Roswell Park Cancer Institute RPCI ..any idea about this program?

[Pathoresident]

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Pathology fellowships in surg path

 

[djmd]

I think I can answer any questions about this program. 😀
(PM me if there is something more specific)

Like most Cancer centers they do not have residents, which translates into more service work for fellows. (there are rotating residents) However, the goal is always to focus the service work on slides not grossing tissue. They have good support staff (lots of help in the grossing room), and a wide variety of cases, including lots of consults.

Most of the faculty are very approachable and friendly. You do get time for research and elective time, which is pretty protected.

 

[Pathoresident]

THank you for your reply.

 

[DarksideAllstar]

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[TheWhiz]

Are the fellows at Roswell Park expected to perform autopsies?

 

[djmd]

Are the fellows at Roswell Park expected to perform autopsies?

Yes, but they are generally very few in number...

 

[Dermbound00]

There are two programs mentioned above that are basically Pathology Grossing Boot Camps. I do not understand why any person that is not a FMG or a resident performing less than adequately would chose to do a fellowship at those insititutions. They are very structured, demanding and extremely strict with your time, and require a high percentage of your time in the gross room. Grossing is for first year residents and beyond that should be minimal to none. If prospective employers want someone to gross they will hire a technician, a PA, or maybe even a small domestic animal. Where you make money in Pathology is signing cases out. The only way you can be good at this is evaluating an extraordinary amount of glass slides. If you are grossing beyond your first year and even worse in your fellowship, you need to seriously reconsider.

 

[pathdoc68]

There are two programs mentioned above that are basically Pathology Grossing Boot Camps. I do not understand why any person that is not a FMG or a resident performing less than adequately would chose to do a fellowship at those insititutions. They are very structured, demanding and extremely strict with your time, and require a high percentage of your time in the gross room. Grossing is for first year residents and beyond that should be minimal to none. If prospective employers want someone to gross they will hire a technician, a PA, or maybe even a small domestic animal. Where you make money in Pathology is signing cases out. The only way you can be good at this is evaluating an extraordinary amount of glass slides. If you are grossing beyond your first year and even worse in your fellowship, you need to seriously reconsider.

Amen bro!

 

[green mantis]

There are two programs mentioned above that are basically Pathology Grossing Boot Camps. I do not understand why any person that is not a FMG or a resident performing less than adequately would chose to do a fellowship at those insititutions. They are very structured, demanding and extremely strict with your time, and require a high percentage of your time in the gross room. Grossing is for first year residents and beyond that should be minimal to none. If prospective employers want someone to gross they will hire a technician, a PA, or maybe even a small domestic animal. Where you make money in Pathology is signing cases out. The only way you can be good at this is evaluating an extraordinary amount of glass slides. If you are grossing beyond your first year and even worse in your fellowship, you need to seriously reconsider.

I'm sure some people go for the name recognition & the potential job offers attributed w/ that. Also, those 2 programs also have many subspecialty fellowships that usually require doing SP there 1st.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of SP fellowships that require call or actual grossing. Those are jobs for residents. I think I did more than enough of both during residency.


----- Antony

 

[yaah]

Personally, I'm not a big fan of SP fellowships that require call or acutal grossing. Those are jobs for residents. I think I did more than enough of both during residency.

Well, many SP fellowships have the fellows doing call in place of the attendings- that is a good experience which I don't think people should avoid.

 

[pathofreak]

There are two programs mentioned above that are basically Pathology Grossing Boot Camps. I do not understand why any person that is not a FMG or a resident performing less than adequately would chose to do a fellowship at those insititutions. They are very structured, demanding and extremely strict with your time, and require a high percentage of your time in the gross room. Grossing is for first year residents and beyond that should be minimal to none. If prospective employers want someone to gross they will hire a technician, a PA, or maybe even a small domestic animal. Where you make money in Pathology is signing cases out. The only way you can be good at this is evaluating an extraordinary amount of glass slides. If you are grossing beyond your first year and even worse in your fellowship, you need to seriously reconsider.

I'm pretty sure that MSKCC only has 6 weeks of grossing the entire year. That's actually pretty good since it gives experience grossing complicated neoplastic bone and head & neck / facial resection cases. I wouldn't mind a short refresher in grossing. It's worth it when the remaining 48 weeks is spent writing up cases on the subspecialty rotations. I don't know MD Anderson's format, but I've heard from direct sources that neither of these programs are grossing factories.

 

[Matte Kudesai]

I'm pretty sure that MSKCC only has 6 weeks of grossing the entire year. That's actually pretty good since it gives experience grossing complicated neoplastic bone and head & neck / facial resection cases. I wouldn't mind a short refresher in grossing. It's worth it when the remaining 48 weeks is spent writing up cases on the subspecialty rotations. I don't know MD Anderson's format, but I've heard from direct sources that neither of these programs are grossing factories.

Actually you have 6 weeks on the books but it ends up being more. Do you really want to do this as a senior trainee?

After post graduate training residents in other specialties do things like:
MOHS fellowships.
Microsurgery hand fellowship...
Etc.


In path should alleged premier fellowship training (above mentioned programs) consist of experiencing grossing a hemipelvectomy... and comparing it to conquering Mount Everest?
Do other specialties in medicine offer this "refresher" first year resident option?

If you came from a small program with 8,000 surgicals then you might as well gross for another year...

In talking to grads from these programs you end up grossing much more than the 6 weeks which includes weekends as needed..

You also have to prepare your cases. There is always promises of more PA's to help...but they may or may not be hired.