ROL question

[jamieson]

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Sorry for the dumb question-

I made my "primary ROL" listing all my derm programs. Then next to each derm program, I selected a "supplemental list" where i ranked all my prelims.

I'm guessing I also have to tack the prelims on to the end of my "primary ROL" just in case i don't match in a derm program?

thanks

 

[jamieson]

Just found my answer. I guess don't list prelims in your primary list if you want to leave open the option to scramble for an advanced position.


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Originally Posted by herbalgarden
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I remember someone told me that when ranking the prelim list, I can leave the last spot open so that if I do not match into a prelim spot, I can scramble rather than losing the advance spot also... but it doesn't seem like I can do this on NRMP. How do you guys approach this?

I think what they actually told you is very different than you understand it. When creating the primary match list, you list your advanced programs (each with a supplemental list). Then at the end of your primary match list you have a choice -- either you can list prelim programs at the end so that even if you don't get an advanced program at least you might line up something at a program of your choosing for a year, or alternatively you can list nothing at the end, in which case you have to scramble if you don't get into any of your advanced programs. The benefit of listing prelim programs is that you might get a better prelim program than you could scramble into, and still can scramble for any open advanced program. The downside is that if you match into a prelim program you are no longer eligible for anything categorical. If you matched into an advanced spot on the match you don't lose it if you didn't match into a prelim spot on your supplemental list, you simply need to scramble into a prelim spot without doing anything special on your list to protect the advanced spot.

 

[Dermpath2B]

Are the vast majority of programs for advanced positions? I didn't apply for derm this year since I thought I wanted to do path. I'm going to try to obtain a transitional year spot. I'm just curious how many categorical programs are out there that I would be ineligible to apply for next year.

 

[scumbagderm]

Are the vast majority of programs for advanced positions? I didn't apply for derm this year since I thought I wanted to do path. I'm going to try to obtain a transitional year spot. I'm just curious how many categorical programs are out there that I would be ineligible to apply for next year.

just so you are in the know, doing a transitional year before matching can be (at some programs) hurtful to your future application. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about transitional years, but If I don't match I'll be doing a hard-core medicine year.

It "proves" you are more serious about "working hard," and not just looking for the easy way out. I was told at many interviews that I was "strongly" encouraged to do a prelim.

 

[Dermpath2B]

Well, I would have to scramble into a prelim spot since I only applied to pathology programs this cycle. However, I convinced a PD at a TY program to consider me in the match this cycle without formally applying and interviewing. Do you think it would be better for me to match into pathology instead of TY this year, and then apply for both TY and derm programs next year?

 

[ih8biochem]

So path as a career is out of the question for you now?

 

[Long Dong]

Well, I would have to scramble into a prelim spot since I only applied to pathology programs this cycle. However, I convinced a PD at a TY program to consider me in the match this cycle without formally applying and interviewing. Do you think it would be better for me to match into pathology instead of TY this year, and then apply for both TY and derm programs next year?

I think you have your own thread but here is my 2 cents, if it was me I'd withdrawl from the match. Postpone gradutation and do a year of research in derm, then reapply next year to derm and path as a back up.

 

[Dermpath2B]

Yes, I do already have my own thread. I posted in this thread because I wanted to know how many categorical programs there are that I would be ineligible to apply for, should I decide to match into a TY. (Nobody answered this question, btw).

I briefly considered postponing graduation by a year to do derm research, but I don't think it's worth paying another year of tuition.

 

[238950]

Yes, I do already have my own thread. I posted in this thread because I wanted to know how many categorical programs there are that I would be ineligible to apply for, should I decide to match into a TY. (Nobody answered this question, btw).

Cleveland Clinic
Ohio State
UAMS

 

[Long Dong]

I briefly considered postponing graduation by a year to do derm research, but I don't think it's worth paying another year of tuition.

I didn't know you had to pay tuition if you took a year off to do research. I always thought of it as a "year off" that your working for free, didn't know you pay them to work for them. Are you sure about that or is it different for each school?

 

[Dermpath2B]

I didn't know you had to pay tuition if you took a year off to do research. I always thought of it as a "year off" that your working for free, didn't know you pay them to work for them. Are you sure about that or is it different for each school?

I'll check into it. I just assumed I would have to pay tuition. BTW, when most people do a "year off" for research, is this usually arranged at their home school's department or is it something you have to apply for at outside institutions (i.e. a fellowship)? I've searched for so-called derm research fellowships, but they all require you to be eligible for a medical license in that state, meaning you must have completed at least an intern year somewhere.

 

[ih8biochem]

I'll check into it. I just assumed I would have to pay tuition. BTW, when most people do a "year off" for research, is this usually arranged at their home school's department or is it something you have to apply for at outside institutions (i.e. a fellowship)? I've searched for so-called derm research fellowships, but they all require you to be eligible for a medical license in that state, meaning you must have completed at least an intern year somewhere.

I believe your research year is subsidized. However, going into a path residency with the intention of leaving is just ill. Do you have any remorse lying to PD's about your passion for path, or to your fellow path residents who will have to pick up the slack after you leave?

 

[DermMatch]

For the less-than-strong derm applicant--meaning, those who are trying to get into derm with weak apps OR because they're doing it last minute--transitional years are not recommended.

At least by me. Because I've seen the reaction that people have when an unmatched applicant comes around and has to answer, "Transitional year," to the ever present question, "What are you doing now?"

You come off like a loser.