Sacrifice Early Application Submission for Boosting GPA?

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I obtained a B.S. in Neurobiology/Physiology 2008 from a UC. I transferred to the UC from a community college. I had one bad period during junior college that has ultimately slaughtered my gpa but I had a nice upward trend at the UC, finishing off my last year with hard science classes and 3.9 gpa average.

But, overall, my current GPA is as follows:
sGPA: 3.22
cGPA: 3.08 :(

However, by repeating a sociology class, a science course, and a health class from junior college time (with DO) replacement, I could boost my cGPA to 3.31 and sGPA to 3.32.

That is a significant difference but those grades wouldn't come till the end of summer, so when should I apply???

I currently work in a clinical testing laboratory as a quality control specialist, ad I am assisting our medical director in data analysis for a potentially published paper. I have volunteered in the ER, became certified as a phlebotomist, lots of tutoring, but no shadowing. I am a 31 yr old Californian female.

Thanks for reading.

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Seems like you have a ton of experiences, which is always a plus. I would focus on getting a solid LOR, and get some shadowing experience.

Also, in your personal essay, why did you have a bad year that made your GPA go down the hole? What have you learned from it and changed you into a better person?

As a surgeon once told me" Never give up" LOL..... Simple yet powerful hahaha
 
Is the early application supposed to be w.o the mcat?

Personally, wait it out. Get everything squared away. Also, in the meantime, get more shadowing in. diversify your activites or put more dedication towards it.
 
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First off, I appreciate the replies. I failed to mention, I took the MCAT April 26th, so I am waiting for those results. Planning to shadow ASAP. My job is coming to an end which will provide great opportunity for me to bolster my application, but I am definitely feeling very eager. Would it truly be a waste to apply early but with some shadowing and some very fine LORs or apply later in the cycle with bolstered GPA? Alejandro- are you suggesting waiting till the next cycle? Thanks again for the feedback.
 
I'm sure Goro will chime in, but to echo what he/she has said, you're best bet is to put forth an application that gives you the best chance to succeed. In your case, it might be repeating a class.
 
I would apply earlier without the grades. (we're referring to clases you will take in the summer/fall? or ones you are currently finishing up now..?) you can often send grade updates to schools as well. It may give you an additional reason to send communications to a school, which then you can also convey your general interest in a program.

Hm. I haven't replied in this fashion before, but here goes nothing.

Doctors will often tell their patients that they have to lose weight. That is a very vague, and often unhelpful for many because they know that they have to lose weight, but don't know exactly "how to go about it."

So, when I mean by getting all of your things together, i mean:

1) Consider when you get your mcat (late may) if you feel like you're in a position to apply. I would say, probably above 33-34, I think you could give it a run.

2) Are your LoRs in? Where in the process are they? "I think I know who i want to ask," "I've already asked and confirmed that they will write it," and "They already wrote them" are VERY different things. Your deadline should be around early july, given that you'll be finishing secondaries then. Make sure you give your writers enough time, and BUFFER time just in case something wrong happens. Make sure you have 2 sci/1 nonsci. Good to have LoRs from a physician/charge nurse as well.

3) How is the rest of your AMCAS? Personal Statement? activities? Do you know what you're planning to write for all of them? And I think the application will be released soon, so check into that. DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT underestimate the personal statement. Its one of the longest things to finish, and you'll find yourself revising it a ton if you haven't started already. If you haven't, start NOW.

4) Transcripts. You've had experiences at more than one school. GET YOUR TRANSCRIPTS in EARLY. Having more than one transcript makes your amcas verification much more complex and potentially delaying in terms of time.

5) Establish managable goals/checkpoints throughout the process. When do you expect to have all of these done? Just telling yourself JUNE 10th or something as the final deadline is probably NOT what I would recommend. PS, LoRs, Activities, Transcripts, etc. Each of these will take some time.

6) Secondaries. After you submit, start looking at the schools you've applied. See past secondaries, and see which schools will give you secondaries pretty much right off the bat. Start getting ready to write for those. On sdn, it's advised to get these things turned aroundin 2 weeks max. I've done longer, but when you have a red flag gpa (myself included), it's probably not worth slacking around with. I imagine you will be applying broadly, otherwise I think applying is foolish. For people who aren't the high gpa/mcat candidates, usually you gotta apply broadly and see who might decide to take a chance with you. I applied to 30 schools, you can choose to apply less or more than that. But remember, 30 schools=30+ secondary essays as a minimum. So GET READY FOR THAT.

So as you can see, there's a LOT to plan out for. And I'm guessing I've missed stuff too. But if you can plan out a reasonable timeline for everything, and you're good at executing it, there's a decent shot for you to give this a go. Yes, your GPA is a bit low, but if you're saying the truth in that you're rocking your classes now that are science, and upper div, and your professors are science profs who can back you up with your academic scientific potential, then run with it.

There's a lot to plan for such that once you get one thing, it's just only a tip of the iceberg. Some people in past years were burnt out after submitting their AMCAS. LOL. Dude, that's only the beginning! They died during secondaries. lol. Don't do that. Because honestly, its a BOATLOAD of cash to apply-make sure it counts.

If you want, PM me with your mcat result in a few weeks and we can chat about if this is reasonable post-mcat.
 
I would apply earlier without the grades. (we're referring to clases you will take in the summer/fall? or ones you are currently finishing up now..?) you can often send grade updates to schools as well. It may give you an additional reason to send communications to a school, which then you can also convey your general interest in a program.

Hm. I haven't replied in this fashion before, but here goes nothing.

Doctors will often tell their patients that they have to lose weight. That is a very vague, and often unhelpful for many because they know that they have to lose weight, but don't know exactly "how to go about it."

So, when I mean by getting all of your things together, i mean:

1) Consider when you get your mcat (late may) if you feel like you're in a position to apply. I would say, probably above 33-34, I think you could give it a run.

2) Are your LoRs in? Where in the process are they? "I think I know who i want to ask," "I've already asked and confirmed that they will write it," and "They already wrote them" are VERY different things. Your deadline should be around early july, given that you'll be finishing secondaries then. Make sure you give your writers enough time, and BUFFER time just in case something wrong happens. Make sure you have 2 sci/1 nonsci. Good to have LoRs from a physician/charge nurse as well.

3) How is the rest of your AMCAS? Personal Statement? activities? Do you know what you're planning to write for all of them? And I think the application will be released soon, so check into that. DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT underestimate the personal statement. Its one of the longest things to finish, and you'll find yourself revising it a ton if you haven't started already. If you haven't, start NOW.

4) Transcripts. You've had experiences at more than one school. GET YOUR TRANSCRIPTS in EARLY. Having more than one transcript makes your amcas verification much more complex and potentially delaying in terms of time.

5) Establish managable goals/checkpoints throughout the process. When do you expect to have all of these done? Just telling yourself JUNE 10th or something as the final deadline is probably NOT what I would recommend. PS, LoRs, Activities, Transcripts, etc. Each of these will take some time.

6) Secondaries. After you submit, start looking at the schools you've applied. See past secondaries, and see which schools will give you secondaries pretty much right off the bat. Start getting ready to write for those. On sdn, it's advised to get these things turned aroundin 2 weeks max. I've done longer, but when you have a red flag gpa (myself included), it's probably not worth slacking around with. I imagine you will be applying broadly, otherwise I think applying is foolish. For people who aren't the high gpa/mcat candidates, usually you gotta apply broadly and see who might decide to take a chance with you. I applied to 30 schools, you can choose to apply less or more than that. But remember, 30 schools=30+ secondary essays as a minimum. So GET READY FOR THAT.

So as you can see, there's a LOT to plan out for. And I'm guessing I've missed stuff too. But if you can plan out a reasonable timeline for everything, and you're good at executing it, there's a decent shot for you to give this a go. Yes, your GPA is a bit low, but if you're saying the truth in that you're rocking your classes now that are science, and upper div, and your professors are science profs who can back you up with your academic scientific potential, then run with it.

There's a lot to plan for such that once you get one thing, it's just only a tip of the iceberg. Some people in past years were burnt out after submitting their AMCAS. LOL. Dude, that's only the beginning! They died during secondaries. lol. Don't do that. Because honestly, its a BOATLOAD of cash to apply-make sure it counts.

If you want, PM me with your mcat result in a few weeks and we can chat about if this is reasonable post-mcat.


Thank you very much for this response. It is exactly what I needed. I have been working for the past 5 years in a clinical laboratory. I have helped troubleshoot a major problem with a cholesterol test of ours. I am currently assisting in some retrospective data analysis that could potentially be published. My LOR writers include the M.D./PhD I have been working with, my supervisor, a PhD in Chemistry in our R&D department, and I thought i would throw in the Vice President of my cycling racing team to help exemplify my tenacity and passion in general as it pertains to my interest in cycling. Nobody has written anything yet though, so i thought i would prepare a packet of sorts to get them started. I guess I am still unclear on how I should do that, but i was planning to research that today. I have sent off requests for my transcripts to be delivered to the application site, and I am registered for the classes I want to re-take. Hopefully, the MCAT went well. Content-wise it felt fine, but i can't define much beyond that. I think I have a strength in writing a personal statement, and I plan to begin that ASAP. There is definitely a lot to keep track of. I find the uncertainty the most unnerving though. I have been under the impression that applying early is critical, yet i know i could present a much better looking GPA come August. Yet, i would also think those reviewing (so long as I don't get screened out) would recognize my later performance in harder courses (gastrointestinal physiology, advanced Neurobiology lab, reproductive physiology, all sorts of biochemistry courses, etc.)

Yikes, sorry for my long ramble, but I have been so stuck on what the best approach is regarding when to apply. I really really appreciate the responses here. I have been spying on this site for a bit, and I am really encouraged to get a very informative response back. I think I will apply early if all falls into place regarding MCAT and personal statement. Then deal with the continuing stuff as it comes.



Thanks a great deal!

Megan
 
A couple more thoughts. Smart. You're assembling all of your goods to present to your letter writers. Excellent. Even if you don't have a finish PS now, submit a working one. The materials-they may choose to read them, but it's just some good due-diligence to perform. A recommendation I have is to ask if you can have the professor talk with you in terms of exactly what you want emphasized. grades, strengths, weaknesses, but how you can compensate for them, etc. Better coming from a professor than you writing a sob story about what went wrong.

Question: Are these science professors those that have TAUGHT YOU, and you received a grade in? Because that is also crucial...
 
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