Ross University.... in New York?

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I never knew that Ross' medical school was located in New York. :laugh:

http://www.lookingyourbest.com/surgeons/about/vdev

Tsk, tsk; I guess he's afraid to scare off the high-class patients with the fact he's an IMG. I wonder if there's legal ramifications for misleading the public as to where or how you've obtained your medical education...

Dr. Numero Uno, St George's University, Cambridge, MA...
Dr. Numero Dos, Saba University, San Francisco, CA...

Got a ring to it, no?
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Ross isn't in New York?!
 
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You are all wrong
Ross is in New Jersey
and here is the proof.

http://www.rossu.edu/med/apply/

look at the address at bottom.
Now maybe when he went to med school their office was in NY. Now that makes it tricky. You put the address where you attend the class or where you send you application to or where the university office is now.
 
SFSUdoc said:
You are all wrong
Ross is in New Jersey
and here is the proof.

http://www.rossu.edu/med/apply/

look at the address at bottom.
Now maybe when he went to med school their office was in NY. Now that makes it tricky. You put the address where you attend the class or where you send you application to or where the university office is now.
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Ahh, good point my friend. So in that case, St George's is in Bay Shore, NY.
 
Ross attracts these types of people.
 
Meatwad said:
I never knew that Ross' medical school was located in New York. :laugh:

http://www.lookingyourbest.com/surgeons/about/vdev

Tsk, tsk; I guess he's afraid to scare off the high-class patients with the fact he's an IMG. I wonder if there's legal ramifications for misleading the public as to where or how you've obtained your medical education...
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I think its pretty awesome that the doc is able to do plastics coming from Ross. Its a tough route to go, doing General Surgery first and than matching plastics as a fellowship esp. as a IMG.
 
Absolutely, but he is still am conniving scammer for deceiving people.

berkeleyboy said:
I think its pretty awesome that the doc is able to do plastics coming from Ross. Its a tough route to go, doing General Surgery first and than matching plastics as a fellowship esp. as a IMG.
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Ah, he had no choice. The general public has no idea about medical schools and if he put he went to school in the Caribbean he might as well put "Big Bob's fish&chips and medical school" instead. I don't think he's ashamed of the school or anything - it's just a business decision.
 
It is a blatant lie is what it is.
 
It is frustrating that a deceptive liar gets caught and someone who apologizes for them with the line, "he had no choice."

Of course, he had a choice. He could have only included his residency training, which many doctors do on their websites. He could have had his skills sell his skills, not his medical school.

He is absolutely ashamed, otherwise he would have told the truth or left it out.

Are you going to say that you went to the University of Cork, New York, New York?

Sage880 said:
Ah, he had no choice. The general public has no idea about medical schools and if he put he went to school in the Caribbean he might as well put "Big Bob's fish&chips and medical school" instead. I don't think he's ashamed of the school or anything - it's just a business decision.
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Nah, I'm not defending what he did. I'm just saying that it's more a reflection of the xenophobia of the population than a measure of pride/shame in him in general.

Like, he knows he went to a good school and got a good education. We all know it as well. But does Sally McSmallBoobs know it? He is guilty of playing towards his target audience IMO. Nothing more sinister than that.

I do see the point that he should "fight the good fight" by being proud of his school but I imagine he made the decision that it would cut into his earning potential and I just understand his reasoning. Not saying I would do the same but I'm not going to demonize him for it either.
 
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Sage880 said:
I'm not going to demonize him for it either.
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I am. No excuses, this guy's pathetic. It's amusing, he tried to hide where his school was so he could gain more respect, yet in the process, everyone "in the know," when it comes to medical education has ended up thinking he is a lying scumbag. I actually would have given him credit for getting a plastics fellowship being an IMG, but the New York thing cemented him a place in the douche-bag all star club.
 
http://www.byregion.net/cgibin/users/profiles.pl?username=johnstraus#bio

I can't copy/paste from this guy's website due to TOS. But look under his credentials....😉.He did it a lot more clever than the "plastic" guy. Didn't you know that SABA is located in Gardner, MA...lol? But it's half true. This is where they take the money. Who cares about the country of the charter :laugh::meanie:?
 
Alright, you guys all seem to think this is a lot more deplorable than I do! But I thought about it a little and I guess it does kind of de-value the school and education if he's fudging or hiding details about it.

Ok, I will demonize him. But he's already in private plastics so I'm sure he's a douche bag regardless of what school he's from! 😀 (Kidding to all you future plastic surgeons out there...)
 
Meatwad said:
I am. No excuses, this guy's pathetic. It's amusing, he tried to hide where his school was so he could gain more respect, yet in the process, everyone "in the know," when it comes to medical education has ended up thinking he is a lying scumbag. I actually would have given him credit for getting a plastics fellowship being an IMG, but the New York thing cemented him a place in the douche-bag all star club.
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exactly my view also....

now if you want a real profile page that doesn't hide any of your accomplishments, and you are proud..this is what it should look like!

i think he looks like cleveland from family guy..haha

http://www.samhealth.org/find_a_physician/providerinfo.html?index=655&i=57576725659059&

at least he didnt say University of the West Indies in Indiana..lol
 
No one is really even impressed unless you go the the 'prestige' med schools anyway. Plus, if you are looking for a plastic surgeon and you base your decision on the med school AND NOT his work, then you are a douche. When it comes to plastics, it is 99% past work and word-of-mouth. I couldn't care less where they went to med school is they are artists.
 
Sage880 said:
But he's already in private plastics so I'm sure he's a douche bag regardless of what school he's from! 😀 (Kidding to all you future plastic surgeons out there...)
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Hahaha... no offense taken. I am also already a douche, so I should fit in nicely with my future colleagues. At least I'm an honest one, though.
 
As i mentioned lying is not a key to success. Be comfortable in your skin oh by the way I'm going to Ross university school of medicine in Alabama. It's new admission is free and you get a free lunch package as well. Join us today medical degree in less than a Year.

Ross, saba, or some lcme accredited school who cares eventually you'll have to pass the same exam, residency and boards.

State the truth, help other people out if you have gain success in life.

Sincerely,
BRS
 
least he didnt say University of the West Indies in Indiana.
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U.W.I is not an offshore school and is a well-respected school. No need to hide that.
 
I am not supporting someone's lie here, but I am still confused about how we judge the location of school. Most caribbean school students do all the rotations in US in hospitals affiliated with US medical schools. As far as going to school in caribbean or where ever, lots of school offer lectures online now. A student from US med school can get the recorded lectures in carribean on the beach, or vice versa. And lot of US medical school students do some of their rotations in other countries. And as someone mentioned that they all have to take same tests. So why the difference. Yeah he lied..no doubt... but is it such a big issue? And any Ross graduates here.. please post a copy of your degree so we can see what does it says on it. Dominica or NY. We dont know ..it might say NY or atleast when he graduates it said NY
 
SFSUdoc said:
I am not supporting someone's lie here, but I am still confused about how we judge the location of school. Most caribbean school students do all the rotations in US in hospitals affiliated with US medical schools. As far as going to school in caribbean or where ever, lots of school offer lectures online now. A student from US med school can get the recorded lectures in carribean on the beach, or vice versa. And lot of US medical school students do some of their rotations in other countries. And as someone mentioned that they all have to take same tests. So why the difference. Yeah he lied..no doubt... but is it such a big issue? And any Ross graduates here.. please post a copy of your degree so we can see what does it says on it. Dominica or NY. We dont know ..it might say NY or atleast when he graduates it said NY
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Dominica; a family member's doctor went to Ross. While waiting for them in the waiting room, I've looked at his diploma (which is how I discovered he's a Ross grad).

As for how to determine where your school is, since rotations are all over hte place, that's easy; wherever the school has it's charter. That is Dominica, not the United States.
 
tantrum said:
U.W.I is not an offshore school and is a well-respected school. No need to hide that.
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i have no doubt that its a well respected school. I just said that because it was poking fun. Sorry. I would know...this guy is amazing.
 
Meatwad said:
Dominica; a family member's doctor went to Ross. While waiting for them in the waiting room, I've looked at his diploma (which is how I discovered he's a Ross grad).

As for how to determine where your school is, since rotations are all over hte place, that's easy; wherever the school has it's charter. That is Dominica, not the United States.
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Once again, what does it says on his degree. If it says NY then he has right to put it as NY and issue should be taken up against the school for misleading students and public. If it says Dominica then he is wrong. Since I havent seen his degree, I wont be judging either him or his school, but would rather like to engage in discussion about the practice in general. Do patients care? Is person doing this to get more patients or he genuinely thinks that he has right to put his school location as NY? We know what it says in their profile, but what we dont know is that why they decide to put it there. So lets not rush to judge their character. And for your family member's doctor, how about giving him a call and questioning him about it. That will help you clear up things and you can post it here for us.
 
SFSUdoc said:
Once again, what does it says on his degree. If it says NY then he has right to put it as NY and issue should be taken up against the school for misleading students and public. If it says Dominica then he is wrong. Since I havent seen his degree, I wont be judging either him or his school, but would rather like to engage in discussion about the practice in general. Do patients care? Is person doing this to get more patients or he genuinely thinks that he has right to put his school location as NY? We know what it says in their profile, but what we dont know is that why they decide to put it there. So lets not rush to judge their character. And for your family member's doctor, how about giving him a call and questioning him about it. That will help you clear up things and you can post it here for us.
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NYS lists the medical school of the licensee. If you have the name of the doc, or a lic # just go here:
http://www.op.nysed.gov/opsearches.htm

I never checked specifically, but have friends who are in practice after ROSS and SGU, and lust true FMGs. I've never seen NY being listed there. Only a country of charter that confers graduate's degree:

It should look like this:
http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opscr2?profcd=60&plicno=179201

http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opscr2?profcd=60&plicno=166931

http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opscr2?profcd=60&plicno=165928

http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opscr2?profcd=60&plicno=160520

http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opscr2?profcd=60&plicno=153497

Well, you get the picture. Actually most for St.George and ROSS just say that (the University name). But I saw them list Grenada, WI and Dominica, WI respectively before.

http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opscr2?profcd=60&plicno=193593
 
SFSUdoc said:
Once again, what does it says on his degree. If it says NY then he has right to put it as NY and issue should be taken up against the school for misleading students and public. If it says Dominica then he is wrong. Since I havent seen his degree, I wont be judging either him or his school, but would rather like to engage in discussion about the practice in general. Do patients care? Is person doing this to get more patients or he genuinely thinks that he has right to put his school location as NY? We know what it says in their profile, but what we dont know is that why they decide to put it there. So lets not rush to judge their character. And for your family member's doctor, how about giving him a call and questioning him about it. That will help you clear up things and you can post it here for us.
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I wrote Dominica in my previous post, because I was stating the diploma says Dominica. I doubt they customize your diploma and put whatever state you want, which leads me to believe all Ross diplomas have Dominica on it. If Ross was putting NY, or any country other than Dominica on their diplomas, they would lose their position as a respectable off-shore school so fast your head would spin.
 
I know a internist who graduated from SGU and it says Grenada on the diploma.

Either way this is embarrassing for the doctors and even the schools because those docs represent the school.
 
In defense of the OP's original surgeon, he IS in Bakersfield, aka the armpit of California.

It is likely that his patient population is not very educated or savvy, and would not be the typical "90210" plastics patient who is more able to sniff out these details.
 
Meatwad said:
I am. No excuses, this guy's pathetic. It's amusing, he tried to hide where his school was so he could gain more respect, yet in the process, everyone "in the know," when it comes to medical education has ended up thinking he is a lying scumbag. I actually would have given him credit for getting a plastics fellowship being an IMG, but the New York thing cemented him a place in the douche-bag all star club.
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I have to agree. Especially when you consider the fact that Ross is one of the more reputable Caribbean schools. Its not like he was attending med school in some thatched hut.
 
I see a lot of interesting stuff like that...

I see DOs listed as MDs on websites of the hospital for which they work.
Accident? Intentional?

Does anyone know if the MD is awarded or if the title is 'granted' as part of the state licensing? I see a lot of DOs and MBBSs, etc....with 'MD' after their
name.

I guess I can see both sides of the coin. I checked the website for surgical
residents at CAMC in West Virginia and the Chief Resident is a graduate of
a med school in Pakistan and the other Chief (co) is a graduate of University
of the West Indies, Jamaica....
Also checked AUC grads in WV...one is Internal Medicine at WVU, one
preliminary surgery at Marshall, and another Internal Med/Psychiatry at CAMC.
Not too shabby....and that's 'just' AUC....sure there are Ross, SGU, etc...

Also saw that over 50% of FP docs are FMGs and I read somewhere that it's
approaching 25% of 'all' docs (in the US) are FMGs....

Like everyone on this board, above all else, I want to be a doctor. I will
get in the best school I can, do as well as I can in school and on the boards
and if you don't like where I went to med school....that's your problem. 🙂

I love the "Harvard of the Carribbean' quote. That would make an awesome
t-shirt.

👍
 
Lokhtar said:
If you have an MBBS, you are legally allowed to list M.D, as its seen as equivalent.

However, though a D.O is considered equivalent for all legal and other purposes, you still cannot claim a MD.
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True, except some hospitals lump all doctor's together and list them as MDs on the websites. I guess any DO who ever felt an inferiority complex would enjoy being on staff at those hospitals.

Example:

http://www.northshorelij.com/body.cfm?id=4676&plinkID=22

Check out the NYCOM, UNECOM, and Nova grads; all listed as MDs.

It's probably not legal, but it's beyond the residents' control (plus, I doubt they check the roster on the website). I personally find it less of an unethical activity than foreign grads pretending they went to American schools.
 
You're such a ****ing tool, you know that. Who cares what medical school he went to. Just as another poster stated, it's his work that he accomplished and not what school he went to, that matters, especially in the field that he is into. I am sure that somebody of that caliber has no reason/intention of hiding the truth about what school he went to.

Listen douche, what I'm trying to say is, making almost 7 figures now, I'm sure he doesn't have any shame about where he went.
 
Jonari said:
You're such a ****ing tool, you know that. Who cares what medical school he went to. Just as another poster stated, it's his work that he accomplished and not what school he went to, that matters, especially in the field that he is into. I am sure that somebody of that caliber has no reason/intention of hiding the truth about what school he went to.

Listen douche, what I'm trying to say is, making almost 7 figures now, I'm sure he doesn't have any shame about where he went.
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Can you read? Obviously he is quite ashamed of his education, or he wouldn't feel the need to change the location of his school. So there's a couple of scenarios, none of which are good for him:

1) He is an idiot and does not know where his school is, so he isn't lying when he thinks he went to med school in New York
2) He's ashamed he's a Caribbean grad and purposely tries to trick people into thinking he went to school in America

Neither make me have much confidence in him. If you had read our posts, you'd realize what we all said was that if he was just honest about where he went to school, we'd have no beef with him. Like you said, we'd respect him for his accomplishments, especially since he overcame more hurdles being an IMG getting into plastics. The fact he's so insecure about his school speaks volumes about his ego and how much it obviously pains him to realize he's just another Caribbean grad.
 
Meatwad said:
Apparently this is not an isolated incident.

First guy listed: http://health.uchc.edu/clinicalservices/primarycare/index.htm

Another: http://health.usf.edu/medicine/internalmedicine/geriatrics/faculty/perron.htm

And another: http://www.rwjuh.edu/physicians/physician_profile.aspx?

Are you kiding me...: http://www.rwjuh.edu/physicians/physician_profile.aspx?physicianid=2165

Deplorable: http://www.osfholyfamily.org/phydir.html

How utterly ridiculous. This is fraud.
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Wow....you'd think there would be more outrage about this. Someone made a good point above, point out the US residencies and whatnot, but I would seriously question the ethics of anyone who purposefully deceives their patients. It would make me wonder where else they have been 'flexible' in their ethical choices.

-t
 
Kimberli Cox said:
In defense of the OP's original surgeon, he IS in Bakersfield, aka the armpit of California.

It is likely that his patient population is not very educated or savvy, and would not be the typical "90210" plastics patient who is more able to sniff out these details.
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i agree, bakersfield is a disgrace to california
 
Therapist4Chnge said:
Wow....you'd think there would be more outrage about this. Someone made a good point above, point out the US residencies and whatnot, but I would seriously question the ethics of anyone who purposefully deceives their patients. It would make me wonder where else they have been 'flexible' in their ethical choices.

-t
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This is in fact the crux of the issue...where is the professionalism here?...If you are going to deceive people on trivial things like the location of your medical school, I wonder how easily he might decieve people in less trivial things that people will have no idea about. Someone said earlier that it could be because of business/financial reasons to draw patients, but how would you know where he draws the line...would he actually tell a patient that breast implants aren't in her best interest...telling a patient that breast implants would not be good for her is going agaisnt business...I dont mean to judge people because I really have no idea, but if the first thing I see on his profile is a blantant lie, then it would make me question what else he would hide...The trust for the doctor is more important than any medical school or residency, without the trust, nothing else matters.
 
Jonari said:
You're such a ****ing tool, you know that. Who cares what medical school he went to. Just as another poster stated, it's his work that he accomplished and not what school he went to, that matters, especially in the field that he is into. I am sure that somebody of that caliber has no reason/intention of hiding the truth about what school he went to.

Listen douche, what I'm trying to say is, making almost 7 figures now, I'm sure he doesn't have any shame about where he went.
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If you had bothered to read the whole thread, you would know that no one is busting on him for going to Ross. If he did, good for him. He managed to get into plastics, which is not easy for any IMG to get into.

The reason we're busting on him is because he lied about where he went to school by claiming that Ross University is in New York. It sounds like he is ashamed of where he went to med school.
 
Can someone call this guy and ask him why is he listing Ross, NY. Please someone do it so we can move on with our lives. And if he is jerk about it please call what ever the regulatory body is in california to deal with issues like this. I want to see a good thread, where we dont fight over why is location of degree wrong.
GOD no wonder we going to caribbean coz we got nothing else better to do with our lives.
 
SFSUdoc said:
Can someone call this guy and ask him why is he listing Ross, NY. Please someone do it so we can move on with our lives. And if he is jerk about it please call what ever the regulatory body is in california to deal with issues like this. I want to see a good thread, where we dont fight over why is location of degree wrong.
GOD no wonder we going to caribbean coz we got nothing else better to do with our lives.
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Well a lot of people spend time talking and talking trash here is a reason:
right from the ROSS web site:

http://www.rossu.edu/med/apply/

Ross Contact Address:

Ross University School of Medicine
Admissions Department
499 Thornall Street, 10th floor
Edison, NJ 08837
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So it seems this has been stretched a bit?
 
Edison, NJ is where their corporate office for the North East operations is located. They also have one in Miami, and somewhere out West. That's where they interview people, accept, reject, take your money etc. But ROSS University is chartered in the Commonwealth of Dominica. I don't care if DeVry wants to oppen office on the Dark side of the Moon...lol.

It'll be similar to posting St. James SOM, Chicago, IL 😱. That's where they take your money, but charter is in Bonaire, NA.

This should help clarify it: http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?c...e=&city=&region=&rname=&mcode=305010&psize=25

http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?c...e=&city=&region=&rname=&mcode=665030&psize=25

Please note differenece between "school address" meaning it's physical location, and "Contacts" which could be in U.S or anywhere in the World.

oldpro said:
Well a lot of people spend time talking and talking trash here is a reason:
right from the ROSS web site:

http://www.rossu.edu/med/apply/




So it seems this has been stretched a bit?
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NewHope said:
Edison, NJ is where their corporate office for the North East operations is located. They also have one in Miami, and somewhere out West. That's where they interview people, accept, reject, take your money etc. But ROSS University is chartered in the Commonwealth of Dominica. I don't care if DeVry wants to oppen office on the Dark side of the Moon...lol.

It'll be similar to posting St. James SOM, Chicago, IL 😱. That's where they take your money, but charter is in Bonaire, NA.

This should help clarify it: http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?c...e=&city=&region=&rname=&mcode=305010&psize=25

http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?c...e=&city=&region=&rname=&mcode=665030&psize=25

Please note differenece between "school address" meaning it's physical location, and "Contacts" which could be in U.S or anywhere in the World.
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Absolutely correct. Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Watch out guys. The spirit of "He Who Is Always Right -even when he's wrong" has been summoned in this thread (took longer than I thought). This thread will never end until "He Who Is Always Right -even when he's wrong" has the final word.
 
The funny part about this thread is that average people are so desperate to get plastic surgery that they will go to developing countries (i.e. Mexico) to get it done a little cheaper, but somehow this guy thinks he is losing business by going to a school in the Caribbean.

I am sure that if he is halfway decent surgeon (and would charge about 30% less than everyone else), he would have a line around the corner of his office no matter where he went to med school.
 
OK we got the point..he is guy who lacks confidence to say he went to caribbean and I promise I wont do it if i goto caribbean. Can we PLEASE move on now or do I have to pull moveon.org kinda stunt here. There are better things we can discuss. AND did anyone called him to ask him why is it new york and not in caribbean. I guess not..we just like to bitch at each other and not call the guy.
 
SFSUdoc said:
OK we got the point..he is guy who lacks confidence to say he went to caribbean and I promise I wont do it if i goto caribbean. Can we PLEASE move on now or do I have to pull moveon.org kinda stunt here. There are better things we can discuss. AND did anyone called him to ask him why is it new york and not in caribbean. I guess not..we just like to bitch at each other and not call the guy.
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This thread sure does make you antsy, doesn't it? No one is forcing you to come in here and listen to us "bitch." We will stop discussing the issue when we feel everything that we would like to say has been said. Who cares if there are better things to discuss? There are also worse things; this is a moot point.

There's no reason in e-mailing the guy; he will not respond, unless one of us threatens to contact the California medical board. If we do that, he'll probably threaten to sue. Why get involved in that mess?
 
McGillGrad said:
The funny part about this thread is that average people are so desperate to get plastic surgery that they will go to developing countries (i.e. Mexico) to get it done a little cheaper, but somehow this guy thinks he is losing business by going to a school in the Caribbean.

I am sure that if he is halfway decent surgeon (and would charge about 30% less than everyone else), he would have a line around the corner of his office no matter where he went to med school.
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:laugh: Absolutely. Unless you are catering to the ritziest clients, no one will care where you went to school or where you did your residency. If you can hang a shingle that says "Plastic Surgeon," and you haven't been shut down by the state for fraud, that's about all the credentials 95% of people care about.

Look at that show Dr. 90210, for example. One of the doctors is a DO, running a very successful dermatology practice in one of, if not the, most image conscious part of the world; LA. So if you can "get away with," not being an MD and practicing dermatology in LA, I don't see why being an IMG MD and doing plastics in some dumpy city would cause a problem.
 
SFSUdoc said:
OK we got the point..he is guy who lacks confidence to say he went to caribbean and I promise I wont do it if i goto caribbean. Can we PLEASE move on now or do I have to pull moveon.org kinda stunt here. There are better things we can discuss. AND did anyone called him to ask him why is it new york and not in caribbean. I guess not..we just like to bitch at each other and not call the guy.
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Are you the post police? Why does it bother you so much? You can always choose to ignore the post.👍
 
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