Saving on Taxes with a Pharmacists Salary?

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Hey guys,
I just started working as a pharmacist (new grad) living in NY, single, no kids. I don't know much about taxes. My question is what is the best way to reduce taxes in NY I get about 40-42% of my paycheck going to government. It's unfortunate that almost half the workday I work for free. Anyone have any tips? I also heard that the first year after graduating I should be receiving a good return..how do I go about this?
 
Hey guys,
I just started working as a pharmacist (new grad) living in NY, single, no kids. I don't know much about taxes. My question is what is the best way to reduce taxes in NY I get about 40-42% of my paycheck going to government. It's unfortunate that almost half the workday I work for free. Anyone have any tips? I also heard that the first year after graduating I should be receiving a good return..how do I go about this?

Get yourself a good accountant. I paid this dude $75 and he got me like almost $7000 on my income tax return.
 
Put money into your 401k plan, up to plan limits of $17,500 per year. Put money into your HSA, up to ~$3275 per year (?). Buy something big, and not a car. This means a house where you pay a mortgage.
 
I get about 40-42% of my paycheck going to government. It's unfortunate that almost half the workday I work for free.

The birthing of political consciousness is a beautiful thing to behold.
 
Hey guys,
I just started working as a pharmacist (new grad) living in NY, single, no kids. I don't know much about taxes. My question is what is the best way to reduce taxes in NY I get about 40-42% of my paycheck going to government. It's unfortunate that almost half the workday I work for free. Anyone have any tips? I also heard that the first year after graduating I should be receiving a good return..how do I go about this?

Based on your profile, it seems that you are located in BK. If you change your address to outside of NYC, you save 4 percent by not paying NYC taxes.

For your first year, try not to make more than 75k? I don't know the exact number but once you get past that, you can not deduct stuff like interest on your student loans.

That's about all you can do.
 
Hey guys,
I just started working as a pharmacist (new grad) living in NY, single, no kids. I don't know much about taxes. My question is what is the best way to reduce taxes in NY I get about 40-42% of my paycheck going to government. It's unfortunate that almost half the workday I work for free. Anyone have any tips? I also heard that the first year after graduating I should be receiving a good return..how do I go about this?

There's no way around it. In California, we also pay 40% of our paycheck to the government. There are a few ways for you to lower your tax bill but it also means you have to spend money. Besides 401 k, there's not much.

(1) 401 k: this year the max is $17,500 (can't touch this until you are like 65 or you will be penalized).
(2) Health saving account: i think the max is $2000 per year per family. In case you need some health or dental works. The catch is that you must spend all of the money you have allocated that year or you loss it.
(3) Mortgage and property tax
(4) You can start a business and write things off. However, your business must be profitable for 3 out of 5 years or you must return the write offs to the IRS
(5) You can also write off a portion of your transportation cost (e.g., parking, public bus/train).

These are not tax deductions but look into back door roth ira and employee stock purchase plan (ESPP) as well.

Get yourself a good accountant. I paid this dude $75 and he got me like almost $7000 on my income tax return.

if you don't owe a business or have some complex investment, you don't need an accountant. It's pretty straight forward. Turbotax should be good enough.
 
When you make money through work, they tax the hell out of you but when you make money through investment, the rate is only 15% (20% for some).
 
If you're only working part of the year you may be overpaying taxes because they tax you like you're earning 120k or whatever for the full year, but you actually only earn 40-50k so the taxes should be less. You'll still get the overpayment back on your tax return next year but it could be substantial amount like $7,000 that Sparda said, which personally I'd rather have sooner than later. So you can increase the number of allowances on your W-4 form to about 8 so they withhold less taxes from each paycheck. If you don't know how to do it, you can consult an accountant now, instead of waiting until you do your tax return. Next year, you will have to put your W-4 withholding allowances back to normal, which is usually 2 for most people.

You do get screwed in NYC with state and city income taxes. Most other cities do not have city income tax, and some states like Texas and Florida don't have state income tax. For example, in FL I only pay about 26-28% of my paycheck in federal income tax, Social Security and Medicare.

6.2% of your taxes goes to Social Security, so you should receive some benefit when you retire. Once your wages hit $113,700/yr you don't pay anymore, which will probably apply towards the end of next year. If you have more than one job, and your combined wages takes you over the limit, remember to claim back the excess on your tax return.
 
When you make money through work, they tax the hell out of you but when you make money through investment, the rate is only 15% (20% for some).

yep

your average rph working and paying 30% rate, yet those fund mgrs only paying 20% capital gains tax on the profits they make on their daily stock trading, and these guys rake in millions each year
 
seems to me like a regular roth would be better for a pharmacist? doesn't the cash come out pre-tax (like the 401k) and lower your taxable income? I'm curious if you can pull into both 401k and a roth?
 
Thanks for the valuable input from all of you. This thread is probably helpful for a lot of people keep the advice coming! Thank you.
 
If you're only working part of the year you may be overpaying taxes because they tax you like you're earning 120k or whatever for the full year, but you actually only earn 40-50k so the taxes should be less. You'll still get the overpayment back on your tax return next year but it could be substantial amount like $7,000 that Sparda said, which personally I'd rather have sooner than later. So you can increase the number of allowances on your W-4 form to about 8 so they withhold less taxes from each paycheck. If you don't know how to do it, you can consult an accountant now, instead of waiting until you do your tax return. Next year, you will have to put your W-4 withholding allowances back to normal, which is usually 2 for most people.

You do get screwed in NYC with state and city income taxes. Most other cities do not have city income tax, and some states like Texas and Florida don't have state income tax. For example, in FL I only pay about 26-28% of my paycheck in federal income tax, Social Security and Medicare.

6.2% of your taxes goes to Social Security, so you should receive some benefit when you retire. Once your wages hit $113,700/yr you don't pay anymore, which will probably apply towards the end of next year. If you have more than one job, and your combined wages takes you over the limit, remember to claim back the excess on your tax return.

I read about allowances and I have to talk to an accountant about updating my W-4 to 2 allowances. Right now its at 0...However, i'm not sure i understand what this means. Can you please explain this in simple language? The only thing I understand is that if noone claims me I can claim myself as a dependent (1 allowance), and if I only work one job (another allowance)..therefore I put 2 allowances. What does this do to my taxes on a pay check to paychek basis and at the end of the year basis. Thanks in advance.
 
I read about allowances and I have to talk to an accountant about updating my W-4 to 2 allowances. Right now its at 0...However, i'm not sure i understand what this means. Can you please explain this in simple language? The only thing I understand is that if noone claims me I can claim myself as a dependent (1 allowance), and if I only work one job (another allowance)..therefore I put 2 allowances. What does this do to my taxes on a pay check to paychek basis and at the end of the year basis. Thanks in advance.

Simple form: An allowance decreases the amount of tax withheld each check. In more complex terms, an allowance is a way for you and the IRS to *anticipate* (forward looking prediction) what level of deductions you will be taking at the end of the year. Higher allowances are associated with family, children, self employment, etc .. because people in these situations will be taking more deductions (reduction of taxable income) at the end of the year..

Per the IRS .. you can do this 2 ways.

1. Set your allowances based on the employer provided worksheet (like you just talked about .. dependency status, # of jobs, family size, etc) .. see second post for more info on the flaws of this method.

2. Calculate your estimated taxes owed using the IRS calculator (or any calculator) and set allowances based on how much tax you anticipate owing... each additional allowance reduces the amount of taxes taken out of your biweekly check. 0 allowances means the IRS withholds basically the maximum possible tax that you could conceivably owe.

Here is a simple rule of thumb. more allowances = you keep more of your paycheck.

---Setting too many allowances .. and you will owe at the end of the year .. once you get over a certain amount , you can get penalized , for inaccurate withholding , this happens when you owe the IRS something like 5-10k at the end of the year.

---Setting too few allowances .. not illegal but you will get screwed because you are basically giving the irs a year long loan until they give it back and you get a giant tax return.

Because of the nature of first year pharmacist work (ie variable hours, graduate intern pay, floating, deductible expenses (transportation, licensing, mileage, depending on job status) , the standard recommended allowances typically will screw you , and you will get a huge tax return at the end of the year (goal is to keep as much money as you can out of each check) .. So during your early years, you will want to set allowances based on your calculated yearly earnings. Typically the amount of tax withheld is based on a projected income from 1 year of biweekly paychecks.. as you probably know, this is likely inaccurate.

Use the IRS withholding tool. It willl help you see what is being withheld versus what you will likely owe on a yearly basis. You want to set your allowances so that IRS withholds just enough so that you dont owe at the end of the year, but not so much that you are losing money on a weekly basis only to have it paid back to you at the end of the financial year. http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/IRS-Withholding-Calculator

You can set any # of allowances legally as long as you dont owe the IRS over a certain amount at the end of the year. It is a common misconception that you need to use the amount of allowances on the worksheet.


Basics: Calculate your yearly tax owed (using irs calculator or tax tables, or any method).. Divide it by the number of paychecks you expect (not 12x2 .. because in a given 52 week year there are going to be an extra check or two). Then set your allowances so that this amount is withheld each check.

Because you will be estimating your taxes owed due to the fact that your hours or pay rate may change (ie floating, overtime, bonuses, etc) .. you may have to change your allowances occasionally , if you are following the most aggressive strategy. You really dont want to owe the IRS at the end of the year. But, the more allownces you take, the more money you take home each month.


Edit: sidenote/tidbit. Allowances worksheets are designed to help working class people make sure that they can achieve financial stability and never owe tax at the end of the year .. also it allows them to basically 'save' money by storing it in the IRS coffers to be received as a 'bonus' check at the end of the tax year. This helps people feel good by getting a 'tax refund' .. and helps make sure they are never screwed by the govt and cause them financial ruin. Obviously this is not super applicable to high income earning people who have financial knowledge.

Edit #2. You dont need an accountant to do this. This is personal finance 101. You will be ripped off by paying an accountant to help you set your allowances, unless you are in a very particular and unique situation, such as having an unusual marriage/family tax situation, being a small business owner, working as an independent contractor, receiving investment income, etc.
 
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Another note on allowances:

Most new pharmacist graduates will begin as a graduate intern or as a floater ... this means that they will make .. say.. 50-75% of their final pharmacist salary for several months or even half of their first year of their career.

However, once you achieve your final pay, the IRS will tax you as if you are earning that pay all year round. Ie: if you are making $60/hr for the second half of your first year , your paycheck will be taxed as if you are going to make 120k that year .. however, you will make less due to the first six months being spent as a graduate intern or floater (lets say 50-80k/year)..

Long story short / Practical implications:

It is wise to set a high number of allowances once you hit your final pharmacist salary, during your first year. The IRS will be assuming you are going to be taxed at the 120k/year rate .. but at the end of the year, you will have only made say 90k.. you would get a huge refund if you did not set your allowances high enough.

Allowances are a way for you and the IRS to anticipate tax owed. You should do your own predictions of your yearly earnings and set your allowances to reflect that.


In an ideal situation, you should never be getting a "good return".. This means you loaned money to the USgov for a year and they profited off of it, realized their error, and refunded it to you. Personally, my goal is to keep as much money as I can and come out even at the end of the year, or even owe a touch (<$1000) .. meaning that the IRS never banked any of my money that it shouldn't have. A followup to this is claiming exempt status. Out of the 10 or so jobs I have held.. I have only claimed allowances / withholdings for one of them.. the rest I claimed exempt (ie: limitless allowances, 0 tax withheld). Obviously I am not some special 'tax exempt' person.. I just claimed exempt because I knew I wouldn't owe anything at the end of the year and I didn't want the IRS borrowing my money. Pharmacy interns and anyone with a part time job making <10-15k/year should claim tax exempt on their withholding. While this doesnt apply to pharmacists .. it is a good example of the fact that the withholding form w-4 ... is what you make of it. The IRS doesnt care how you fill out the form as long as you pay them what they are owed by the time the year is done.

Claiming tax exempt status is subject to a few terms and conditions... but, if you have had a **** ton of income withheld and are overpaying the IRS .. there is nothing stopping you from claiming 20 allowances for a few months to recoup some of that money. You can change your allowances on a monthly or even biweekly basis usually (although HR may be peeved at filing paperwork , they are legally obligated). I always keep a few copies of form w4 on hand in case I need to make changes.

Another tidbit: there may be a form w-4 (equivalent) for your state or city (?) income taxes as well. Dont forget to file those forms too!
 
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(2) Health saving account: i think the max is $2000 per year per family. In case you need some health or dental works. The catch is that you must spend all of the money you have allocated that year or you loss it.
I believe you have it reversed here. From my understanding, the HSA (health savings account) rolls over year to year, while the FSA (flexible spending account) must be used by the year's end. Which is why one S stands for "saving" and the other for "spending." Make sure you know which one your employer offers though, so you don't contribute a few grand only to have it vanish, or hurriedly spend it thinking it will disappear when it actually will not.
 
I believe you have it reversed here. From my understanding, the HSA (health savings account) rolls over year to year, while the FSA (flexible spending account) must be used by the year's end. Which is why one S stands for "saving" and the other for "spending." Make sure you know which one your employer offers though, so you don't contribute a few grand only to have it vanish, or hurriedly spend it thinking it will disappear when it actually will not.

Yes. Bmb has enlightened us once again 😉

Hsa:
--Only from employer benefits
--Can compound interest
--Rolls over
--Only offered with high deductible insurance
--Tax free
--can make personal contributions
--can be taken with you (portable)

Fsa:
--Expires yearly
--not portable
--tax free
--can be used if self employed
--can be used for childcare
--must set withholding once yearly (generally)
--cannot make personal contributions
--no health plan requirement

Fsa is great if you can reasonably anticipate your expenses. But not very flexible in reality. But most people can get this.

Hsa + high deductible plan is even better. Downside is no childcare and not everyone offers it and you must have qualifying insurance to get it.

Hth

Being smart with Hsa and high deductible plan can be a good idea. It basically can reduce your copay or coinsurance down to nearly nothing. . And after you spend it, healthcare is more or less free after meeting your deductible.

After working for an insurance company.. I gotta say, high deductible plans are the way to go if you have any decently large need for healthcare. You always know what you will spend in a given year, you never pay more for expensive treatments or therapies .. and you get to enjoy miniscule premiums.

Regular health plans are better if employer subsidizes a large percentage of the higher premium and you are otherwise healthy and only need to use medical services occasionally because they will be minimal cost.

On an hdp .. your first couple of months of a healthcare year will cost you a lot of money.(thousands out of pocket). but if you anticipate expensive care .. it will become free pretty fast if you have the cash up front (or in hsa) to pay the deductible
 
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in the next election, vote for ron paul(if he still runs that is). he's been talking about abolishing the unconstitutional income tax for years already. Nobody listens to or votes for him though cause he's an independent lol. America flourished for nearly 200 years without an income tax. lets go back to those times!
 
in the next election, vote for ron paul(if he still runs that is). he's been talking about abolishing the unconstitutional income tax for years already. Nobody listens to or votes for him though cause he's an independent lol. America flourished for nearly 200 years without an income tax. lets go back to those times!

Plus Ron paul was hilarious in the movie Borat! 😛
 
I believe you have it reversed here. From my understanding, the HSA (health savings account) rolls over year to year, while the FSA (flexible spending account) must be used by the year's end. Which is why one S stands for "saving" and the other for "spending." Make sure you know which one your employer offers though, so you don't contribute a few grand only to have it vanish, or hurriedly spend it thinking it will disappear when it actually will not.

Yes you are right. It is FSA
 
Has anyone noticed the trend of nationalization of retirement acounts? You don't think the gates won't go up on your IRAs when the govt starts looking for the cookie jar?

Back in the 80's criminal enterprise was institutionalized. Think narco money. Ever wonder why corporations contribute a match to your 401k? Out of the kindness of the little hearts? No, it STFU money. It's your cut of the action as our military/intelligence agencies raped and pillaged the ROW. Now the BRICS are pushing back and the goons in our govt can't any longer afford to cut us a check.
 
Well, someone is getting schooled all over this thread. :laugh:

That is why I said "like 65". Obviously I didn't care too much about the exact age. I am still YEARS from retirement. Hope I am not petty when I am older. :meanie:
 
When you make money through work, they tax the hell out of you but when you make money through investment, the rate is only 15% (20% for some).

Capital gains are taxes less because money you invest are taxed already, so it's already a bit of double taxation. Personally I also little justification for estate tax. Why is money you leave behind, after paying income tax + capital gains tax + property tax + sales tax is taxed yet another time up to 40% before to you can leave it to your kids? I think it's government trying to grab more tax money with the least amount of disincentive for economic output and political push back. After all dead people don't complain or vote. 🙄
 
Capital gains are taxes less because money you invest are taxed already, so it's already a bit of double taxation. Personally I also little justification for estate tax. Why is money you leave behind, after paying income tax + capital gains tax + property tax + sales tax is taxed yet another time up to 40% before to you can leave it to your kids? I think it's government trying to grab more tax money with the least amount of disincentive for economic output and political push back. After all dead people don't complain or vote. 🙄

That is a fair point. However, there is no estate tax for the first $5 million dollar.
 
That is a fair point. However, there is no estate tax for the first $5 million dollar.

My parents may well have more than that right now. And if the logic isn't sound, why should we tax any amount of inheritance?
 
My parents may well have more than that right now. And if the logic isn't sound, why should we tax any amount of inheritance?

Because it encourages wealthy families to invest their money, rather than holding on to cash and leaving it to their children. Furthermore, if there's no estate tax, where are we going to get the billions to compensate for it? Most likely, it would come from the middle class.

It's the same thing as inflation. It encourages people to invest.

Lets also talk about fairness. Is it fair for a hedge fund manager to only be taxed at 20% rate when all he's doing is investing other people's money? Is it fair for me to pay a higher insurance rate because my coworkers don't take care of themselves?

You have it good. Your parents did a great job.
 
Because it encourages wealthy families to invest their money, rather than holding on to cash and leaving it to their children. Furthermore, if there's no estate tax, where are we going to get the billions to compensate for it? Most likely, it would come from the middle class.

It's the same thing as inflation. It encourages people to invest.

Lets also talk about fairness. Is it fair for a hedge fund manager to only be taxed at 20% rate when all he's doing is investing other people's money? Is it fair for me to pay a higher insurance rate because my coworkers don't take care of themselves?

You have it good. Your parents did a great job.

Estate tax include value of investments.

To argue where the government would get more money should first ask why it is spending more money than than without double-triple taxation, and some how still going broke with it.

My parents worked hard, came here as immigrants with nothing and saved up a fortune through sweat frugality and intelligence. This is the traditional spirit of america, should be encouraged rather than punished with taxes and more taxes.
 
My parents worked hard, came here as immigrants with nothing and saved up a fortune through sweat frugality and intelligence. This is the traditional spirit of america, should be encouraged rather than punished with taxes and more taxes.

That's why you are getting the first $5 million dollars tax free. My parents also worked hard but unfortunately, they are not risk takers. They worked for someone else. They are not going to leave with anything :laugh:

No big deal really. I probably made more last year than my dad made in 10 years and that made my dad proud.
 
That's why you are getting the first $5 million dollars tax free. My parents also worked hard but unfortunately, they are not risk takers. They worked for someone else. They are not going to leave with anything :laugh:

No big deal really. I probably made more last year than my dad made in 10 years and that made my dad proud.

Moral of the story, marry an immigrant woman/man. We are a bunch hard workers and extreme savers :-D
 
(4) You can start a business and write things off. However, your business must be profitable for 3 out of 5 years or you must return the write offs to the IRS

where the hell did you get that last part?
 
Estate tax include value of investments.

To argue where the government would get more money should first ask why it is spending more money than than without double-triple taxation, and some how still going broke with it.

My parents worked hard, came here as immigrants with nothing and saved up a fortune through sweat frugality and intelligence. This is the traditional spirit of america, should be encouraged rather than punished with taxes and more taxes.

I think it is fair for your family to keep more of that money then.

The whole entire reasoning of the real estate tax is that federal spending has to be paid by somebody. It might as well be paid from our top 1 percenters, who probably paid less income taxes on those income to begin with. Remember that estate taxes are only for inheritances over millions..., and people who have millions to give probably got it from investments where they are taxed at less than 17 percent after deductions.

If it is not from them, the money has to come from some where else... ie your parents who came here as immigrants, worked through sweat, frugality, and intelligence and actually paid the tax rate (50 percent) that OP mentioned.
 
I think it is fair for your family to keep more of that money then.

The whole entire reasoning of the real estate tax is that federal spending has to be paid by somebody. It might as well be paid from our top 1 percenters, who probably paid less income taxes on those income to begin with. Remember that estate taxes are only for inheritances over millions..., and people who have millions to give probably got it from investments where they are taxed at less than 17 percent after deductions.

If it is not from them, the money has to come from some where else... ie your parents who came here as immigrants, worked through sweat, frugality, and intelligence and actually paid the tax rate (50 percent) that OP mentioned.

They paid income tax, after that they invested the money, then they had to pay income tax again (rental income pay income tax) and capital gains tax (when selling a property) again, now they have to pay estate tax on top of that if they wanted to pass it on? How does that even make sense?

People who accumulated millions already paid their income tax before they got around to pay capital gains on their investments (and that only IF they made though gains by investing correctly). People focusing on the capital gains rate tend to ignore that.

You are right about one thing, it's just government want more money after they are blew it and then some. So they are just going after where they can find it. It has nothing to do with fairness. The real question is why we are blowing so much money that we have to double-triple tax and still runs out of money. Too much military, too much welfare, too much waste.
 
I think he just doesn't understand the rule.

3 of 5 isn't even a hard and fast rule, IRS has been taken to court over it, so there's another set of criterion that can apply. Not to mention statute of limitations is 3 years, which makes an IRS clawback after 5 impossible/not legal.

But what do I know? :idea:
 
I don't know why the debt squad is making a big deal about something out of nothing. Of course what I wrote is in generalization and not specifics.

Wasn't I correct about:

(1) amount of interest you will pay when you are on IBR?
(2) difficulty of saving and getting a mortgage to buy a house (in the city) when you have a lot of student loan debt?
(3) working for a non profit organization so you can get your loan discharge about 10 years

Whether the program is called HSA vs FSA or 59 vs 65 year old when you can withdraw from your 401 k is really irreverent to the point I was making.
 
3 of 5 isn't even a hard and fast rule, IRS has been taken to court over it, so there's another set of criterion that can apply. Not to mention statute of limitations is 3 years, which makes an IRS clawback after 5 impossible/not legal.

But what do I know? :idea:

Yep. 👍

But...my business is profitable every year, so it doesn't really apply to me. I just had to get that in. 😉😀
 
3 of 5 isn't even a hard and fast rule, IRS has been taken to court over it, so there's another set of criterion that can apply. Not to mention statute of limitations is 3 years, which makes an IRS clawback after 5 impossible/not legal.

But what do I know? :idea:

Apparently we have a financial guru who is drowning in debt.
 
3 of 5 isn't even a hard and fast rule, IRS has been taken to court over it, so there's another set of criterion that can apply. Not to mention statute of limitations is 3 years, which makes an IRS clawback after 5 impossible/not legal.

But what do I know? :idea:

Yep. 👍

But...my business is profitable every year, so it doesn't really apply to me. I just had to get that in. 😉😀
 
I guess what I wrote really hit your soft spots.

I don't have soft spots. :meanie:

I just think that it's hilarious that your response, when someone tells you that you're wrong, is to say "Oh, that doesn't matter anyway." Just admit that you aren't an expert, learn from your mistakes, and move on. Try some humility.

Apparently we have a financial guru who is drowning in debt.

Insulting him as a debate tactic? If that's the best you can do...
 
I don't have soft spots. :meanie:

I just think that it's hilarious that your response, when someone tells you that you're wrong, is to say "Oh, that doesn't matter anyway." Just admit that you aren't an expert, learn from your mistakes, and move on. Try some humility.



Insulting him as a debate tactic? If that's the best you can do...

He is a big boy. I am sure he can take it . I am sure he doesn't need someone to protect him.

Yes I have learned the program is called FSA. I will put this valuable information in my pocket in case I ever need to use it.

Yes you are right. It is FSA
 
He is a big boy. I am sure he can take it . I am sure he doesn't need someone to protect him.

Yes I have learned the program is called FSA. I will put this valuable information in my pocket in case I ever need to use it.

I think you've learned a few more things too, if you could be a big boy and admit it. :meanie:
 
Apparently we have a financial guru who is drowning in debt.

lol, drowning? nah. i'm like this, yo'

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