Ross University's Next Location

[Clarus]

It seems, based on this article, that Ross will be heading out of Dominica, possibly even permanently, to relocate the medical school. I think more info is coming out soon.

Ross University leaving Dominica after 40 years | Dominica Vibes News

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[Caribpro]

I said this from the beginning but everyone said I was a liar...

 

[newyorkz]

will it lose Dominica Medical Board accreditation?

 

[deleted888443]

There will be an announcement from the school in about 30 mins

 

[deleted888443]

Adtalem Global Education Announces Barbados as New Location for Ross University School of Medicine

We're going to barbados

 

[Clarus]

Adtalem Global Education Announces Barbados as New Location for Ross University School of Medicine

We're going to barbados

Barbados has its ups and downs but I think in the long run, this will definitely benefit students and faculty more so.

 

[Clarus]

will it lose Dominica Medical Board accreditation?

Not likely, but it'll be accredited wherever it goes. If they move, they'll get accreditation elsewhere.

 

[Skip Intro]

I said this from the beginning but everyone said I was a liar...

No, this is exactly what you said:

a little birdy told me they are considering moving Ross med to St. Kitts with the vet school. $100 says it happens.

you heard it here first kids 😉

Ross "Floating University"

And, you were wrong.

On a separate note, this will be devastating to the Dominican economy. I know that Skerrit is trying to keep, as the British put it, a "stiff upper lip" in his announcement, but this is going to be a huge blow to a tiny island nation that is trying to recover from the worst natural disaster in its relatively brief history as an independent country.

But, to Adtalem, business is business.

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[Caribpro]

I made multiple comments about how they weren't likely going back to Dominica and I was right.

Adtalem tried to take advantage of the country following this horrible disaster and I am proud of Dominica for standing up to their bullying and dishonest business practices. The country is better off without those people there and they will bounce back.

 

[Raney Schauer]

Devil's advocate: Dominica had since 1978 to harden the infrastructure and insure themselves in order to guarantee that in case of a natural disaster such as occurred last September they would not lose RUSM in what has turned out to be the most predictable possible turn of events for them.

Instead, looking at before and after shots, they skated by on the bare minimum and it bit them in the collective seat.

RUSM will probably (if they haven't already) write off the old campus and let Dominica eminent domain it. If they (Dominica) are anything resembling savvy, they'll re-invest and develop a new school in that space.

Watching that announcement video, Skerritt said "We don't need lawyers" offhandedly. Whenever someone in a position like that says you don't need lawyers, you need double the amount of lawyers.

If I were Adtalem, after dealing with these guys for any length of time I wouldn't blame them one bit for backing away from these jokers as fast as they could.

I'm sure over the course of the last year RUSM gave them as much room as possible and probably more than enough support to help them so that they wouldn't have to go through the expense of a full-on relocation.

The government of Barbados, on the other hand, likely came up with an attractive concessions package, supported by the much more together economic outlook supported by industries such as bauxite mining and sugar and a GDP that's nearly 6 times larger. They're currently in loan default with the French government and this deal will help their portfolio as they roll through debt restructuring with IMF.

I feel for Dominica, but they have not been well led or managed.

TL;DR RUSM gave Dominica 40 years to get their ish together.

 

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The country is better off without those people there and they will bounce back.

RUSM was responsible for roughly 30% of the country's GDP. This very statement of yours, by itself, is illustrative of your general inability to grasp basic concepts.

I remember when Westin Resorts approached Dominica and offered to build a luxury resort on the Atlantic side of the island. They were going to bring jobs, money-spending tourists, and a badly needed improvement to their airport. Being done under the guise of the then-burgeoning "Eco Tourism" industry, it was going to be done with great care to the local wildlife and flora with the goal of preserving the nature island's standing as a World Heritage site.

What was the Dominican government's reponse?

They told Westin they could lease the land, that they'd have to pay 50% percent of their revenues (i.e. a massive tax) back to the government, and in 20 years the property and all the buildings on it would revert back to Dominica. What do you think Westin's response was (after they picked themselves up off the floor where they'd fallen in a fit of laughter)? "Thank you, Dominica. But, we'll pass."

Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. So, yeah, "Caribpro". Dominica is much better without 'those people' there. 🙄

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[Raney Schauer]

RUSM was responsible for roughly 30% of the country's GDP. This very statement of yours, by itself, is illustrative of your general inability to grasp basic concepts......
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I have Caribpro on block (one of the first things I did when I created this account) and can't see the quote, so I can only imagine what inane, Dunning-Kruger fueled screed prompted this response.

 

[deleted936442]

I speculate that anyone attending or wanting to start attending at Ross at this time is entering into a huge risk. It always was a risk but now it’s transitioning into something else.

 

[deleted888443]

I speculate that anyone attending or wanting to start attending at Ross at this time is entering into a huge risk. It always was a risk but now it’s transitioning into something else.

Why do you say this?

 

[Raney Schauer]

I speculate that anyone attending or wanting to start attending at Ross at this time is entering into a huge risk. It always was a risk but now it’s transitioning into something else.

yup, stay away

Neither of you have a clue what you're talking about. Two more for the Ignore list.

 

[deleted936442]

Whats the matter Raney? Other people aren't allowed to have opinions?

I'm under the Adtelem umbrella, very aware of whats going on.

After those hurricanes, there's no reason to attend ROSS/AUC when SGU is still around.

Until SGU gets a hurricane lol there’s a lot more reasons and it has to do mostly with the accreditation.

 

[deleted888443]

Until SGU gets a hurricane lol there’s a lot more reasons and it has to do mostly with the accreditation.

But they do have accreditation...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekin...dell-q2-2018-results-earnings-call-transcript
“We have received approval from CAAM-HP to operate in Barbados with CAAM-HP as our primary accreditor. Students will begin the January 2019 semester in Barbados pending final regulatory approval from the U.S. Department of Education.”

Also, CAAM-HP website says they have extended accreditation until December 2019, I’m guessing they want Ross to establish themselves in Barbados before they grant further time

 

[deleted936442]

Grenada is pretty far south

All three of the schools have the same accreditation

SGU has slightly better residency placements

That is true until a lot of US schools follow the early NYU trend of making the whole ride free. They might definitely even increase class size and that might have an effect on the Caribbean. Most Caribbean students no matter the school match into internal med and that might not be an option for long. SGU provides a degree but you have to fight 10x more than your American counterparts and even that’s not enough.
Aside from all that how are the fall 2017 class of ross going to gain recognition? Is it by Dominica, st.kitts, Tennessee or Barbados?

 

[deleted888443]

That is true until a lot of US schools follow the early NYU trend of making the whole ride free. They might definitely even increase class size and that might have an effect on the Caribbean. Most Caribbean students no matter the school match into internal med and that might not be an option for long. SGU provides a degree but you have to fight 10x more than your American counterparts and even that’s not enough.
Aside from all that how are the fall 2017 class of ross going to gain recognition? Is it by Dominica, st.kitts, Tennessee or Barbados?

Dominica Medical Board until December 2018, then I’m guessing Barbados Medical Council starting from January 2019.
You need to research more on how accreditation works.

 

[Skip Intro]

all I'm saying

SGU>>>>AUC/ROSS easily for the next couple years

These schools are already absurdly dysfunctional

Completely effed when you add rebuilding infrastructure (SXM) and growing pains (Ross)

Everyone on the comeup, DO>>>SGU>>>>>>>>>>ROSS/AUC

Please explain the bolded statement. Because, as is, this is completely meaningless and throw-away.

Many schools have transitioned to other islands. There is already a substantial infrastructure and funding in place (Ross) and the Caricom/CAAM-HP accreditation standards, if nothing else, have vastly improved the overall standards and expectations in the region. These schools have graduated literally thousands of doctors practicing in the U.S. (AUC and Ross).

I'm not discounting the challenges and obstacles choosing this pathway, and they are numerous. I'm just more interested in discussing facts rather than pointless, unsupported, and reckless bashing. You've provided nothing of the former and everything of the latter. Maybe this kind of post flies in the pre-med forum; it doesn't here.

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[Skip Intro]

That is true until a lot of US schools follow the early NYU trend of making the whole ride free. They might definitely even increase class size and that might have an effect on the Caribbean. Most Caribbean students no matter the school match into internal med and that might not be an option for long. SGU provides a degree but you have to fight 10x more than your American counterparts and even that’s not enough.

RE: the bolded part of your statement

1) People have been saying this exact same thing for literally decades.
2) There is nothing that historically supports this statement. In fact, the opposite has been true. There have been a greater number of spots awarded to Caribbean grads, not fewer.

Everything else you say in that statement is utter nonsense.

Aside from all that how are the fall 2017 class of ross going to gain recognition? Is it by Dominica, st.kitts, Tennessee or Barbados?

You fail to demonstrate even a cursory understanding of how the accreditation process works. Why should we accept your above statements (or anything else you say) as authoritative on matters Caribbean?

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[deleted936442]

Skip people have been saying

RE: the bolded part of your statement

1) People have been saying this exact same thing for literally decades.
2) There is nothing that historically supports this statement. In fact, the opposite has been true. There have been a greater number of spots awarded to Caribbean grads, not fewer.

Everything else you say in that statement is utter nonsense.



You fail to demonstrate even a cursory understanding of how the accreditation process works. Why should we accept your above statements (or anything else you say) as authoritative on matters Caribbean?

-Skip

People have been saying it but now there’s action being taken. I bet you never thought your school would be totally uprooted. Things change and they will change.There’s already a small amount of residences due to the federal budget. As for accreditation i was just being a bit humorous about the situation.

 

[deleted936442]

I personally knew a few who waited almost 3 years for a residency from both Ross and SGU. As for other schools it took longer.New programs means more students and the residency cap hasn’t changed since the late 90s. Preference will always remain first towards American MD then DO.Read the article. I’m not spewing nonsensical arguments.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.st...dical-students-know-fight-residency-caps/amp/

 

[deleted936442]

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill....cy-slots-may-have-chilling-effect-on-next?amp

 

[deleted936442]

Dude if you're meant to be in medical school you won't have a problem matching

The problem is, 50% of the students are lying to themselves

If there's any doubt you're gonna have trouble matching (baseline primary care), then pursue other careers

BC damn you gotta be sure to borrow 400k

I agree and the aspect that personally scares me more than the loans are the high interest rates.