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I am having a hard time making the leap to running resuscitations. I have the knowledge but am having a hard time shouting orders to a room full of people. I think it is largely from a lack of confidence (imposter syndrome). Does anyone have advice for overcoming this?

Thanks
 
NORMAL.
You. Are. Normal.

It takes a lot of confidence to step up and run things, and that is what residency is for. Are you a resident? If you're still a med student (which you might or might not be - hard to tell with your status the way it is), you shouldn't be... until someone more senior arrives. If you're a resident, it comes in time. (And this mostly refers to code situations, but is widely applicable.) Practice makes perfect in most of life, but remember that what we do professionally is called practice. So once you are aware that you are the most senior person in the room (attending slinking in the corner notwithstanding), you announce yourself and ask who is in charge. And if the nurses say "you are" - well, there you go. Eventually it will be second nature. Watch what your seniors and attendings do - and be fully prepared to walk into a room where there is some subspecialist with a zillion years of practice in some other specialty who immediately defers to you, because it WILL happen, and it will feel freaky weird, but know that you are at the top of your game, you know what to do, and there is NEVER harm in asking if there is anything else anyone would do.

Time, young padawan. Even the most skittish of EM residents comes into their own.
 
Fake it till ya make it.

Speak clearly.

Delegate tasks.

Think about things but don't vocalize your internal hemming and hawing. Make a decision and do it.

Project confidence even when you have little or none.

You'll get there - the fact that you are even thinking about this likely means that you're better than you give yourself credit for.
 
I think it is largely from a lack of confidence (imposter syndrome). Does anyone have advice for overcoming this?

You know how sometimes at night you think about that cringy thing you did years ago? It's like you're living it over again. How often do you think about the cringy stuff others did? Rarely, if ever. Realizing that is really liberating--people don't really care about you that much.

Think about resuscitations like that. You will be wrong (you're a resident, after all), but it doesn't matter. In the end you will be corrected, the patient will get the right care, and no one will ever think about it again. Do you really think next month at the water cooler the nurses will say "can you believe @sandiego1 thought the patient's torsade's was Vfib?" Odds are a lot of people in the room will have the same doubts as you and are just happy someone else is leading.
 
I am having a hard time making the leap to running resuscitations. I have the knowledge but am having a hard time shouting orders to a room full of people. I think it is largely from a lack of confidence (imposter syndrome). Does anyone have advice for overcoming this?

Thanks
To answer this, I need to know if you are a medical student? Resident? What year?

Without knowing that, I'll give a partial answer, assuming you're a medical student like your bio says. It's almost entirely about the voice. If you walk into a chaotic room where someone is coding, push your way to the head of the bed and loudly, confidently and forcefully booming orders across the room, you'll notice that almost immediately everything changes in the room. It's almost like a disorganized beehive that's waiting for it's Leader and once it senses the Leader's presence, it calms down, becomes organized, finds purpose and works efficiently. But until it's sensed that an Alpha has stepped up and assumed that role, no one knows what to do.

Who's the Leader, who's the Alpha?
Like everywhere else in life, it's who says they are, who steps up to the plate, who steps through the fear and puts him/herself in the hot-seat.

It almost doesn't matter if what you're doing or saying is right, just that you're projecting Alpha vibes. Prior to being in EM, I was not an Alpha by nature. This was something I had to learn.

Try it sometime. Step right up to the head of the bed and f---ing take charge. Just do it. You'll be amazed. It works. The more you do it, the easier it becomes. And the beauty of it is, if you do this and you're in a code on some random floor running it forcefully, you'll see senior people roll in that easily could step in and run it. But they don't. Because they see you Alpha dogging the whole situation. But that's the cool think. If you totally start f---ing, they'll step in, and whatever...you learn from it and will do ten times better next time.

But, back to the start. If you are a medial student, you probably don't have to worry about running codes, entirely. You should try if you're the first MD there. And you just might end up running one, if more senior people show up and you're killing it. But as a medical student, you probably don't need to worry about this just yet.

But let me help you here: 99% of this is having the confidence. 1% is knowing the protocols. That an important 1%. You need to know it cold. But the hard 99% if just mustering up the confidence to take a stab at it.

I'm sure you know the "ABCs" and the ACLS stuff. But they make it messier that is needs to be. I look at codes (medical ones) as basically "airway" and "everything else."

You must must must get the airway stuff down cold. Nurses with know enough ACLS to start suggesting, electricity, meds and drawing them up, before you even order them. But they won't know airway at all. It takes time. The most important thing to learn is the basics. Start with learning how to put a nasal or oral airway in a patient and bag with it in. If you can confidently learn how to do this you just bought yourself ETERNAL seeming amounts of time in every code. Panic melts into calm oxygenation. Then you slow your own breathing down because your patients sat is no longer 55%, it's 99% and you haven't even started yet. Then you can plan your definitive airway.

Intubating: Like any procedure, it's volume, volume, volume. Intubate in the OR, on dummies, on babies, on adults, in the ED, in the ICU, SICU, traumas. Intubate every chance you get. Only volume allows you to cross from that "I feel like I'm lost" feeling to the "Damnit, it just clicked. I get it!" feeling.

Confidence
Airway
Then the meds and ACLS/ATLS stuff flows easily.

I remember the days when I was thinking, "Holy s**t. I don't know how I'm ever going to be able to do this." And then one day I was an expert in it, proficient and confident.

It'll happen for you too. You're in training. It'll take a while to get it right. But you can't ever do that until you dive in. Some take the leap (with supervision). Tell your next resident on your next rotation, "I'm running the next code. Back me up." Before you do this, walk through it in your head. Visualize walking into a chaotic room. Where do you walk to? What do you say? What's your first action? Also, watch codes run by pro's and mimic the best of the best.

And dive in. It's easier than you think.
 
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He’s a third year resident that is currently remedeating so won’t graduate until winter of 2019 if all goes well.

You don’t really have much time left to prove yourself. For your career, you really need to take the advise of “fake it till you make it” or work your butt off to correct this because having these sort of issues 2.5 years into residency is not that common, and could certainly be used as a reason to not graduate you. Practice in your head various scenarios and what you would advise the team to do. Mentally preparing for resuscitations in my head helped me significantly with high pressure situations. Tell your sim director if, you have one, to let you train several times a week with various situations.
 
Throughout residency, being more confident was probably the most common thing on my evals. Imposter syndrome had a impact on me and still does. Female, first person to graduate from college in my family with a bachelors degree, chief resident, highest score on inservice for either my class/entire residency for multiple years. I had a bad case of comparing-yourself-itis. You have to realize that your residency wouldn’t have accepted you if they didn’t they could do it. You’ve made it to third year. People are relying on you to know your stuff. And if you don’t, at least know where to look. EM isn’t a solo sport, it’s a team effort. Being well-liked and humble will go a long way.
 
And watch how different attendings run sick patients. Some will be insane and act like a chicken with their head cut off. Others will be calm, like a nice duck on surface, not so calm underneath.
 
And watch how different attendings run sick patients.Some will be insane and act like a chicken with their head cut off. Others will be calm, like a nice duck on surface, not so calm underneath.
I never understood this in the ED. It's your entire job to be calm under pressure when you choose a career in the ED, ICU or trauma. Most are. But I've seen a few that were freak shows, but thought they were the s**t, yet couldn't keep their cool when they absolutely should have. Everyone would rather have the cool headed docs running their codes.

I met a trauma patient in our trauma bay, once. It was called in as, "gunshot to the chest with normal vitals" was how it was called in. When they rolled him in, he was upright, and awake. I was slightly surprise that he was so alert, in no distress. He answered my questions calmly. That he alertly answered my questions gave me a comfort level there was no impending tension pneumo or impending cardiovascular collapse (still not ruled out). My next move was to put my finger on his radial pulse as we talked and simultaneously glanced at his vitals: All stone cold normal. His pulse was bounding. I gained a tremendous amount of information in the first 5 seconds: This guy was not (likely) imminently dying. I still needed to prove that to myself, though. Nurses were placing IVs without me ordering them as the guy told me what happened. His breath sounds were equal. I worked through my ATLS survey.

Right then the trauma surgeon barreled in like a freak show, acting like he was in a near farking panic. He started screaming about blood, "why aren't you hanging blood, why isn't he intubated?!" jumping the gun on all kinds of crap. He looked at me like I was an idiot. When he finally calmed down enough to talk to me like a human, I said, "Does it matter that this guy isn't injured at all? That he doesn't even have a gunshot wound? That he got his 'gunshot wound' in his chest when he heard shots, dove on the ground and his upper chest was scraped by a 1 cm piece of glass that hit a vein and bled a lot, causing him to panic and scream, "I've been shot! I've been shot!"? I held up the piece up glass that I picked out of of his superficial chest wound.

I looked at the guy, kind of laughing under my breath, he looked at me, clearly feeling like a tool for panicking for no reason when he was supposed to be the "big new trauma doc" at the hospital (ten years older than me at the time) and I walked away shaking my head.

It's amazing how quickly you can lose respect for someone, at times.
 
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Don’t sweat it. Codes are easy. The confidence will come... Most of the time there is very little brain power involved. Much like trauma. Don’t show any weakness, be decisive, and always stay calm and in control. There’s less medicine and more voodoo involved in codes than you probably realize.

Like most things in life, practice makes perfect.
 
I'm a third year resident now. I felt like you do when I was earlier in my training and didn't want to look like an idiot when I asked for Roc and the attending wanted Sux. Or when I wanted an IO on the hypotensive patient with no access and the attending wanted a CVL. Now I am more confident in my knowledge and my "style", I just call out what I want to do confidently and if the attending wants to change the plan, that's fine. If I'm on the fence about something, I just step to the side and discuss it with the attending. Some attendings are the "freak out" type and run in the room and yell a bunch of random **** and take over and in that situation I just sit back and put it the orders/do my notes. That's not my style and I'm not going to run around like a chicken with my head cut off just so I can "be in charge". It will come with time and experience. Just read/learn a lot and be confident you know what you are doing. There is a lot of variability in people/attendings so you won't always be "right" in that way, but you probably won't be wrong when it really comes down to it, either.
 
Part of it also has to do with being a resident. I used to dread codes even as a senior resident. I sometimes had the feeling like I was never really in charge. Even if my attending was quietly standing on the sideline and didn’t make one sound, always still felt awkward. Now as an attending, codes are like any other patient. Run it however I want without having to think every decision is being judged my a more experienced doc, etc.
 
I'm a third year resident now. I felt like you do when I was earlier in my training and didn't want to look like an idiot when I asked for Roc and the attending wanted Sux. Or when I wanted an IO on the hypotensive patient with no access and the attending wanted a CVL. Now I am more confident in my knowledge and my "style", I just call out what I want to do confidently and if the attending wants to change the plan, that's fine. If I'm on the fence about something, I just step to the side and discuss it with the attending.

Yes, this is a huge part of it that only comes with experience. When you disagree with others it may not be that you're wrong--you both may be right, you both may be wrong, or they're the wrong ones.
 
The OP makes me immediately think about trauma.

One of the most common remarks in this forum is that "trauma is boring...just ATLS algorithm". Well, here is yet one more reason why trauma is important in residency. There is so much to be gained by "running a trauma", including the confidence and skills that come from directing a team of physicians (often including trauma surgeons; sometimes with more experience and knowledge), nurses, and ancillary staff.

I can't imagine a resident who has truly run traumas (not just ABCDE ATLS nonsense) with the concerns expressed by the OP.

HH
 
I always teach my junior residents that I have four things that I ask for when walking into a situation (New critical ED patient, RRT, ICU patient falling apart, whatever):

1). Current VS
2) IV access
3) Oxygen/resp devices
4) Fingerstick glucose

Not only are these important things that you need for all patients, but in the context of a critical situation, it gives everyone something to do. You just confidently ask for all of them, you get to portray that air of cool and control, and it buys you time to step back, assess the patient, and try to figure out what the **** is going on.
 
I always teach my junior residents that I have four things that I ask for when walking into a situation (New critical ED patient, RRT, ICU patient falling apart, whatever):

1). Current VS
2) IV access
3) Oxygen/resp devices
4) Fingerstick glucose

Add code status to that.

I continue to be amazed how EMS's response to me asking this question is always "I don't know." Sooooooo if the patient coded en route, you would just code them even though they might be DNR/DNI?
 
I am having a hard time making the leap to running resuscitations. I have the knowledge but am having a hard time shouting orders to a room full of people. I think it is largely from a lack of confidence (imposter syndrome). Does anyone have advice for overcoming this?

Thanks

Yea that's OK. Once you realize that your trying to revive someone dead, you realize the odds are slim and there are no really good, proven interventions besides good chest compressions and defibrillating if applicable.

So it doesnt matter if you give 1 epi, 2 epi, 3 epi, 4 epi, 1 sodium bicarb, 2 sodium bicarb, 3 sodium bicarb, 1 calcium chloride, 2 calcium gluconate, 3 calcium gluconate, 1 atropine, 2 atropine, 1 amiodarone, 2 amiodarone, 3 amiodarone, 4 amiodarone, 1L IVF, 2L IVF, 3L IVF, 1 dextrose, 2 dextrose.

You get the point.

I think some of the hardest cases, and thankfully these are very very rare....are when someone comes in with a mild complaint and they DIE in the ED within like 30 minutes. Like they come in dizzy, or have weak chest pain, or weak shortness of breath when they really are not short of breath. They are wide awake and look calm. Then you come back 30 minutes later and they are dead. That's happened to me once or twice. I work on those patients harder.
 
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