San Antonio Vs. Houston Dental Programs

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I am having a tough time deciding between UTDB- Houston and UTHSC-San Antonio.I enjoyed both interviews, so I was wondering if some current students/faculty could give me their opinions on the two schools. Is one school better than the other is getting students accepted into specialty programs? Do you think the new dental facilities in Houston will cause them to jump up in national recognition? Does one school give better clinical training/experiences? Etc...

There have been similar posts in the past, but with the new Houston facility coming soon I thought I should get some more recent opinions. Thank you for the help.

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Thats a tough question. I've only been a student at one school, so I am quite partial to it, and feel as though I am getting a top notch education.
 
UTDB's new facility is a two-edged sword. A new facility will be state-of-the art but there will be some disruption and settling in during the transition.

UTDB also has had an interim dean since May 2009. When a permanent dean takes over, there could be some disruption and settling in from the change in leadership as well.

Change is neither good nor bad but it does cause uncertainty. With UTHSCSA you have some idea of what to expect over the next few years. With UTDB you hope that all the changes are for the better but you don't know.
 
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I need help deciding between these 2 schools too. I actually felt a little more comfortable at my interview in Houston but after talking to my dentist she said I should go to San Antonio since they have the best program in Texas right now...
anyone have any other advise?
 
I need help deciding between these 2 schools too. I actually felt a little more comfortable at my interview in Houston but after talking to my dentist she said I should go to San Antonio since they have the best program in Texas right now...
anyone have any other advise?

Is there actually a reason for saying that or is that just her opinion?

SA and Houston are both great schools and both will turn you into a great clinician... Go with your gut.
 
Is there actually a reason for saying that or is that just her opinion?

SA and Houston are both great schools and both will turn you into a great clinician... Go with your gut.

I don't know where people keep getting this thing that SA is better than Houston. I suppose it's because back when they used to rank schools in the 70's and SA was new they were #1. That was 40 years ago and there is really no reason to suspect that one is so much better than the other. I'm obviously partial to Houston as I go there, but I feel like we have a great school. I have friends that go to SA as well, and I feel like they have a great school. I can comment on the atmosphere of our 2nd year class vs their 2nd year class- our class is much less cutthroat, but it's also much more like a family. I just don't think that most students from SA would say their class is a "family" (SA correct me if I am wrong). Either way, go to the one you felt better at or the city you like more. It's really the only true deciding factor.
 
You'll hear that from everyone, that their class is a "family". During interviews at both schools, that's both schools' main selling point for some reason, and you'll hear everyone say that it's what separates SA from Hou (or vice versa).

Really, you should decide on the following factors, in no particular order of importance:

1) Where do you live?
The closer the school, the better. If you're from SA or surrounding area, better to attend SA as you'll save a truckload of money on rent, furniture, utilities, etc. (same if you're from HOU)

2) Do you want to specialize?

May want to look into stats such as a.how many chose to specialize each year? b.how many people matched into the residency of choice c.what % of those that applied actually matched? d.does the school give preference to those applicants from its own school? e.strength of class- harder to do well (relatively speaking) in a class full of gunners f. reputation of school- how reputable is the school nationally?

3) Want to do research?
If you know what your interests are, may want to look into which school is researching what, and what opportunities will be available to you as a student. Yes, both schools encourage students to do research, but both don't focus on all the same areas of research.

4) Do you prefer an urban or a suburban setting?

HOU is in an urban setting, SA in the 'burbs.

5) Want to be competent by graduation time?
How much experience will the average student have by the time he/she graduates, i.e., how many root canals, bridges, fillings, extractions, etc.? How is the patient flow, will there be any down time or any need to recruit patients? Do students have their own operatories, or do they share, rotate, etc?


It'd be great to hear perspectives from students and graduates of both schools.
 
Houston and the Texas Medical Center, there is no setting like it. Walking outside you will see some of the best architecture in the US in one square mile around the school. Not to mention, most of the faculty is mad cool here, and everything else Jay said.
 
You'll hear that from everyone, that their class is a "family". During interviews at both schools, that's both schools' main selling point for some reason, and you'll hear everyone say that it's what separates SA from Hou (or vice versa).

Really, you should decide on the following factors, in no particular order of importance:

1) Where do you live?
The closer the school, the better. If you're from SA or surrounding area, better to attend SA as you'll save a truckload of money on rent, furniture, utilities, etc. (same if you're from HOU)

2) Do you want to specialize?

May want to look into stats such as a.how many chose to specialize each year? b.how many people matched into the residency of choice c.what % of those that applied actually matched? d.does the school give preference to those applicants from its own school? e.strength of class- harder to do well (relatively speaking) in a class full of gunners f. reputation of school- how reputable is the school nationally?

3) Want to do research?
If you know what your interests are, may want to look into which school is researching what, and what opportunities will be available to you as a student. Yes, both schools encourage students to do research, but both don't focus on all the same areas of research.

4) Do you prefer an urban or a suburban setting?

HOU is in an urban setting, SA in the 'burbs.

5) Want to be competent by graduation time?
How much experience will the average student have by the time he/she graduates, i.e., how many root canals, bridges, fillings, extractions, etc.? How is the patient flow, will there be any down time or any need to recruit patients? Do students have their own operatories, or do they share, rotate, etc?


It'd be great to hear perspectives from students and graduates of both schools.
Excellent analysis of the situation. I may comment on a few things:
1. If you currently live in either Houston or SA, go to the school there. It will make things more familiar, and if you live at home it should save you money. $1000 in rent/month over 4 years accruing interest is not a great way to start off your new career. (4*12*$1000=$48,000 + interest). Living at home is not at all frowned upon by anyone in our class.

2.This is true, but several things are commonly misunderstood.
A. Each class is different: Our class has lots of high achieving students (but make no mistake, I wouldn't say we are gunners- even the best students are always sending out emails with reviews, notes, reminders, etc.. to help the rest). The third year class....how do I put it..."not so highly achieving". Yes, there are some extremely bright students, but overall not as competitive as the fourth years, who are probably more competitive than us as a whole.
B.If you want to specialize, trust me, the school you attend will not hold you back or put you at a disadvantage. You will get from school what you put in- if you want to be top of your class, you can do well. If you don't try, then don't expect to do well. It's as simple as that. I am convinced that all three schools in TX have equal opportunities for all of their students to specialize, and perhaps students who attended the undergrad dental school receive a slight advantage at grad applications at their own school simply because they are more likely to know the faculty there already.

3. Spot on. Houston is urban, SA is Suburban. I don't like cities myself, but I have learned to live with Houston.

4. Research; opportunities are very ample at Houston. Entering summer opportunities, first year opportunities, heck- you can do research on just about anything as long as you just go ask a faculty about it. I suspect that opportunities are similar at other schools.

5. I can't fully comment on this part simply because I haven't completed 3rd and 4th years, but I do know that every year there are students who complete well above their requirements and those that barely get by or the few who have to stay an extra month or two. If you put the time in, you can complete the work necessary in clinic. Requirements to differ from school to school, but I believe that SA and Houston are similar in requirements. I do believe Baylor has more fixed and operative, but this could also be due to the patient pool in Dallas. Your ability to get patients will more so depend on the city and the economy at the time. Consult attending 4th years at each school to find this out.

Thanks, and keep working hard predents.
 
Is there actually a reason for saying that or is that just her opinion?

SA and Houston are both great schools and both will turn you into a great clinician... Go with your gut.

I have to agree with everything that has been said so far regarding the two schools and deciding, but I am still having a tough time. I loved my interview at San Antonio and the students I met there. Both schools seemed to be very friendly, but the staff seemed a bit more "cool" at Houston, as a previous post mentioned.

I am wondering if there will be any advantage to having the new equipment and facilities. i.e. would I learn more and be more tech savvy if I attend Houston vs. SA? I have heard the faculty are better at SA than Houston. I think the Simulation lab at Houston sounds very useful, and I am wondering if SA has anything similar. Also, I like the "selectives" that SA offers. I'm not sure how to weigh all of these against each other... could anyone that goes to these schools comment on how useful/good they feel that these features of their school are?

Thank you!!
 
You'll hear that from everyone, that their class is a "family". During interviews at both schools, that's both schools' main selling point for some reason, and you'll hear everyone say that it's what separates SA from Hou (or vice versa).

Really, you should decide on the following factors, in no particular order of importance:

1) Where do you live?
The closer the school, the better. If you're from SA or surrounding area, better to attend SA as you'll save a truckload of money on rent, furniture, utilities, etc. (same if you're from HOU)

2) Do you want to specialize?

May want to look into stats such as a.how many chose to specialize each year? b.how many people matched into the residency of choice c.what % of those that applied actually matched? d.does the school give preference to those applicants from its own school? e.strength of class- harder to do well (relatively speaking) in a class full of gunners f. reputation of school- how reputable is the school nationally?

3) Want to do research?
If you know what your interests are, may want to look into which school is researching what, and what opportunities will be available to you as a student. Yes, both schools encourage students to do research, but both don't focus on all the same areas of research.

4) Do you prefer an urban or a suburban setting?

HOU is in an urban setting, SA in the 'burbs.

5) Want to be competent by graduation time?
How much experience will the average student have by the time he/she graduates, i.e., how many root canals, bridges, fillings, extractions, etc.? How is the patient flow, will there be any down time or any need to recruit patients? Do students have their own operatories, or do they share, rotate, etc?


It'd be great to hear perspectives from students and graduates of both schools.

I am a 2011 grad from San Antonio, so take my input for what it's worth.

First off, I agree with what has been said about living arrangements. Do keep in mind though, that San Antonio is one of the cheapest large cities to live in. Cost of living in the medical center is really pretty reasonable. I have heard that comparable apartments/homes seem to be much more expensive in Houston and Dallas. Apartments in San Antonio in and near the medical center can range anywhere from $450/mo for a small efficiency, up to $1000+ for 1BR/1BA. It really just depends on how nice you want to live. Also consider having a roommate or roommates to save money.

Specializing is not dependent on the school, it is dependent on the person. If you want to be at the top of your class, by all means you are going to work hard to do so no matter what school you go to. As someone already mentioned, you get out, what you put in.

There are ample research opportunities at San Antonio. Most people do research between first and second year, but we also had some students working on research projects during the school year too.

As far as urban vs. suburban-- Houston and Dallas are definitely urban, and San Antonio is more suburban (relative to where the school is located). I still think you will find ample opportunity to do many of the same activities in all 3 cities (restaurants, clubs, bars, sporting events, movies, concerts, symphony, etc) You will have more access to good hiking and biking trails in San Antonio with the hill country not far away at all. There are also a number of great vineyards in the hill country if wine tasting is your thing.

As far as being a competent, prepared clinician when you're done-- I am a firm believer that you can be an excellent clinician upon graduation from San Antonio, Houston, or Baylor. I honestly do not think there is a "best" school when comparing the 3. It's no secret that the last time dental schools were ranked, San Antonio was #1. The last time dental schools were ranked was in 1998 or 1999 by U.S. News and World Report, and the rankings were not really based on strengths of the programs, but more on research and funding/grants for research.

As far as facilities are concerned, all three schools have the necessary technology and equipment to make you a skilled clinician upon graduation. All three schools have simulation labs. And I am pretty sure all three schools have digital x-rays and electronic records (correct me if I am wrong). San Antonio uses Axium as their electronic records system.

Graduation requirements-- there are always going to be students who go above and beyond, and those who do the bare minimum. Whether you are the former or the latter, can also depend on your patient pool or patient family. At San Antonio, there is a good patient pool, but I can't always say that patients are distributed fairly or evenly among the students and the general practice groups. You do get patients assigned to you, but many students also recruit their own patients to fulfill requirements, especially when patients aren't very dependable-- and trust me, everyone will experience patients who are not dependable at one time or another. From my personal experience, the biggest hurdle in meeting requirements is finding patients who can afford treatment. Most patients can afford the perio and operative, but when you get to crown and bridge, patients don't have the money.

It is no secret that Baylor has more crown and bridge requirements than Houston and San Antonio. This does not mean that you cannot be a good clinician if you go to San Antonio or Houston. Although I do not know, as I only attended one school (San Antonio), but I would venture to say that Baylor has a patient pool that wants and can afford crowns. Case acceptance for crowns is probably better at Baylor than Houston and San Antonio, but that does not mean you won't be prepared if you go to San Antonio or Houston. No, I did not cut 45+ crowns at San Antonio (like many students at Baylor do), but you know what, I still felt 100% prepared to enter private practice.

I cannot speak for the opportunities available at Baylor and Houston, but at San Antonio has a number of electives you can take in addition to required rotations.

Required Rotations:
Oral Surgery -- 4 weeks third year, 2 weeks fourth year, OMS clinic at school and downtown hospital, no absolute requirement for # of extractions needed to graduate, most students would agree that we get excellent oral surgery training, I did two full mouth extractions, mandibular tori removal, alveoplasty, ridge preservation, a handful of surgical extractions, and tons of simple (non-surgical extractions), the only thing in oral surgery that I wish I would have been more comfortable with coming out of school is suturing techniques, and that is dependent on how many extractions you do that need suturing or you don't get the experience, I have my go-to techniques that I use for all extractions that need it
Pedo -- 2 weeks third year, 2 weeks fourth year, pedo clinic at school and community clinics in San Antonio, students must do a competency exam for a new patient or recall exam, infant exam/1st dental home, and then an operative competency, there was not stainless steel crown competency exam, but most students do 1-2 SSCs, so they have some experience before getting into private practice
Perio -- 3 days during third year, grad perio clinic (observe and assist residents)
Geriatrics -- 3 days during third year in geriatric clinic and VA hospital (provide care to elderly, medically-compromised patients)
Hospital -- 1 week senior year, observe and assist OMS residents in surgical suite and OR, I got to see a lot of cool stuff
South Texas -- 2 weeks senior year, Harlingen or Laredo community clinics, lots of experience, get to work with an assistant, etc.
Oral Medicine -- 1 week senior year, exam and diagnose weird lesions, system diseases, you might get to do a biospy, great experience to see the things that aren't normal, good review of oral pathology
Emergency clinic -- roughly 1 day every other week senior year, usually extractions, but can be endo or operative

There are some other rotations, but these are the main ones.

Electives
Implant placement -- 8 to 10 rising senior students selected via application and interview process, get to place implants, most students in the elective placed 3-5 implants, but one guy in my class placed something like 15
Crown lengthening
Molar endo -- must take elective to do molar root canals, this is what most students feel most un-prepared to do upon graduation, a lot of it is because the case has to be PERFECT for it not to be referred to grad endo, and then the patient has to be able to pay for it, which wasn't always easy to find patients who were willing to pay for the endo and then the buildup/crown. So as of right now, students do not have to complete a molar root canal to graduate. Some students will, but you have to do the elective.
Mobile Van elective
Teaching elective

Here is a complete list:
http://dental.uthscsa.edu/educprograms/selectives.pdf

Requirements change somewhat year-to year, but here is what I did to graduate (and this was not by any means the most in the class or the least, and it was more than the bare minimum)
Everything is based on points. You get points for certain procedures, and need something like 5600 points senior year and I think it was maybe 2100 or something junior year, but I don't remember exactly. Certain procedures are worth more points like crowns, bridges, dentures, etc. vs. low point procedures like sealants, prophy, etc.
Crowns -- 33, this includes 5 implants restored
FPD -- 1 (have to do one to graduate and this all most people do)
Operative -- based on points, must do 1600 points junior year-- kinda confusing because you get more points/surface restored junior year than senior year, but senior year you need 500 points minimum at 5 pts/surface for 100 surfaces restored, and I did around 700 points worth senior year-- this does not include any of the operative that is completed on South Texas rotation or pedo rotation, these points are just in clinic with your family of patients
Removable -- 8 arches complete dentures, 4 arches RPD, 2 flippers
Endo -- 2 canines and 2 premolars for a total of 5 canals

Anywho... I hope this helps for those who are trying to make a decision. I enjoyed my experience at San Antonio and I feel that my clinical training was excellent. I did not do an AEGD and I have felt more than prepared in private practice. With that being said, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the schools in Texas. Go where you think you will be the happiest-- how you felt on your interview. I wouldn't necessarily base it on clinical requirements, because all three schools will prepare you for real-world dentistry.
 
I'm a DS1 at San Antonio.

The above posters did a great job of really breaking down the San Antonio program. I'll just add my personal experience thus far.

I really like San Antonio's program. The professors are fair, and they will work with our schedule (i.e. moving exams/quizzes based on class vote). Our entire class works hard, plays hard, and shares tons of info.

Living here is CHEAP. I live in a fairly new 1200 sq ft 2bdrm/2ba apt (in the med center) w/ a roomie and we split the $1000 rent. I like living in the 'burbs, it makes the commute/parking very easy. Grocery stores, restaurants, bars, etc. are all within a 5 minute radius. I feel safe walking from school to my car at night. Austin is ~1 hr drive from here, so lots of my classmates go hangout almost every weekend.

Even as a 1st semester D1, we've gotten tons of exposure to how the 3rd/4th yr clinics are ran. Lots of my classmates have already given injections during these rotations.

Our simlab has 4 sections, so it's not one giant noisy corral of dental students lol. So far, we've done equal amounts of waxing and drilling. Don't worry, composites aren't graded yet, only waxing. By the time we were waxing up premolars, my buddy at Houston was still practicing how to control wax :meanie: . As a DS1 you can join any number of research projects.

All 3 TX schools are great. I would pick the school you live closest to. It's a luxury to be able to see your parents/loved ones on a whim. If the biggest problem in your life now is to choose between Houston and San Antonio, I'd say life is good 👍
 
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Not true.

Dental Anatomy curriculum has been tweaked this year. Plus we get a little more "skills development" days this semester than your class. Fine, 60% waxing 40% drilling? :laugh:
 
So I'm guessing that we should make nothing of those posts @txlotusboys37?? Unfortunate...would definitely have been good news but oh well 🙁.

Regardless...Go UTHSC-SA!👍

 
Go to Houston. If your gut is telling you you had a better feelng at their interview there is a REASON for it. I wish every single day that I had listened to my gut and gone to Houston, or one of the ivies I was accepted to, instead of basing my decision on outside life circumstances.
I remember noticing how happy everyone seemed at houston and how it seemed like a family. If you want more explanation read the UTHSCSA thread. I know so many students at SA that, even though they are doing well, have said they wished had gone to Houston. Many of the dentists and people that say "SA is best" are all influenced by the past rankings and former public perception of the school, not on actual facts and recent accounts heard from students.
Ultimately my biggest advice is go where YOU want to go in your heart. Somewhere you felt the most welcome and happiest. Somewhere the other students and faculty seemed genuine and content. Do not base your decision on family or friends or a relationship or expenses. Because there is a reason your gut is telling you otherwise. Best of Luck.:luck:
 
This is a no-brainer. All you need to do is compare COA and then see where you will be happiest. I'm assuming you're in-state, so Houston and SA are pretty much the same expense-wise. So then you move onto looking at where you will be happiest. In my opinion, since you have the choice between two TX schools, choose the one that won't give you trouble down the road. MY fiance got his DDS from UTHSCSA and it was probably the worst 4 years of his life. And he barely did it in four years. HE was one of the poor students who had a patient who didn't show up. Once, he had to have his parents drive in from Arkansas for his boards just to make sure that he would have patients for the procedures. One time I even came to the school so he could fulfill a requirement he was behind on. And don't think you'll get any sympathy from the administration. One time three of his patients didnt show up i na week and it was nearing the end of the year. They told him to deal or he wouldn't continue on to the next year.

I don't know what people have told you about the curriculum, but from what he told me, it sounds awful. He showed me some of the information they had to learn and information was outdated, and the courses didn't prepare him at all for general practice. There was hardly any emphasis on skill-building as much as lecturing. And mind you, he only graduated a year ago- so the curriculum probably hasn't changed that much.

So basically, after the numerous complaints you've heard on here about this school, I would shy away from it. You still have a month to make your decision, but bear in mind that decision can make a big difference in the quality of work you produce as a dental professional. GL and PM me if you need any more info!
 
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