Salary for physiatrists....?

[bobdole112]

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Just curious... How much do new grad physiatrist and mid career physiatrists expect to make... Lets say in the north east...?

 

[lobelsteve]

eleventy million.....

MGMA has best answer.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...jri3HKL6OSG7idxiQ&sig2=8xRwTQ8kiCi4Yt3sfT0uzA

 

[Riteaid22]

Pulm critical care less than pulm general?

I don't trust this chart at all..

ENT 260 thousand? Optho 180? Right..

 

[SSdoc33]

200 sounds right in the northeast. Lot of factors

 

[j4pac]

200 sounds right in the northeast. Lot of factors

Starting? Hard to believe unless it also includes pain docs and even then it seems high (not that I'm complaining). And yeah...the Gen Pulm starting salary blew my mind.

 

[SSdoc33]

depends if you are in a city or 10 miles out. depends if you are exclusively inpatient, or work in a high-volume ortho group. depends if you have a fellowship or not. depends if you like to spend an hour or 10 minutes with a patient.

200 "seems" about average

 

[RangerBob]

Most of the seniors at my program have told me $200-$220 are the starting offers they are receiving for most private practice/community hospital jobs (non-pain). Seems to be at the lower end in big cities, and higher for in less populated areas. But I don't think any have been offered less than $200k.

VA offers seem to be closer to $170 and academic around $160.

That's just what I'm hearing from our seniors and the class before that. Unfortunately those huge physician salary surveys never seem to include PM&R.

 

[olivarynucleus]

That chart is lame, people fresh to hospitalist work are getting offered 25ok easily.

 

[lejeunesage]

That chart is lame, people fresh to hospitalist work are getting offered 25ok easily.

You do understand the difference between anecdote and aggregate data, don't you?
I'm not insinuating that MGMA's data is entirely comprehensive, but how many hospitalists do you know personally? Of those, how many have shared their starting salaries with you? 5? 10?
How many hospitalists respond to MGMA surveys? 4400 hundred responded to the MGMA survey. Of those, if you assume an equal distribution between specialties, 130+ were hospitalists. The true number is probably higher, since they comprise one of the larger specialties.

Even if we say nothing about methodologies, which survey do you think is more likely to represent reality? Yours, based on your many decades of experience the few people you've talked to, or MGMA's, where actual data was collected?

 

[Baritonebass]

Also got factor location... Nobody in NYC is making 250 as a hospitalist

 

[lejeunesage]

Also got factor location... Nobody in NYC is making 250 as a hospitalist

Which begs the question... why the hell do people live in NYC?

The amateur economist in me would assume that the higher cost of living and lower pay would drive most physicians away, leading to a local shortage of physicians that would have to be compensated for by increasing salaries to an equilibrium point where they might be a bit lower than, say, in the Midwest, but only slightly so.
But this is what you get in Neurology, for instance.
http://img.medscape.com/pi/features/slideshow-slide/compensation/2014/neurology/fig6.jpg

For the privilege of living in the NE, you have to take something like a $35K paycut... AND put up with higher taxes and a higher cost of living.

Let's put it another way, assuming you're living in NYC and are currently earning 200K, you'll have the same purchasing power as someone who lives on 97K in Columbus, OH.
In order to have the purchasing power of someone earning $200K in Columbus, OH, you'd need to earn $409K in NYC.
But again, even before taking cost of living adjustments into account you're likely to get paid more in nominal dollars for living in Columbus rather than NYC.
And it's not as though Columbus were in the boonies!

That's absolutely nuts. I assume that people who live in places like NYC must consider everything between the coasts "flyover country" or whatever. But I wonder if they realize not just that their decision is costing them, but to what extent.

 

[RUOkie]

shhhhh. Don't let the secret out. We don't need all them Yankees coming out here to take our jobs.

 

[lejeunesage]

shhhhh. Don't let the secret out. We don't need all them Yankees coming out here to take our jobs.

🤣

 

[ampaphb]

Some us prefer Broadway, the Philharmonic, the beach, and good food to cow tipping. Different strokes ...☺

 

[Baritonebass]

Would say you'd be cow tipping in Dallas, Houston, Miami and Atlanta. Broadway show travel to all those places and the beaches in NYC are disgusting... Except a few in Long Island(not NYC)... All those cities have betters opportunities than NYC.

 

[ampaphb]

They may well, but ...

 

[Baritonebass]

Don't get it twisted I lived in Manhattan for 3yrs and wouldn't trade anything for that but hearing my attending talk about getting up at 5am to catch a train from Long Island, Westchester or Conn at 6:00 to get in the city and work like a dog til 6 or 7 to commute back... And they make less than a guy working 50hr in Atl

 

[j4pac]

Don't get it twisted I lived in Manhattan for 3yrs and wouldn't trade anything for that but hearing my attending talk about getting up at 5am to catch a train from Long Island, Westchester or Conn at 6:00 to get in the city and work like a dog til 6 or 7 to commute back... And they make less than a guy working 50hr in Atl

Do you know why the St. John's River flows north? Because Georgia sucks.

 

[Baritonebass]

Not as bad as the va for 130, academics for 140 pp for 150-60 if you can find it or working 2 part time jobs cause you can't find work... Take 1/3 out for taxs and live in a shoebox for $2000/month... You can make 200-250 if you willing to do 30 epidurals loss of resistance with an AP film or inject knees under fluoro and u/s for a chiropractor... Also ask why the position is open cause the last guy may be in jail for fraud...Don't even get me started on staffing in NYC

 

[lejeunesage]

Some us prefer Broadway, the Philharmonic, the beach, and good food to cow tipping. Different strokes ...☺

How dare you diss on cow tipping?