Rolling Admissions...More like Rolling Rejections (for me)

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Well I guess there isn’t much of an explanation other than that. Most of my interviews have been T20s (no brag) and I’ve been rejected by a variety of “lower” schools. But I guess the raptor kind of proved it wrong in that he has got IIs from schools across the board. Maybe I was more motivated for those secondaries
 
Wally1980 said:
This is becoming my personal favorite reason or rejection. It's like saying "Basically, I was too good for them..."

It may be controversial what I am about to say but... guys... this is not a good mindset in conjunction with wanting to become a physician.
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I mean.... yield protection is a thing... Not sure what his LizzyM is, but if its >75 the guy has a right to say that given his hard work...
 
Alco_Palco said:
Just got 2 rejections today (maybe I'll get more today lol). What's the highest number of rejections you got in one day?
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Where they pre or post secondary submission rejections? also mind sharing the schools? I have literally heard nothing back from ANY schools that I have applied for (30 at this point with most of apps completed in July)
 
calipremed5768 said:
Well I guess there isn’t much of an explanation other than that. Most of my interviews have been T20s (no brag) and I’ve been rejected by a variety of “lower” schools. But I guess the raptor kind of proved it wrong in that he has got IIs from schools across the board. Maybe I was more motivated for those secondaries
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Or maybe your overall application appeals more to schools focused on research and academic and less on community medicine?
 
pchemdestr8 said:
I mean.... yield protection is a thing... Not sure what his LizzyM is, but if its >75 the guy has a right to say that given his hard work...
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He/She can say anything they want. I am just trying to see a bigger picture here. Think of T20 schools as your rich influential patients and your low-tier schools as your undeserved population. Now think of the "I was too good for them in that context"...
 
Wally1980 said:
He/She can say anything they want. I am just trying to see a bigger picture here. Think of T20 schools as your rich influential patients and your low-tier schools as your undeserved population. Now think of the "I was too good for them in that context"...
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I think that analogy is completely different from saying you were yield protected (which again, is a real thing)
 
pchemdestr8 said:
Where they pre or post secondary submission rejections? also mind sharing the schools? I have literally heard nothing back from ANY schools that I have applied for (30 at this point with most of apps completed in July)
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one was pre-secondary (they said I don't have permanent residence in America--I am Canadian btw) and one was post secondary!
 
I saw a YouTube video that said people cross their arms because they need self-comfort during times of distress. Maybe that's a healthier coping mechanism than attributing to "yield protection," which, frankly, sounds like someone with an exclusively external locus of control would say

INTERNAL LOCI, Boys and girls (and the gender neutral)
 
MemeLord said:
So “I am inadequate because I suck” is better than “This school is just protecting their resources”? IDK, seems fishy to me.
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Chances are it's true unless you're a superstar applicant!
 
pchemdestr8 said:
Same phenomenon with a more politically correct name
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I think it's slightly different. Yield protection makes it sound like they're trying to maintain some sort of matriculation rate for it's own sake, whereas resource protection sounds like they have limited adcom time/interview spots and want to make the most of it.
 
Wolvvs said:
I think it's slightly different. Yield protection makes it sound like they're trying to maintain some sort of matriculation rate for it's own sake, whereas resource protection sounds like they have limited adcom time/interview spots and want to make the most of it.
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Those are both saying the same thing
 
Wally1980 said:
Maybe, possibly. Also, did I miss something? Did an adcom ever come out and sait that - yes, we do yield protection - or is it based on empirycal measurements with no statistics behind?
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It's not "yield protection!" It's resource management.
Let's say that data indicates that a particular school can expect to interview 25 candidates with an MCAT of 522 to matriculate 1. The class size is 100 and there are only 500 interview slots. There are inadequate resources to expend in that category to achieve the desired result.
 
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Wolvvs said:
Different intent, same outcome. One says we care about a statistic because it makes us look good, the other says we want to make the most of limited resources.
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I think both are true. How about we call it “YARP” Yield and Resource Protection.

That was less creative than I wanted.
 
How do you know if you've been rejected? There are a lot of schools that haven't offered me interviews, but none have been outright rejections. Am I missing something?
 
CaptainPoopyPants said:
How do you know if you've been rejected? There are a lot of schools that haven't offered me interviews, but none have been outright rejections. Am I missing something?
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They will either email you or their classes will start without you hearing from them.
 
Ok. So, I got like four rejections thus far. All of them based on the fact that the schools I applied to have a strong preference for instate candidates. Both Nevada schools, Utah (requires a bachelors degree from the US), and Washington (preference for Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming). Fair enough. That makes sense. My state MD school won't even look at apps until September. Thank God for Ativan! 🙂
 
Wally1980 said:
Ok. So, I got like four rejections thus far. All of them based on the fact that the schools I applied to have a strong preference for instate candidates. Both Nevada schools, Utah (requires a bachelors degree from the US), and Washington (preference for Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming). Fair enough. That makes sense. My state MD school won't even look at apps until September. Thank God for Ativan! 🙂
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Yah, all four of those schools are not OOS friendly at all. It sucks if you are a non-Californian that wants to stay out west. Hell, it sucks even if you are from California lol
 
Wally1980 said:
Ok. So, I got like four rejections thus far. All of them based on the fact that the schools I applied to have a strong preference for instate candidates. Both Nevada schools, Utah (requires a bachelors degree from the US), and Washington (preference for Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming). Fair enough. That makes sense. My state MD school won't even look at apps until September. Thank God for Ativan! 🙂
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You from Oklahoma?
 
MemeLord said:
Yah, all four of those schools are not OOS friendly at all. It sucks if you are a non-Californian that wants to stay out west. Hell, it sucks even if you are from California lol
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While it'd be awesome to be back in CA for medical school, I'd love to go either to OU or OSU. Really, all I want to do is be an ER doc somewhere and get my hands dirty. I love the ER...
 
MemeLord said:
I think both are true. How about we call it “YARP” Yield and Resource Protection.

That was less creative than I wanted.
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gyngyn said:
It's not "yield protection!" It's resource management.
Let's say that data indicates that a particular school can expect to interview 25 candidates with an MCAT of 522 to matriculate 1. The class size is 100 and there are only 500 interview slots. There are inadequate resources to expend in that category to achieve the desired result.
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What if you have connections to the area or school? How would you convey that to the admissions committee before being summarily rejected by a computer filter? Does anyone here have a list of schools that yield protect or engage in resource management as you phrase it? Not targeted at you, but I feel like admission committees should disclose that before accepting someone's application and the application fees.
 
Wally1980 said:
Ok. So, I got like four rejections thus far. All of them based on the fact that the schools I applied to have a strong preference for instate candidates. Both Nevada schools, Utah (requires a bachelors degree from the US), and Washington (preference for Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming). Fair enough. That makes sense. My state MD school won't even look at apps until September. Thank God for Ativan! 🙂
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If you applied to a bunch of schools that clearly have in state preferences and you are an out of state student, you are setting yourself up for a rough and stressful application cycle.
 
DNAJB6 said:
What if you have connections to the area or school? How would you convey that to the admissions committee before being summarily rejected by a computer filter? Does anyone here have a list of schools that yield protect or engage in resource management as you phrase it? Not targeted at you, but I feel like admission committees should disclose that before accepting someone's application and the application fees.
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If you have compelling connections to the area/school that make it clear they won’t be wasting their time by interviewing you it does make a difference. So if they have for example an “explain your connection to the xyz region” question that would be your chance to make it clear to them you are actually considering them as more than a “safety” school.

N=1 but I just interviewed at a school with such a prompt despite my stats being much higher than their 90th percentile because 1) It’s one of my state schools and 2) I have a strong connection to the area that I made clear in that question.
 
DNAJB6 said:
Does anyone here have a list of schools that yield protect or engage in resource management as you phrase it?
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Every medical school manages its resources to seat the best possible class with the least possible expenditure of time and money.

DNAJB6 said:
Not targeted at you, but I feel like admission committees should disclose that before accepting someone's application and the application fees.
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This is why the MSAR exists. It has abundant data that applicants can use to estimate their competitiveness at individual schools.
 
gonnif said:
You needed to make this known before or at same time as secondary, either by additional letter or by crafting a secondary response that included background info, no matter the question. Once your application is complete and being evaluated, it is essentially too late to update on state ties as you are already in OOS pile.

As for which schools have resource protection, you should have known this before you applied as this info can be gleaned from MSAR
1) OOS interview invites / OOS applicants
2) OOS matriculants / OOS invites
3) OOO matriculants / OOS applicants

These ratios should have been on your spreadsheet for each school you applied to. They would have indicated your chances.

Additionally, your indepth reading of each school’s website may have given some more info as many will discuss their OOS preferences. Many will say they only consider those with strong state ties.
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Some state schools have holistic pre-screens for secondaries. One of my top choice schools in a state I lived in- and would love to move back to- has not sent me a secondary. Would it be appropriate to email them or call them asking if I can get a secondary? Or should I just apply to other schools in the state if that one in particular is very slow?
 
789631240 said:
If you have compelling connections to the area/school that make it clear they won’t be wasting their time by interviewing you it does make a difference. So if they have for example an “explain your connection to the xyz region” question that would be your chance to make it clear to them you are actually considering them as more than a “safety” school.

N=1 but I just interviewed at a school with such a prompt despite my stats being much higher than their 90th percentile because 1) It’s one of my state schools and 2) I have a strong connection to the area that I made clear in that question.
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Yes, state publics in smaller states are the exception . They almost always interview high stat applicants (there are some exceptions).
 
DNAJB6 said:
What if you have connections to the area or school? How would you convey that to the admissions committee before being summarily rejected by a computer filter? Does anyone here have a list of schools that yield protect or engage in resource management as you phrase it? Not targeted at you, but I feel like admission committees should disclose that before accepting someone's application and the application fees.
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There is always a way to work in your strong connections to an area or school.
There is nothing you can do about a computer filter.
All schools manage their resources wisely. Admissions officers who didn't would be fired.
The disclosure is in the MSAR.
 
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