Rutgers (IS) vs. NYU (w/scholarship)

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Today I was accepted to 6 dental school programs!!! I still have a post-dec interview with Columbia in late January. Anyways, I am torn between Rutgers and NYU. I unexpectedly got a $20,000 a year scholarship to NYU and I am super humbled & grateful to have received that. I want to be a general dentist & do not want to specialize, but I am specifically interested in pursuing aesthetic/cosmetic dentistry in my future career. I would appreciate any input from students at either of these schools so I can try to figure out where I want to attend.

Rutgers

Pros:
  • In-state tuition
  • Strong clinical experience
  • Amazing local outreach opportunities
  • Large patient pool
Cons:
  • Not the best location - which is a big deal for me
  • Heard it could be a little competitive?? (would appreciate if someone would comment on this)
NYU

Pros:
  • Pioneer in aesthetic/cosmetic dentistry
  • Amazing global outreach programs - I would love to do one!
  • Large patient pool
  • In the heart of NYC - all of my closest friends + boyfriend will be in the area. I have always dreamed of living in New York in my mid-20's.
  • Strong network for alumni
Cons:
  • Cost (but I do have a 20k a year scholarship)
    • Also, I would possibly live with my boyfriend in NYC (We have been dating over 3 years) and I would not have to pay rent if I lived with him.
  • Huge class size

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Today I was accepted to 6 dental school programs!!! I still have a post-dec interview with Columbia in late January. Anyways, I am torn between Rutgers and NYU. I unexpectedly got a $20,000 a year scholarship to NYU and I am super humbled & grateful to have received that. I want to be a general dentist & do not want to specialize, but I am specifically interested in pursuing aesthetic/cosmetic dentistry in my future career. I would appreciate any input from students at either of these schools so I can try to figure out where I want to attend.

Rutgers

Pros:
  • In-state tuition
  • Strong clinical experience
  • Amazing local outreach opportunities
  • Large patient pool
Cons:
  • Not the best location - which is a big deal for me
  • Heard it could be a little competitive?? (would appreciate if someone would comment on this)
NYU

Pros:
  • Pioneer in aesthetic/cosmetic dentistry
  • Amazing global outreach programs - I would love to do one!
  • Large patient pool
  • In the heart of NYC - all of my closest friends + boyfriend will be in the area. I have always dreamed of living in New York in my mid-20's.
  • Strong network for alumni
Cons:
  • Cost (but I do have a 20k a year scholarship)
    • Also, I would possibly live with my boyfriend in NYC (We have been dating over 3 years) and I would not have to pay rent if I lived with him.
  • Huge class size
cheapest
 
It seems to be a tough decision esp since NYU has a lot of pros specific to you, but tuition is definitely something to think about. I'm a current D1 at Rutgers and just wanna say its not competitive at all!! We all work together as a class to share study guides and help each other out🙂
 
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Today I was accepted to 6 dental school programs!!! I still have a post-dec interview with Columbia in late January. Anyways, I am torn between Rutgers and NYU. I unexpectedly got a $20,000 a year scholarship to NYU and I am super humbled & grateful to have received that. I want to be a general dentist & do not want to specialize, but I am specifically interested in pursuing aesthetic/cosmetic dentistry in my future career. I would appreciate any input from students at either of these schools so I can try to figure out where I want to attend.

Rutgers

Pros:
  • In-state tuition
  • Strong clinical experience
  • Amazing local outreach opportunities
  • Large patient pool
Cons:
  • Not the best location - which is a big deal for me
  • Heard it could be a little competitive?? (would appreciate if someone would comment on this)
NYU

Pros:
  • Pioneer in aesthetic/cosmetic dentistry
  • Amazing global outreach programs - I would love to do one!
  • Large patient pool
  • In the heart of NYC - all of my closest friends + boyfriend will be in the area. I have always dreamed of living in New York in my mid-20's.
  • Strong network for alumni
Cons:
  • Cost (but I do have a 20k a year scholarship)
    • Also, I would possibly live with my boyfriend in NYC (We have been dating over 3 years) and I would not have to pay rent if I lived with him.
  • Huge class size
Sorry, unrelated to your question but was the scholarship offer in the acceptance email?
 
Let's take this line-by-line since afternoon patients were canceled due to the snowpocalyse. Hopefully I save some future pre-dents reading this post.

Pros:
  • In-state tuition
  • Strong clinical experience
  • Amazing local outreach opportunities
  • Large patient pool
- Yes, in-state tuition for Jersey kids from the beginning. In-state tuition for everyone else after D1. It's a HUGE positive.
- I don't know of another school with higher requirements than Rutgers. But actually, you will hate this as a D4. I kinda wish I could graduate with 1-2 dentures like the kids on the other side of the river. Meanwhile, I'm sweating trying to get my 12 dentures and 19 crowns done by May.
- Whare are these local outreach opportunities? That might have been some Admissions mumbo-jumbo. Not sure what you mean, not sure how that is a real pro to a school choice anyway.
- Yes, large patient pool. We literally don't have enough time to see all of our patients here. But it also doesn't matter too much, because you'll do more in 1 month of working than 24 months of dental school clinic.

Cons:
  • Not the best location - which is a big deal for me
  • Heard it could be a little competitive?? (would appreciate if someone would comment on this)

- I know you think you're going to be out having fun every weekend with your friends. But let me tell you, you are not going to have NEARLY the amount of free time as you think. Also, why is this a big deal to you at Rutgers? Lots of people here live in Jersey City and Hoboken, which is hopping with young professionals right now. I literally couldn't think of a better place to be as a 22 year old student. Also, Newark is fine. I don't know why it gets so much hate. Also the train ride to Manhattan is like 15-20 minutes.

- Yes, it's competitive. But also collaborative. Most people here are trying to do their best, but they aren't going to disrupt you. If you're worried about specializing, keep in mind that at least 50% of students here want to be a general dentist from day 1. Whether you specialize or not depends on YOU, not the school. Can't emphasize that enough.

Pros:
  • Pioneer in aesthetic/cosmetic dentistry
  • Amazing global outreach programs - I would love to do one!
  • Large patient pool
  • In the heart of NYC - all of my closest friends + boyfriend will be in the area. I have always dreamed of living in New York in my mid-20's.
  • Strong network for alumni

- The aesthetic/cosmetic thing has nothing (like 0.0001%) to do with students. Just like the "outreach" you mentioned above with Rutgers, that sounds like an Admissions talking point that has nothing to do with your education. It won't affect your dental school experience at all.

- People at Rutgers go to the DR and Wyoming Native American reserve every year. If NYU does more, that's cool. They're really fun trips. But shouldn't be a huge factor. If you want to travel, you'll have vacations at each school.

- I've heard the NYU kids struggle to find patients. Maybe that's what happens when you're splitting the patients up among hundreds.

- Being in the heart of NYC is definitely cool, but also hella expensive. If you lived in Newark, you could meet your friends in Manhattan in 30 minutes. Save NYC for when you're making those big bucks.

- What are alumni going to do for you? Get you into a fancy GPR? You don't need alumni for that.

Cons:
  • Cost (but I do have a 20k a year scholarship)
    • Also, I would possibly live with my boyfriend in NYC (We have been dating over 3 years) and I would not have to pay rent if I lived with him.
  • Huge class size

- Cost cannot be emphasized enough. Great that you have a discount, but even with the 20k, what would the difference in Cost of Living be? I fear hearing that price tag. Read some posts about the NYU debt. I really hope you and your boyfriend well, but I must point out the fact that many relationships did not survive dental school so I would not count that living arrangement as 100% guaranteed.

- I don't think huge class size is necessarily a big negative. Maybe it makes getting patients more difficult and standing out trickier, but doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me. Maybe it's cool having so many people around.

~~~

My final verdict: Rutgers. But you knew that already.
 
Let's take this line-by-line since afternoon patients were canceled due to the snowpocalyse. Hopefully I save some future pre-dents reading this post.


- Yes, in-state tuition for Jersey kids from the beginning. In-state tuition for everyone else after D1. It's a HUGE positive.
- I don't know of another school with higher requirements than Rutgers. But actually, you will hate this as a D4. I kinda wish I could graduate with 1-2 dentures like the kids on the other side of the river. Meanwhile, I'm sweating trying to get my 12 dentures and 19 crowns done by May.
- Whare are these local outreach opportunities? That might have been some Admissions mumbo-jumbo. Not sure what you mean, not sure how that is a real pro to a school choice anyway.
- Yes, large patient pool. We literally don't have enough time to see all of our patients here. But it also doesn't matter too much, because you'll do more in 1 month of working than 24 months of dental school clinic.



- I know you think you're going to be out having fun every weekend with your friends. But let me tell you, you are not going to have NEARLY the amount of free time as you think. Also, why is this a big deal to you at Rutgers? Lots of people here live in Jersey City and Hoboken, which is hopping with young professionals right now. I literally couldn't think of a better place to be as a 22 year old student. Also, Newark is fine. I don't know why it gets so much hate. Also the train ride to Manhattan is like 15-20 minutes.

- Yes, it's competitive. But also collaborative. Most people here are trying to do their best, but they aren't going to disrupt you. If you're worried about specializing, keep in mind that at least 50% of students here want to be a general dentist from day 1. Whether you specialize or not depends on YOU, not the school. Can't emphasize that enough.



- The aesthetic/cosmetic thing has nothing (like 0.0001%) to do with students. Just like the "outreach" you mentioned above with Rutgers, that sounds like an Admissions talking point that has nothing to do with your education. It won't affect your dental school experience at all.

- People at Rutgers go to the DR and Wyoming Native American reserve every year. If NYU does more, that's cool. They're really fun trips. But shouldn't be a huge factor. If you want to travel, you'll have vacations at each school.

- I've heard the NYU kids struggle to find patients. Maybe that's what happens when you're splitting the patients up among hundreds.

- Being in the heart of NYC is definitely cool, but also hella expensive. If you lived in Newark, you could meet your friends in Manhattan in 30 minutes. Save NYC for when you're making those big bucks.

- What are alumni going to do for you? Get you into a fancy GPR? You don't need alumni for that.



- Cost cannot be emphasized enough. Great that you have a discount, but even with the 20k, what would the difference in Cost of Living be? I fear hearing that price tag. Read some posts about the NYU debt. I really hope you and your boyfriend well, but I must point out the fact that many relationships did not survive dental school so I would not count that living arrangement as 100% guaranteed.

- I don't think huge class size is necessarily a big negative. Maybe it makes getting patients more difficult and standing out trickier, but doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me. Maybe it's cool having so many people around.

~~~

My final verdict: Rutgers. But you knew that already.
Thank you so much for your input! It means a lot to me for you to break these points down to the nitty gritty. Ultimately, I will most likely attend my state schools (Rutgers, YAY!!!!!!!!); it is such a prestigious program and they definitely hold their students accountable clinically which I believe is the most important.
 
I graduated NYU in 2016 and while I can say that I ultimately got a good education, it is within one of the most toxic environments I've ever been a part of. It's also an incredibly unforgiving program - for example, we had 130 foreign-trained dentists enter our program at the end of my first year and it should have only been 120, but they were banking on more of us failing out. Yes, you read that right. They routinely would kick kids out who had to repeat a year just because they may have barely failed 1 course on their second go around - and it is very common to fail courses there. Even kids within our honor society, who ultimately specialized, also failed courses.

You're also on your own clinically - you have a point requirement (which is basically how much money you are making the school) and an MDR (Minimum Discipline Requirement, which are the minimum number of certain procedures you need for graduation, as determined either by the state or ADEA - I forget). You can graduate without meeting the point requirement but not if you don't meet the MDR's and you will constantly be fighting your clinic-mates over cases because you may need the MDR whereas they do not and they just want the points. Your program director may not always be helpful either in mitigating these headaches.

The esthetics honors program is a highly competitive 4th year "course" but you are not provided patients. You bring ones from your own clinic who have agreed to esthetic treatment to have those faculty mentor you. And even then, you have to put up with ego sizes that dwarf Yankee stadium. And those patients are few and far between, if even at all. You primarily treat medicaid patients, and for obvious reasons, they don't have money to throw around for veneers.

You are far better saving your money and going to Rutgers. I have never had a single patient or employer ask where I went to dental school. They only care that I'm licensed and can be enrolled in Medicaid. You also don't learn anything in dental school except "How To Not Kill A Patient" so most of the nice stuff you may have seen in IG was learned outside of dental school. I interviewed at 2 peds programs this cycle and while they can see where I went to dental school, they also never asked about it. They only care about the here-and-now, so even if I went to Harvard, it would not have mattered.

It really should be no contest that Rutgers is the clear winner. Not that I'm trying to say anything bad because you have this dilemma. I get it. I was there not long ago and we all weighed in those pros and cons, but as someone who has been working for the past 3.5 years, go with the cheapest spot but even if the cheapest is NYU... eh, that place just isn't worth the mental abuse they put their students through lol
 
I completely agree with the poster above. I went to NYU as well. If I could turn back time and change one thing in my entire life, it would be my decision to go to NYU. I turned down my state school, and UPenn for NYU for reasons similar to that of what you mentioned. The mental abuse and stress that the school puts you through is truly traumatic. There is an unnecessary sense of competition that is present. I guess some aspects are true of every school, but it was difficult being in an environment of where students would argue and struggle to find patients for graduation, when they are paying 500K+ for their education (numbers get real after you start paying back). They keep raising their tuition. 100% of the lectures are podcasted, and they cut the lab times, so I wonder where the money is going the first two years.... Over 50% of my classmates were forced to be in clinic even after our May graduation since they did not meet requirements. (the school probably denies this, but I stand witness to the truth as a former student). The class size is too big to truly create a conducive and productive environment to learning a technical skill. They also keep expanding their class size and also shortened their lab time to accommodate the class size. It is disturbing. It is a money pumping institution rather than a place that is supposed to focus on education. Most of their faculty are part time, so they do not have to give them benefits. This hurts students since you have to often times bring the patient back on that specific day to work with the same faculty. It is comical for me to receive their alumni donation requests. I am surprised how they still manage to maintain their non-for- profit status...... save yourself the pain and headache that I went through......go anywhere else.
 
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