Rocky Vista or Touro in CA??!!

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I just got accepted to both Rocky Vista and Touro in Mare Island this week and I have to decide which school to attend by the end of the week!! RV is a newer school but idk if I should believe the all the hype of a new school. Plus I want to live with a roommate and everyone at the school is either married or lives alone!! Touro is a lot more ghetto and I have heard some bad things about their rotations. The benefit is that many people live in big houses on the island.

I really have no idea on which school I should pick. Help!!!

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I just got accepted to both Rocky Vista and Touro in Mare Island this week and I have to decide which school to attend by the end of the week!! RV is a newer school but idk if I should believe the all the hype of a new school. Plus I want to live with a roommate and everyone at the school is either married or lives alone!! Touro is a lot more ghetto and I have heard some bad things about their rotations. The benefit is that many people live in big houses on the island.

I really have no idea on which school I should pick. Help!!!

Regardless of what other people may say, really try to focus on which one felt more at home. Secondly, there are many, many people looking for roommates for RVU for next year, so don't worry about that too much. If anybody that is going to Touro can give a suggestion regarding her concerns, chyme in!
 
Honestly as much as I want to agree with the person above me about where you felt at home and what not, I would recommend Touro over RVU just cuz of all the for profit status that it has right now, and I'm not saying that RVU is a bad school, but if those two schools were a choice given to me I would go with TouroCA
 
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I say go with what felt best. ALL schools are buisnesses!
 
Take this with as much salt as you so wish: I've heard lots of great things about touroCA from people who have graduated from there. RVU doesn't have graduates yet to speak about the success they felt the school specifically gave them.

You need to go where you feel most comfortable learning and where you think you get the best opportunities. Now if you can't figure that out on your own and are coming here for advice, I'd always suggest going conservatively and picking the known quantity of a good product (TUCOM) vs the unknown quantity of a new product (RVUCOM).

The for-profit status is, as far as anyone knows, completely irrelevant. Obviously it will suck if it does become relevant, but I dont think you should pay any creedance to people who think its a negative thing until there is some sort of stance taken by an organization *other than* "gossipy and presumptive pre-meds of SDN."
 
I just got accepted to both Rocky Vista and Touro in Mare Island this week and I have to decide which school to attend by the end of the week!! RV is a newer school but idk if I should believe the all the hype of a new school. Plus I want to live with a roommate and everyone at the school is either married or lives alone!! Touro is a lot more ghetto and I have heard some bad things about their rotations. The benefit is that many people live in big houses on the island.

I really have no idea on which school I should pick. Help!!!

As a 2nd year TUCOM-Ca student, I can hopefully demystify some common assumptions associated with Vallejo. First of all, it may seem "ghetto", but it's not as bad as people make it seem. If you stay away from some of the sketchy parts, you'll be fine. I feel perfectly safe walking around downtown Vallejo and love going to Farmer's Market. I actually live in Vallejo and not on the island and I have never had any trouble. Living on the island is a great option and most of Touro's students do that for their first two years. Although a large percentage of people are married in med school, you won't find it hard to match up with some fellow classmates as roommates.

Regarding rotations: (please read some of my previous posts so I won't sound too redundant) A lot of schools have problems with rotations because of the cost and the fact that hospitals are beginning to cut back because the cost-benefit analysis doesn't always meet their needs. In the past Touro's rotation sites have been scattered about the entire country, but that's been changing. To meet the school's unofficial mission statement (to produce physicians to serve the Northern California area), they are trying to centralize their rotation sites in California. Like many schools Touro does a lottery to get the site you're interested in and from my experience with it this year, nearly everyone got their 1st or 2nd choices.

People will always complain about one thing or another. Your best bet is to talk with people from both schools to help you make an educated decision.

Best of luck with your decision! Congrats on getting accepted!
 
As a 2nd year TUCOM-Ca student, I can hopefully demystify some common assumptions associated with Vallejo. First of all, it may seem "ghetto", but it's not as bad as people make it seem. If you stay away from some of the sketchy parts, you'll be fine. I feel perfectly safe walking around downtown Vallejo and love going to Farmer's Market. I actually live in Vallejo and not on the island and I have never had any trouble. Living on the island is a great option and most of Touro's students do that for their first two years. Although a large percentage of people are married in med school, you won't find it hard to match up with some fellow classmates as roommates.

Regarding rotations: (please read some of my previous posts so I won't sound too redundant) A lot of schools have problems with rotations because of the cost and the fact that hospitals are beginning to cut back because the cost-benefit analysis doesn't always meet their needs. In the past Touro's rotation sites have been scattered about the entire country, but that's been changing. To meet the school's unofficial mission statement (to produce physicians to serve the Northern California area), they are trying to centralize their rotation sites in California. Like many schools Touro does a lottery to get the site you're interested in and from my experience with it this year, nearly everyone got their 1st or 2nd choices.

People will always complain about one thing or another. Your best bet is to talk with people from both schools to help you make an educated decision.

Best of luck with your decision! Congrats on getting accepted!


Thanks!!

They explained how they were starting to centralize rotations at the school. I live in Socal so staying in any region is cali is not a problem for me. I think I was disenchanted by the old facilities as well. Plus the students at Touro didnt seem as all "gung ho" about the school as the students at RVU. Idk if it was a marketing strategy to promote how amazing a new school is.. but it was kinda weird. Also RVU claims that all their curriculum coincides with one another and that all of their exams are board style questions. I have heard otherwise at Touro. It also sucks that there is only that coffee cart on the island. The school kinda looks like a really old high school that I used to attend in Boston. But Touro does have more holidays....
 
Also my cousin goes to Touro in Nevada and he said that the school is pretty strict on class attendance and that he felt like he was in jail. So I know if they dont have the percentage of class attendance that they want.. the school will remove the pod casts. Is that a problem at this Touro location??
 
I just got accepted to both Rocky Vista and Touro in Mare Island this week and I have to decide which school to attend by the end of the week!! RV is a newer school but idk if I should believe the all the hype of a new school. Plus I want to live with a roommate and everyone at the school is either married or lives alone!! Touro is a lot more ghetto and I have heard some bad things about their rotations. The benefit is that many people live in big houses on the island.

I really have no idea on which school I should pick. Help!!!



I actually really liked Touro-CA when I interviewed. I liked other schools better, but as the one closest to where I grew up, I enjoyed the setting, the relative friendliness of the staff/faculty, and the fact that a good chunk of their students ended up in Cali.

That being said, there are some things I didn't like, but I had an overall positive impression of the place. Most people I know who attend are happy, and you'll be a fine physician.


Don't know much about RVU,but my money's on Touro since it's the older, more established school.
 
As a 2nd year TUCOM-Ca student, I can hopefully demystify some common assumptions associated with Vallejo. First of all, it may seem "ghetto", but it's not as bad as people make it seem. If you stay away from some of the sketchy parts, you'll be fine. I feel perfectly safe walking around downtown Vallejo and love going to Farmer's Market. I actually live in Vallejo and not on the island and I have never had any trouble. Living on the island is a great option and most of Touro's students do that for their first two years. Although a large percentage of people are married in med school, you won't find it hard to match up with some fellow classmates as roommates.

Regarding rotations: (please read some of my previous posts so I won't sound too redundant) A lot of schools have problems with rotations because of the cost and the fact that hospitals are beginning to cut back because the cost-benefit analysis doesn't always meet their needs. In the past Touro's rotation sites have been scattered about the entire country, but that's been changing. To meet the school's unofficial mission statement (to produce physicians to serve the Northern California area), they are trying to centralize their rotation sites in California. Like many schools Touro does a lottery to get the site you're interested in and from my experience with it this year, nearly everyone got their 1st or 2nd choices.

People will always complain about one thing or another. Your best bet is to talk with people from both schools to help you make an educated decision.

Best of luck with your decision! Congrats on getting accepted!

Mmmm, that sounds kind of fishy. When I interviewed at Dartmouth, I was told that CPMC in San Francisco had an agreement with 'an osteopathic school in the Bay Area,' but CPMC dropped the program and signed a contract with Dartmouth. I don't know if this is true in the first place, but Dartmouth students now do some of their clerkships at CPMC
 
Right or wrong people are always gonna associate RVU with its for-profit status. Its kind of unfair when compared to the Touro's which pretty much function like for profit schools. Lots of DO schools do actually.
 
Right or wrong people are always gonna associate RVU with its for-profit status. Its kind of unfair when compared to the Touro's which pretty much function like for profit schools. Lots of DO schools do actually.

Pretty much all education. IDK if you get this (you may) but the difference between profit and not for profit isnt the money they make, its what they are allowed to do to get the money and what *percent* of the money they make that they are allowed to keep. The former aspect is mostly irrelevant, since NFPO schools can't randomly jack up the tuition year to year and RVU wouldn't do it either, if it wants students to return.

The latter is an important point. every medical school but RVU (and nearly every undergraduate and graduate school in america, for that matter) has NFPO status and as such they can only keep a certain percentage as profit/rainy day funds/CEO earnings. The rest has to be put directly back into the school. But a percent is not a raw number, so if you make a lot more money, that percent earns you more to keep. Touro works on the theory that if one school makes x money, 30 schools makes 30x money. While there are only 3 medical schools (4 if you count New York Medical College), there are probably 12 or 15 other schools attached to the name. One liberal arts school, one law school and then a bunch of vocational schools that Touro bought and changed the business model of. I will honestly say that some of these vocational schools are shady as heck, but the medical schools are entirely separate from that. They just share a founding institution.

The chronicle of higher education lauds them as expert businessmen. They current (last 3 years or so) CEO salaries have been due to really shrewd business decisions like giving second lives to previously failing schools and creating online programs they then sell for huge profits (which again, are saved at a certain allowed percent and re-invested at the remainder). As chronicle states: "Touro College, by Moody's, from Ba2 to Ba1. Applies to $48-million in outstanding bonds. Reasons cited include the New York institution's five consecutive years of large budget surpluses following waste cutting changes, expectations that the college will be able to manage its rapid expansion plan, and the income it gained from the sale of its online program, TUI."

The company is turning 48 million in profit. You should see the money we get pumped into TouroCOM-NY. I can't speak for if that extra money is seen at TUCOM or TUNVCOM, but I know that a huge sum of the money goes into keeping alive NYMC, which is basically a fiscal black hole, but is too important to the state (and now Touro) to allow to fail. And yes, our CEO might as well drive a gold plated Lotus which shoots $100 bills out of the exhaust pipe, but they got that way by being nationally recognized amazing investors and "company flippers". Now this is not to *defend* touro... it doesn't really need defending... it's just the most cited example of a NFPO DO school that is clearly rolling in money. I wanted to point out how that happens. Touro did it mostly by buying down and out colleges and turning them into well publicized money making machines (some of higher quality than others. truth be told). RVU doesn't need to follow the same rules, but honestly, I still think it will follow the same rules. The for profit status just allows it to do whatever it wants with its money. In the past it has led to some disasterous results, but in the past every school did something totally different. Nowadays since the other 250ish medical schools all work in one way, RVU has to emulate that method pretty closely whether it wants to or not. So the for-profit status seems like somewhat of a red herring to me, at least at this early stage of its existance.

Cant help myself: I'm sure some sort of jewish stereotype about frugality with money might come into play here too. But they definitely know how to get quality as cheaply as possible.
 
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I'd take Touro. I'm a fan of for-profit models but think there is no reason to take the risk of going to a for-profit med schools if there is another option. Board scores and funding issues aside, I'd be afraid too many residency directors would be discriminating. Vallejo is a pretty crappy area as a whole, but the Island was nice, and traffic outbound from the Bay area isn't bad. I had a tour guide who commuted from Berkeley everyday and he said the drive was manageable.
 
Pretty much all education. IDK if you get this (you may) but the difference between profit and not for profit isnt the money they make, its what they are allowed to do to get the money and what *percent* of the money they make that they are allowed to keep. The former aspect is mostly irrelevant, since NFPO schools can't randomly jack up the tuition year to year and RVU wouldn't do it either, if it wants students to return.

The latter is an important point. every medical school but RVU (and nearly every undergraduate and graduate school in america, for that matter) has NFPO status and as such they can only keep a certain percentage as profit/rainy day funds/CEO earnings. The rest has to be put directly back into the school. But a percent is not a raw number, so if you make a lot more money, that percent earns you more to keep. Touro works on the theory that if one school makes x money, 30 schools makes 30x money. While there are only 3 medical schools (4 if you count New York Medical College), there are probably 12 or 15 other schools attached to the name. One liberal arts school, one law school and then a bunch of vocational schools that Touro bought and changed the business model of. I will honestly say that some of these vocational schools are shady as heck, but the medical schools are entirely separate from that. They just share a founding institution.

The chronicle of higher education lauds them as expert businessmen. They current (last 3 years or so) CEO salaries have been due to really shrewd business decisions like giving second lives to previously failing schools and creating online programs they then sell for huge profits (which again, are saved at a certain allowed percent and re-invested at the remainder). As chronicle states: "Touro College, by Moody's, from Ba2 to Ba1. Applies to $48-million in outstanding bonds. Reasons cited include the New York institution's five consecutive years of large budget surpluses following waste cutting changes, expectations that the college will be able to manage its rapid expansion plan, and the income it gained from the sale of its online program, TUI."

The company is turning 48 million in profit. You should see the money we get pumped into TouroCOM-NY. I can't speak for if that extra money is seen at TUCOM or TUNVCOM, but I know that a huge sum of the money goes into keeping alive NYMC, which is basically a fiscal black hole, but is too important to the state (and now Touro) to allow to fail. And yes, our CEO might as well drive a gold plated Lotus which shoots $100 bills out of the exhaust pipe, but they got that way by being nationally recognized amazing investors and "company flippers". Now this is not to *defend* touro... it doesn't really need defending... it's just the most cited example of a NFPO DO school that is clearly rolling in money. I wanted to point out how that happens. Touro did it mostly by buying down and out colleges and turning them into well publicized money making machines (some of higher quality than others. truth be told). RVU doesn't need to follow the same rules, but honestly, I still think it will follow the same rules. The for profit status just allows it to do whatever it wants with its money. In the past it has led to some disasterous results, but in the past every school did something totally different. Nowadays since the other 250ish medical schools all work in one way, RVU has to emulate that method pretty closely whether it wants to or not. So the for-profit status seems like somewhat of a red herring to me, at least at this early stage of its existance.

Cant help myself: I'm sure some sort of jewish stereotype about frugality with money might come into play here too. But they definitely know how to get quality as cheaply as possible.
ummm so which one should i pick??
 
ummm so which one should i pick??

Oh I'm still going with my old comment that its probably better to go with the known quality of a school with graduates that can attest to good placements than assume the placements will be strong at a place that has yet to graduate anyone.
 
As a 2nd year TUCOM-Ca student, I can hopefully demystify some common assumptions associated with Vallejo. First of all, it may seem "ghetto", but it's not as bad as people make it seem. If you stay away from some of the sketchy parts, you'll be fine. I feel perfectly safe walking around downtown Vallejo and love going to Farmer's Market. I actually live in Vallejo and not on the island and I have never had any trouble. Living on the island is a great option and most of Touro's students do that for their first two years. Although a large percentage of people are married in med school, you won't find it hard to match up with some fellow classmates as roommates.

Regarding rotations: (please read some of my previous posts so I won't sound too redundant) A lot of schools have problems with rotations because of the cost and the fact that hospitals are beginning to cut back because the cost-benefit analysis doesn't always meet their needs. In the past Touro's rotation sites have been scattered about the entire country, but that's been changing. To meet the school's unofficial mission statement (to produce physicians to serve the Northern California area), they are trying to centralize their rotation sites in California. Like many schools Touro does a lottery to get the site you're interested in and from my experience with it this year, nearly everyone got their 1st or 2nd choices.

People will always complain about one thing or another. Your best bet is to talk with people from both schools to help you make an educated decision.

Best of luck with your decision! Congrats on getting accepted!


This is kinda random but do you have to get drug tested for Touro?? at RVU they make you pay for your own drug test.. i have never taken one before so I am just wondering if it is a requirement for all schools.
 
I just got accepted to both Rocky Vista and Touro in Mare Island this week and I have to decide which school to attend by the end of the week!! RV is a newer school but idk if I should believe the all the hype of a new school. Plus I want to live with a roommate and everyone at the school is either married or lives alone!! Touro is a lot more ghetto and I have heard some bad things about their rotations. The benefit is that many people live in big houses on the island.

I really have no idea on which school I should pick. Help!!!

At times like these I often ask myself: "What would Eminem do?" Hope I helped 😉
 
This is kinda random but do you have to get drug tested for Touro?? at RVU they make you pay for your own drug test.. i have never taken one before so I am just wondering if it is a requirement for all schools.

No drug test at Touro-NY. Not the same school as CA, but the same mother organization, so if no one else responds, I'd use that to assume no drug test at Vallejo.
 
This is kinda random but do you have to get drug tested for Touro?? at RVU they make you pay for your own drug test.. i have never taken one before so I am just wondering if it is a requirement for all schools.

RVU you only have to pay for a drug test if you get it done at any place other than Concentra. Otherwise, RVU fits the bill
 
does anyone know what background service RVU uses on their accepted students?


Now on to your question. I personally think that you should make a list of likes/dislikes for each school and go from there. I know a lot of people are concerned with the for-profit status but I really don't think that will be as big of deal as people think. I am in the same boat as you trying to decide between two schools. I personally liked RVU better than the other school, which is why I think I'll be attending there. I believe the administration there is completely focused on how to make it a great school and are trying to do the most for their students. I don't know if you felt the same way when you interviewed there or not, and I didn't interview in california so i can't comment on that school, but it's just something to think about.

Good luck with your decision!
 
does anyone know what background service RVU uses on their accepted students?


Now on to your question. I personally think that you should make a list of likes/dislikes for each school and go from there. I know a lot of people are concerned with the for-profit status but I really don't think that will be as big of deal as people think. I am in the same boat as you trying to decide between two schools. I personally liked RVU better than the other school, which is why I think I'll be attending there. I believe the administration there is completely focused on how to make it a great school and are trying to do the most for their students. I don't know if you felt the same way when you interviewed there or not, and I didn't interview in california so i can't comment on that school, but it's just something to think about.

Good luck with your decision!


thanks!! I actually did feel the same way when I interviewed at RVU. They really seem like they have their act together. But on the other hand its like Idk if its a front or something bc everyone just seemed wayyy too excited about the school. The school in Cali is ghetto but I hate snow and I really like the california lifestyle so I decided to go to Touro. But yeah RVU looks pretty great and I am sure you will be happy there.
 
thanks!! I actually did feel the same way when I interviewed at RVU. They really seem like they have their act together. But on the other hand its like Idk if its a front or something bc everyone just seemed wayyy too excited about the school. The school in Cali is ghetto but I hate snow and I really like the california lifestyle so I decided to go to Touro. But yeah RVU looks pretty great and I am sure you will be happy there.

The snow in Denver doesn't stay. The average temp in Jan is 50. Do not make a choice based on the weather... The winters are very mild in Denver, so you should be fine...
 
This is kinda random but do you have to get drug tested for Touro?? at RVU they make you pay for your own drug test.. i have never taken one before so I am just wondering if it is a requirement for all schools.

We just participated in an "optional" drug (urine) screen before going to rotations. I say "optional" because I think if you decide not to do it with the school, you most likely have to do it for the hospital you rotate through.
 
Cant help myself: I'm sure some sort of jewish stereotype about frugality with money might come into play here too. But they definitely know how to get quality as cheaply as possible.

This isn't the first time you have said something like this. Your posts are usually very informative- but when you write stuff like this, it doesn't add anything. There are other institutions that operate with the principle of getting "quality as cheaply as possible" and they do this not because they are Jewish, but because that's the way successful business practices work. Your comment is very hurtful and extremely unprofessional.
 
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