the one who went on a rant. What do you care if this topic has been posted on before? The OP probably didn't know.

 

[boone95]

As is always the case, there are 2 sides to the story. If you've got 10 extra minutes on your hands and care, you might as well read the response to the original link, which is the Dean's response: http://www.jaoa.org/cgi/content/full/108/8/458

If you really want to be anti- or pro- RVU, at least become familiar with the arguments each side makes then tell us why one or the other is right or wrong.

Oh, and name-calling isn't usually a good way to convey your point.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Boone you are correct and the fact is that nobody wants to look at both sides of this issue and only want to focus on the negative piece they've found. So no matter how many times you post the rebuttal to their argument it will not matter. I would venture to say that the OP only posted this thread to start the same ******ed argument all over again.

Bruce, I'm sorry if my little comment made you upset and in turn felt that you needed to defend an anonymous poster whose only posted once on SDN. 🙄


EDIT: There's a sticky on top of this thread that states READ FIRST OR DO A SEARCH. You know just a thought.

 

[Brodiewankenobi]

So let me get this straight. RVU breaks from all from all the traditional ways that EVERY OTHER medical school in the united states (allopathic and osteopathic) is set-up. They have not graduated a class yet and therefore have no record for residency placements (this would be a deal breaker for me, but hey, I am a bit risk averse). There has been noted vocal and passive apprehension towards this new model of education by PDs and you guys jump down the throat of any one who criticizes it?

You say that we (who question the RVU model) only present the negative. Well, what are the positives? How does this model improve on the traditional non-profit method of funding medical schools? Is the for-profit model going to suffer the same negatives as for-profit schools in the Carib (i.e. high attrition rate, concerns about the quality of education, just teaching to the boards)? Not being combative here, I just want to see if I missed anything.

 

[paramediclizard]

I personally would never attend any for-profit school, on principal alone; but I guarantee RVU nor any forthcoming for-profit schools will have trouble filling seats.

How about a for profit hospitals? Will you have any problem working for one when you are through with residency? Or perhaps your profits that you will make as a physician? Do you plan to donate your extra income to charity or research or perhaps your alma matter?

Or do your "principals" not quite reach that far?

 

[PunkmedGirl]

There's nothing wrong with questioning whether the for-profit status will be a negative or positive. My point is for every article you read that is negative, someone else reads another article that is positive about RVU. For every program director you talk to that will never accept a student from RVU, there's a program director that will. The truth is no one knows what the outcome will be until it happens. Do I think RVU will be a good medical school that will provide the education that its students need to succeed as a physician, MY answer is yes it will. This debate is no different than the MD vs DO debate. There are people (primarily pre-meds and old head physicians) who still think the DO degree is worthless but as you know it is.

Again this thread should be combined with this other hateration threads about RVU.🙄🙄

 

[cliquesh]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_for-profit_colleges_and_universities

 

[paramediclizard]

Do I think RVU will be a good medical school that will provide the education that its students need to succeed as a physician, MY answer is yes it will. This debate is no different than the MD vs DO debate. There are people (primarily pre-meds and old head physicians) who still think the DO degree is worthless but as you know it is.

It's refreshing to read someone say that I am actually getting an excellent education from very well respected faculty members. Thanks for the props.

Much like people no longer care what my GPA/MCAT score is, in the long run, no one will care where I went to school or even did my residency.

My name badge will say physician, just like everyone elses will. Not DO, not MD, not RVU, not Harvard. And I bet you, I will be prepared to care for the patient population just as well as the next guy.

 

[paramediclizard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_for-profit_colleges_and_universities

Not sure the point of the link...but be sure not to get all of your information from wikipedia. They are not exactly known for accurate information.

I prefer the to check out reputable websites like www.aacom.org or www.osteopathic.org or www.rockyvistauniversity.org for my information.

 

[cliquesh]

When I, as well as others, think of for-profit schools, I think of Strayer University, DeVry University, and other trade schools. The main concern with RVU's for-profit status isn't really the education RVU students recieve, which I'm sure is fine, but the damage it does to the creditiability of the DO degree.

 

[stonewall22]

When I, as well as others, think of for-profit schools, I think of Strayer University, DeVry University, and other trade schools. The main concern with RVU's for-profit status isn't really the education RVU students recieve, which I'm sure is fine, but the damage it does to the creditiability of the DO degree.[/quote]

This is such a bogus argument. Do you think most people even know that some schools are profit and others non-profit? Furthermore, if RVU students compete well, which ultimately I think they will (I'm not going to RVU by-the-way), why should anyone care whether the school is making someone money or not? The reality is that profit/non-profit are all (I suppose with the exception of state schools which are heavily supported by state taxes) making money, and it's not all going back into the school. People make money at non-profit schools, a lot of money in fact.

Here is the biggest difference between profit and non-profit organizations:

"Unlike regular corporations, however, nonprofit corporations do not have shareholders or owners. (Nonprofits are owned by no one person or group of persons and cannot be sold. In the event the directors of a nonprofit want to dissolve the corporation, they must distribute all of its assets to another nonprofit corporation.)"

http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/objectID/80519339-609C-44A5-AE0A58DDC0990A42/111/262/ART/

Guess what? Day to day decisions are not made by the owner, and none of the employees are paid based on the profits the schools turns. So, in effect, RVU is managed exactly like other medical schools.

Like Boone said, I think people often have a knee-jerk reaction towards RVU and because of that don't take the time to really learn about it. I can understand why a person wouldn't, I mean shoot, you've already decided it's a bad idea. However, those that take the time to learn about the school, not just from SDN or DOs working at allopathic medical schools, but from everywhere see that RVU isn't all that bad. I visited the campus and of all the medical schools I interviewed at or visisted not a single other could come even remotely close to the facilities and technology RVU has. Doubt me? Go visit RVU, speak with the students, faculty, and staff. Ask them why they decided to move to RVU, many leaving behind lucrative, solid employment. After your visit report your thoughts.

Seriously some of the things said about RVU in the past have turned out to blatantly false because people were speaking without informing themselves (for example, RVU is owned by the same person that owns AUC...not true). Time will show that a lot of the other concerns are bogus too.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Well said Stonewall22.

Offtopic: Do you frequent orthogate??😎

 

[stonewall22]

Well said Stonewall22.

Offtopic: Do you frequent orthogate??😎

I go by occasionally, but unfortunately orthogate is pretty slow.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

I go by occasionally, but unfortunately orthogate is pretty slow.

Yea I agree and not to many reviews on the different residency programs.

 

[hermit]

My name badge will say physician, just like everyone elses will. Not DO, not MD, not RVU, not Harvard.

Your ID is going to say DO or MD, at least in every hospital I've ever been in.

 

[COMedic2Doc]

Very well said Stonewall and ParamedicLizard. I think that we all too often run into the Pre-med Unconsciously Ignorants here at SDN that don't take the time to research a topic or try to think about the topic. I love the idea of let's just fight the for-profit status without considering the true reasons behind the matter, i.e. RVU had to borrow a ton of money and the investor has requested that the school pay him back (hmmmm, currently a downtrending economy can't say that I blame him). Also, RVU will be putting students into a system that has already proven to be a great system for learning (HealthONE) with many of it's staff very passionate about education, i.e. the Chief of Trauma Surgery just recently lectured for six hours in a Paramedic Refresher that I'm taking (was rather amazed when I found out that she was the Chief of Trauma Surgery at a Level I for a few other reasons, care to hear the story PM me). Rest assured, despite the for-profit status RVU will be on my application list for a few different reasons, including the chance to stay here in beautiful Colorado in a system that I know very well and understand thoroughly (it's a Paramedic Non-Trad thing, most Unconsciously Ignorants wouldn't understand)!

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Very well said Stonewall and ParamedicLizard. I think that we all too often run into the Pre-med Unconsciously Ignorants here at SDN that don't take the time to research a topic or try to think about the topic. I love the idea of let's just fight the for-profit status without considering the true reasons behind the matter, i.e. RVU had to borrow a ton of money and the investor has requested that the school pay him back (hmmmm, currently a downtrending economy can't say that I blame him). Also, RVU will be putting students into a system that has already proven to be a great system for learning (HealthONE) with many of it's staff very passionate about education, i.e. the Chief of Trauma Surgery just recently lectured for six hours in a Paramedic Refresher that I'm taking (was rather amazed when I found out that she was the Chief of Trauma Surgery at a Level I for a few other reasons, care to hear the story PM me). Rest assured, despite the for-profit status RVU will be on my application list for a few different reasons, including the chance to stay here in beautiful Colorado in a system that I know very well and understand thoroughly (it's a Paramedic Non-Trad thing, most Unconsciously Ignorants wouldn't understand)!

Haha I would definitely agree with your assessment of these pre-mies. RVU you is definitely on my list as well, although I'm not a fan of lectures I am a fan of the the location.👍👍

 

[COMedic2Doc]

Haha I would definitely agree with your assessment of these pre-mies. RVU you is definitely on my list as well, although I'm not a fan of lectures I am a fan of the the location.👍👍

Lol, yeah. Picked that one up in my Paramedic Refresher for new Medics. Love it! Heck yeah, Parker is sooooo awesome and just there's a lot of good for RVU for me anyway (although I will admit that I still thought it hadn't arrived until about two months ago, LOL).

 

[Bleurberry]

So let me get this straight. RVU breaks from all from all the traditional ways that EVERY OTHER medical school in the united states (allopathic and osteopathic) is set-up. They have not graduated a class yet and therefore have no record for residency placements (this would be a deal breaker for me, but hey, I am a bit risk averse). There has been noted vocal and passive apprehension towards this new model of education by PDs and you guys jump down the throat of any one who criticizes it?

You say that we (who question the RVU model) only present the negative. Well, what are the positives? How does this model improve on the traditional non-profit method of funding medical schools? Is the for-profit model going to suffer the same negatives as for-profit schools in the Carib (i.e. high attrition rate, concerns about the quality of education, just teaching to the boards)? Not being combative here, I just want to see if I missed anything.

From what I understood in previous conversations was that schools are so expensive to open, that the viable option left on the table is for-profit.
It's easy to raise investment capital in the for-profit model. Thats the primary reason they're going this direction, IMO.

It's such a natural reaction to want to loathe the idea of "for-profit" status in medical education, I don't blame some for having it. I had it myself at first. Then I read thread after thread in sheer frenzy and panic about the future of DO. So I looked into it deeper, and I think while I'm still a long shot away from understanding the details thoroughly, stonewall22 is on point. It's a strategy to expand the profession and fill the need of primary care doctors. That doesn't mean it shouldn't or isn't being monitored closely.

 

[MossPoh]

Your ID is going to say DO or MD, at least in every hospital I've ever been in.

Depends what hospital. I've been in several that just say physician.

Oh, and I do think it was a pointless thread. Put it in the RVU discussion thread if you want to relay a message. I don't give a damn about RVU. People don't want to learn more about RVU because of what few other for-profit schools exist. They are known as doctor factories. While good students can and do come out of them, they were notorious for taking lesser students. I just don't understand why it was made as a for profit. Pete Debusk essentially built DCOM with his own money because he felt the need for a school to put out primary care and rural doctors. Why did the builder of RVU not communicate with some small university and make it a private medical school? They want money. Keeping that want for money in check over the years will be difficult. The only requirement is to keep it nice and accredited long enough to pay off the building and make some cash off of it. I don't blame anyone for considering RVU. I think they'll be fine positions. They are going to be stigmatized. You can talk about how wrong we all are and blah blah blah, but it is going to happen. If they join up with a university in colorado (there are plenty) and took off the for profit nametag then they'd be perfectly fine.

 

[NPEMTIV]

I don't see why everyone is constantly arguing about this. No one is going to change their mind over a blog so it seems pointless (on both sides) to constantly try to disprove each other. Everyone will have their opinion on this, including me, but the school is in place, teaching, and provisionally accredited. This won't change. Once graduated, these students will be D.O.s like any other and when it comes down to practicing and that's all that matters. If arguments about the validity of RVU were to be raised they should have (and some were) raised two years ago when it mattered.

 

[Bleurberry]

I don't see why everyone is constantly arguing about this. No one is going to change their mind over a blog so it seems pointless (on both sides) to constantly try to disprove each other. Everyone will have their opinion on this, including me, but the school is in place, teaching, and provisionally accredited. This won't change. Once graduated, these students will be D.O.s like any other and when it comes down to practicing and that's all that matters. If arguments about the validity of RVU were to be raised they should have (and some were) raised two years ago when it mattered.

The irony is that we're supposed to be scientifically minded, but instead we end up just "opinionated".

 

[ScaredECat]

The irony is that we're supposed to be scientifically minded, but instead we end up just "opinionated".

That's more of a sad truth than irony.

The ironic part is when people come to a message board and try to convince others that there's no use trying to convince others on a message board. 🙄🙄🙄

 

[Bleurberry]

That's more of a sad truth than irony.

The ironic part is when people come to a message board and try to convince others that there's no use trying to convince others on a message board. 🙄🙄🙄

 

[BruceBanner]

How about a for profit hospitals? Will you have any problem working for one when you are through with residency? Or perhaps your profits that you will make as a physician? Do you plan to donate your extra income to charity or research or perhaps your alma matter?

Or do your "principals" not quite reach that far?

To answer your question, yes I would have a problem with working for a for-profit hospital. And the profits I will make as a physician will not be earned under the premise of garnering a better profit for myself at the expense of patients. This is the basis of investor-owned institutions--profit generation for the owners at the expense of services rendered. So yes my "principles" do stretch that far.

You guys are just banding together and baselessly defending your school choice. I actually considered RVU, being a Colorado native, but I decided against it for the following reason: RVU is the ONLY medical school in the United States whose sole business purpose is to generate a profit for shareholders within the vehicle of a medical school. I have no doubts that the education you receive there will be fine, and since RVU has yet to graduate a class any talk about PD discrimination is pure speculation at this point. However, there has been noted overt and covert dissention at the opening of a stateside, for-profit medical school, and I personally want no association with such a school and any subsequent negative perceptions.

From an academic perspective I think at this point in time it is no different than any established DO program, and in all likelihood you will do fine after med school. But nice as it may be, from a business perspective RVU is no different than a carribean school.

So please, I implore any of you to tell me the positive benefits of attending a for-profit school over a traditional med school, rather than jumping all over someone who questions this model. There may be circumstantial benefits to attenting this school (location, facilities, etc.), but as of now all you are doing is defending the school you got accepted to, not addressing the potential pitfalls of a for-profit institution.

 

[lincolnparadox]

BruceB--

RVU is a cure for a problem. During the last few years, CU-Health Sciences has only produced a handful of family docs (ie. less than 10 for the past 5 years). So, less than 10% of the docs are going into primary care, while 44 counties in Colorado only have one or no family doctors. Right now, there is a need for hundreds of family doctors in urban and rural Colorado. RVUCOM is picking up the slack for UCHSC. The easiest way that the school could be opened was as for-profit. I know that sounds scary, and it is. But right now, the investors are pumping money into the school.

Sure, maybe in a few years the school will start to actually turn a profit. But for now, all it is doing is producing physicians and directing them towards primary care.

 

[Boges]

BruceB--

RVU is a cure for a problem. During the last few years, CU-Health Sciences has only produced a handful of family docs (ie. less than 10 for the past 5 years). So, less than 10% of the docs are going into primary care, while 44 counties in Colorado only have one or no family doctors. Right now, there is a need for hundreds of family doctors in urban and rural Colorado. RVUCOM is picking up the slack for UCHSC. The easiest way that the school could be opened was as for-profit. I know that sounds scary, and it is. But right now, the investors are pumping money into the school.

Sure, maybe in a few years the school will start to actually turn a profit. But for now, all it is doing is producing physicians and directing them towards primary care.

I guess we'll have to wait and see but I wonder if you aren't drinking from the proverbial kool-aid. That is, how much do you think RVUCOM will really contribute to the shortage of family doctors in Colorado that you refer to?

It seems to me that it'll be an insignificant trickle of grads who practice family medicine, in Colorado, and at an undeserved location. But I could be totally wrong.

 

[BruceBanner]

BruceB--

RVU is a cure for a problem. During the last few years, CU-Health Sciences has only produced a handful of family docs (ie. less than 10 for the past 5 years). So, less than 10% of the docs are going into primary care, while 44 counties in Colorado only have one or no family doctors. Right now, there is a need for hundreds of family doctors in urban and rural Colorado. RVUCOM is picking up the slack for UCHSC. The easiest way that the school could be opened was as for-profit. I know that sounds scary, and it is. But right now, the investors are pumping money into the school.

Sure, maybe in a few years the school will start to actually turn a profit. But for now, all it is doing is producing physicians and directing them towards primary care.

Interesting. I suppose it makes sense, given CO has (had) only one medical school, and a ridiculously expensive one at that; but I'm skeptical that this is the real basis for their opening. I think it may be an angle, even a well-intentioned angle, but there was an article in Forbes that someone linked in the other RVU thread about the founder of RVU. His father apparently (cant remember his name), was the proprietor of a large caribbean school for a number of years. I believe this guy also managed or owned a large network of for-profit "tech schools" in the midwest prior to starting RVU.

 

[facetedforms]

To the original post- I believe that if you do well in school, solid on the Step exams, and interview at a residency that you are psyched about (it will show), the for-profit status of your school probably won't factor in. Granted, if you want an EM residency at RAC Shock Trauma or UCLA or wherever, its going to be hard no matter what.

What I think WILL factor in, is that RVU doesn't have a reputation, people don't know doctors that have come out of there, and so on. However, that is something that you can change by making a good impression on your own.

 

[boggle]

No, I'm not a mod. But this conversation has been beaten to death, in fact there are many threads that say the exact same information that the OP has stated. How about you take a chill pill and calm down because its not really that serious. My post was MY OPINION ON THE SUBJECT and in no way was trying to INSULT the OP.

So what you're trying to say is that you're a little too punk rock for this thread?

 

[scpod]

....RVU is the ONLY medical school in the United States whose sole business purpose is to generate a profit for shareholders within the vehicle of a medical school....

Then consider this for a moment. The only way ANY business makes money in the long term is to have a good product which people continue to buy. The only way RVU can be successful is by producing graduates that perform well. With this in mind, they have built a wonderful facility, hired some top-notch faculty and garnered the support of state and local officials in the area. The president of the other medical school in the state even thinks it's a good idea.

You can choose to run around like Chicken Little and scream, "The sky is falling!" but at this point it's a done deal. In a few years there will be actual DO's coming from this place. If they aren't every bit as good as the DO's from other schools, then RVU will fail. And, THAT is all the motivation the owner needs to make RVU a successful venture.

Personally, I probably never would have approved it. But, it's here to stay, and I'm just waiting to see what happens down the road. I don't see any reason why it won't work, though.

 

[Brodiewankenobi]

Then consider this for a moment. The only way ANY business makes money in the long term is to have a good product which people continue to buy. The only way RVU can be successful is by producing graduates that perform well. With this in mind, they have built a wonderful facility, hired some top-notch faculty and garnered the support of state and local officials in the area. The president of the other medical school in the state even thinks it's a good idea.

You can choose to run around like Chicken Little and scream, "The sky is falling!" but at this point it's a done deal. In a few years there will be actual DO's coming from this place. If they aren't every bit as good as the DO's from other schools, then RVU will fail. And, THAT is all the motivation the owner needs to make RVU a successful venture.

Personally, I probably never would have approved it. But, it's here to stay, and I'm just waiting to see what happens down the road. I don't see any reason why it won't work, though.

Patients are not the consumers of RVU's services. Pre-meds are, so the quality of physician that the school produces matters very little. Therefore as long as RVU offers a chance to become a physician (and a there are a large number of uninformed pre-meds), there will be demand for the service (ie. caribs). basically number of people who want to be doctors >>>>> # of spots in medical school.

 

[BruceBanner]

If they aren't every bit as good as the DO's from other schools, then RVU will fail.

I'm not suggesting RVU is going to produce crap doctors. I dont think that will ever be the case. The product they offer is a medical education, and the consumers are the students. They have to maintain accreditation to put asses in seats and grads in residencies; and to do this they have to make the grade just like any other school. "So what's the problem?", people ask...

The problem is the precedent it sets and the effect RVU will have on perception of osteopathic schools. I can almost guarantee that RVU will not be the first of it's kind in the states. The giant elephant that people are ignoring is that many people already have a dubious perception of osteopathic medicine, and we all know the LCME would never allow this to pass go.

So you can take that for what it's worth. The sky isnt falling on the DO world, and the RVU debate should'nt have anything to do with the quality of education. At this point I think that's a non-issue.

It just sucks, IMO, that this was allowed to happen. Like you said, I never would have approved it, but it's a done deal now.

 

[scpod]

....so the quality of physician that the school produces matters very little....

I said nothing about the quality of the physician; I said their students and graduates have to perform well. They have to achieve good board scores and get into good residencies. If they don't do that, then no one will go there. Unlike the Carribean, they will lose accreditation if the students don't perform. That's where the difference is.

 

[westphi]

When I, as well as others, think of for-profit schools, I think of Strayer University, DeVry University, and other trade schools. The main concern with RVU's for-profit status isn't really the education RVU students recieve, which I'm sure is fine, but the damage it does to the creditiability of the DO degree.

Don't forget to add Harvard, Stanford, and Yale to that list of for-profit schools.

 

[Chocolate Bear]

Don't forget to add Harvard, Stanford, and Yale to that list of for-profit schools.

Definition of 501(c)(3)

Harvard's tax status

Stanford's tax status

Yale's tax status

 

[westphi]

Definition of 501(c)(3)

Harvard's tax status

Stanford's tax status

Yale's tax status

Interesting info...but I don't see how being "tax-exempt" and operating "for-profit" are one-in-the-same?

 

[Chocolate Bear]

Interesting info...but I don't see how being "tax-exempt" and operating "for-profit" are one-in-the-same?

😕

They're not one-in-the-same. They're opposite.

 

[235750]

Don't forget to add Harvard, Stanford, and Yale to that list of for-profit schools.

This is why I hate online forums sometimes. You can just spew anything with no regard to the truth! Although I must say I get a smile from thinking about Steven Colbert

Anyway, Westphi, you need to research things before you make claims like that because you are wrong and chocolatebear is right. All of those great schools are non-profits. In fact Harvard is well known to have the largest endowment of any non-profit, save for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

So, DeVry, University of Phoenix, ITT Tech, and all for-profit 'universities' are all still krap with a capital 'K', and Vista is a threat to osteopathic medicine's credibility.

 

[Boges]

"A section 501(c)(3) organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, such as the creator or the creator's family, shareholders of the organization, other designated individuals, or persons controlled directly or indirectly by such private interests."

-From the IRS

I just wanted to really drive the point further—Harvard, Stanford, and Yale are NON-PROFIT institutions.

 

[BruceBanner]

Boges beat me to it.

 

[Chocolate Bear]

Boges beat me to it.

I liked your C-3PO addition. 🙁


My main concern is with his dance moves, though. I'm pretty diverse at present, and would prefer not to be relegated to The Robot.


Anyone??? 😀

 

[BruceBanner]

I liked your C3PO addition. 🙁


My main concern is with his dance moves, though. I'm pretty diverse at present, and would prefer not to be relegated to The Robot.


Anyone??? 😀

C3PO owns the Robot. The GOLD standard from which all robot attempts are judged.

 

[westphi]

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They're not one-in-the-same. They're opposite.

So then why do we care about the links you posted? Its ussually better to compare apples to apples, right?