scholl rejection ?

[pipetman]

hey all,

i've searched the threads and i can't find the answer to this question..

i know some people have gotten rejected after the interview (i.e temple) but has that happened to anyone at scholl? why would they interview you if they don't want you?

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[j0ez0r]

i didnt interview there but i would have to think that scholl would only interview you if they thought you had a good chance of being successful there

 

[mrfeet]

i didnt interview there but i would have to think that scholl would only interview you if they thought you had a good chance of being successful there

For the most part this is true. Scholl typically interviews people that they strongly consider accepting, unlike other schools such as Temple and Des Moines who will make you fly there and go through the interview process and never had any intention of accepting you in the first place. Des Moines has actually made people come for an interview after the class has already been filled for the following year and not told the individual that the class was filled. In my opinion this is unethical and I would have been mad as hell if they had done that to me.

Why do some schools invite you for an interview when you never had a chance of getting in, while others don't? Well I think there are several reasons:

(1) Some schools interview as many candidates as possible and then only accept a small percentage of these interviewees to make their admission standards seem higher

(2) Accepting everyone that you interview has recently been frailed upon by many students and schools, and as such many podiatry schools are now trying not to accept everyone they interview

(3) They were going to accept you, but something or someone threw up a "red flag" and they decided not to. This actually happened to a friend of mine who interviewed at OCPM several years ago, who at that time accepted 99.9% of the people that interviewed there. During his interview he was asked why he wanted to pursue podiatry, and the idiot actually said, "because I didn't get into dental school." Needless to say, he didn't get accepted.

 

[roadwarrior]

why would accepting every competent student that a school interviews be frowned upon? just don't interview them!

I know this happened to my md friends too..spent all this money (and had so much hope!) only to get rejected after an interview. and it wasn't like they totally blew it or had red flags in their app. they just interviewed too many people for spots that weren't available.

anyway im sure you'll get in pipetman!

 

[SkipeeB]

For the most part this is true. Scholl typically interviews people that they strongly consider accepting, unlike other schools such as Temple and Des Moines who will make you fly there and go through the interview process and never had any intention of accepting you in the first place. Des Moines has actually made people come for an interview after the class has already been filled for the following year and not told the individual that the class was filled. In my opinion this is unethical and I would have been mad as hell if they had done that to me.

Why do some schools invite you for an interview when you never had a chance of getting in, while others don't? Well I think there are several reasons:

(1) Some schools interview as many candidates as possible and then only accept a small percentage of these interviewees to make their admission standards seem higher

(2) Accepting everyone that you interview has recently been frailed upon by many students and schools, and as such many podiatry schools are now trying not to accept everyone they interview

(3) They were going to accept you, but something or someone threw up a "red flag" and they decided not to. This actually happened to a friend of mine who interviewed at OCPM several years ago, who at that time accepted 99.9% of the people that interviewed there. During his interview he was asked why he wanted to pursue podiatry, and the idiot actually said, "because I didn't get into dental school." Needless to say, he didn't get accepted.

How do you know the class didn't fill with that group of interviewers? I know that in past application cycles, they have told people they are interviewing for the alternate list. But honestly, you should consider that too--if you are applying this late in the cycle, you should stop to think that things are probably getting full. They might have had a few open spots and given them to a few other people in your interview group, but this doesn't mean they mislead you. IMO, it means if you would have applied earlier, you wouldn't have had to worry about that! Also, I thought somewhere else it had said that DMU had one of the highest rejection rates, so I don't think they are inviting people who wouldn't stand a chance. It says right on their website that they don't use the interview as a screening process. You will only be invited if they feel you would be a competitive applicant.

 

[JEWmongous]

I really cannot believe some of you guys are asking about why schools would interview an applicant and not accept them. It makes it seem like the admissions people are the "bad guys" in this situation Sure, at a select few schools ie Barry and California, if you are interviewed, then you are almost guaranteed an acceptance to their program. Cali will even give you an acceptance packet at the end of interview day (like they already decided pre-interview you are in). However, I feel at schools like temple, dmu, azpod, scholl one should not just show up for an interview and think about receiving an acceptance at the end of the day...or a few days later.

It just seems ridiculous to ask a sort of question like that. MD/DO/Dental schools do this all the time and no one really makes a big deal about it cause that's how it is. With podiatry applications increasing in the next few years, it is going to happen more and more, even at the lower "tier" schools. Sure it sucks to "lose" money but one cannot go in thinking they are going to get accepted everywhere they applied. With resolution 2015 and podiatrists pushing for equality with MD and DO's, schools should definitely not accept everyone they interview. There needs to be standards and some of the pod programs are quite low in this area, but that is a different story altogether.

Just a thought, what happens if you have a terrible interview(s) or just not appear/act very impressive to the admissions committee, should the particular school still accept you just cause you paid all that money to come interview there? People can appear great or excellent on paper but act pretty awkward in person. A pre-pod may seem like a great candidate for the particular program, until they actually show up on the interview day. It's not too hard to get an interview considering most (minus azpod, dmu, maybe scholl) pod schools have like a 20-22 mcat average and 3.2 gpa average. Do okay in classes, get a nationally below average mcat score, hold leadership positions in a few clubs, do some hours of podiatry shadowing, and write a good essay. Someone could even write it for you but the adcom's would not know. The real deal is the interview where the admissions people can see right through you if you happen to be a bull****ter.

 

[bdaddyjolley]

I really cannot believe some of you guys are asking about why schools would interview an applicant and not accept them. It makes it seem like the admissions people are the "bad guys" in this situation Sure, at a select few schools ie Barry and California, if you are interviewed, then you are almost guaranteed an acceptance to their program. Cali will even give you an acceptance packet at the end of interview day (like they already decided pre-interview you are in). However, I feel at schools like temple, dmu, azpod, scholl one should not just show up for an interview and think about receiving an acceptance at the end of the day...or a few days later.

It just seems ridiculous to ask a sort of question like that. MD/DO/Dental schools do this all the time and no one really makes a big deal about it cause that's how it is. With podiatry applications increasing in the next few years, it is going to happen more and more, even at the lower "tier" schools. Sure it sucks to "lose" money but one cannot go in thinking they are going to get accepted everywhere they applied. With resolution 2015 and podiatrists pushing for equality with MD and DO's, schools should definitely not accept everyone they interview. There needs to be standards and some of the pod programs are quite low in this area, but that is a different story altogether.

Just a thought, what happens if you have a terrible interview(s) or just not appear/act very impressive to the admissions committee, should the particular school still accept you just cause you paid all that money to come interview there? People can appear great or excellent on paper but act pretty awkward in person. A pre-pod may seem like a great candidate for the particular program, until they actually show up on the interview day. It's not too hard to get an interview considering most (minus azpod, dmu, maybe scholl) pod schools have like a 20-22 mcat average and 3.2 gpa average. Do okay in classes, get a nationally below average mcat score, hold leadership positions in a few clubs, do some hours of podiatry shadowing, and write a good essay. Someone could even write it for you but the adcom's would not know. The real deal is the interview where the admissions people can see right through you if you happen to be a bull****ter.

 

[MaseratiGT]

I really cannot believe some of you guys are asking about why schools would interview an applicant and not accept them. It makes it seem like the admissions people are the "bad guys" in this situation Sure, at a select few schools ie Barry and California, if you are interviewed, then you are almost guaranteed an acceptance to their program. Cali will even give you an acceptance packet at the end of interview day (like they already decided pre-interview you are in). However, I feel at schools like temple, dmu, azpod, scholl one should not just show up for an interview and think about receiving an acceptance at the end of the day...or a few days later.

It just seems ridiculous to ask a sort of question like that. MD/DO/Dental schools do this all the time and no one really makes a big deal about it cause that's how it is. With podiatry applications increasing in the next few years, it is going to happen more and more, even at the lower "tier" schools. Sure it sucks to "lose" money but one cannot go in thinking they are going to get accepted everywhere they applied. With resolution 2015 and podiatrists pushing for equality with MD and DO's, schools should definitely not accept everyone they interview. There needs to be standards and some of the pod programs are quite low in this area, but that is a different story altogether.

Just a thought, what happens if you have a terrible interview(s) or just not appear/act very impressive to the admissions committee, should the particular school still accept you just cause you paid all that money to come interview there? People can appear great or excellent on paper but act pretty awkward in person. A pre-pod may seem like a great candidate for the particular program, until they actually show up on the interview day. It's not too hard to get an interview considering most (minus azpod, dmu, maybe scholl) pod schools have like a 20-22 mcat average and 3.2 gpa average. Do okay in classes, get a nationally below average mcat score, hold leadership positions in a few clubs, do some hours of podiatry shadowing, and write a good essay. Someone could even write it for you but the adcom's would not know. The real deal is the interview where the admissions people can see right through you if you happen to be a bull****ter.

I agree with you 100%. I interviewed at three schools, but I never thought that the interview was just a formality and I was already accepted. I went into each one with the mindset - Me being a student here depends now on this interview.

The interviewing process is very expensive with travel costs, but it's an investment in your future. I spent thousands on my interviews, but I'm glad I did. I got to see which school was right for me.

The interview is as much for your benefit as it is for the school. You need to make sure that this is a school that you can attend for four years.

 

[roadwarrior]

okay. Do i think they should accept everyone they interview? i do not. some people maybe don't interview well. maybe there are red flags in the student's app that the adcoms weren't aware of. im not trying to make the schools into bad guys...they have their reasons.

i can see a school interviewing for a waitlist spot. okay. but i think pipetman's question was more like why interview a student at all if they have no chance of getting in? that's my take on it.

but if pod schools want to be on par with md/do schools, why do they invite people to interview without an mcat score? i dont think md/do schools even look at your app until those scores are in.

anyway, thats my two cents. good luck to everyone this cycle.

 

[TheBee]

Another stat to consider... My good friend just interviewed at Marquette's Dental School in the fall (WI), and she said they interview 300 people each cycle to fill 80 seats. Now those are bad odds.

 

[crhoody12]

Yeah dental is crazy...I just had an interview at Temple Dental the other day...they had 4200 applicants, approx 500 interviews, only 125 spots...

 

[podoc123]

I just interviewed at Scholl on Friday and I hope to hear tomorrow if I got accepted or not. I'm also interviewing at Midwestern in March, does anyone know if they reject a lot of their interviewees or if they accept most of the people they interview? Anyone have rejection experience post interview at midwestern? Thanks for the info

 

[Feli]

..With podiatry applications increasing in the next few years, it is going to happen more and more, even at the lower "tier" schools. Sure it sucks to "lose" money but one cannot go in thinking they are going to get accepted everywhere they applied. With resolution 2015 and podiatrists pushing for equality with MD and DO's, schools should definitely not accept everyone they interview. There needs to be standards and some of the pod programs are quite low in this area, but that is a different story altogether.

Just a thought, what happens if you have a terrible interview(s) or just not appear/act very impressive to the admissions committee, should the particular school still accept you just cause you paid all that money to come interview there? People can appear great or excellent on paper but act pretty awkward in person. A pre-pod may seem like a great candidate for the particular program, until they actually show up on the interview day. It's not too hard to get an interview considering most (minus azpod, dmu, maybe scholl) pod schools have like a 20-22 mcat average and 3.2 gpa average. Do okay in classes, get a nationally below average mcat score, hold leadership positions in a few clubs, do some hours of podiatry shadowing, and write a good essay. Someone could even write it for you but the adcom's would not know. The real deal is the interview where the admissions people can see right through you if you happen to be a bull****ter.

This is well stated^

The overall applicant pool is increasing (as it is for all health professions), so I certainly agree there will be a trend, even at currently less selective pod schools, to have to reject more applicants - both pre and post-interview. Especially if the number of seats at some of the less selective schools with large classes (we all know which ones they are) gets enforced, there will be more students denied.

If you want to know what I think the biggest reason for post-interview rejection is, it definitely boils down to two main things: 1) late application and 2) lack of knowledge about podiatry. A lot of the pod schools are wary of students, even smart ones, who appear to be jumping pre-dent or pre-med to pod at the last minute without having much idea what DPMs really do. This reasoning is why I, and many other pod students/residents who post here, repeatedly suggest that students apply early in the cycle, take the MCAT, and do extensive shadowing of multiple DPMs. Those factors (along with the obvious good interview) definitely give you the best chances of both acceptance and scholarship offerings the schools may have. GL to all...

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Another stat to consider... My good friend just interviewed at Marquette's Dental School in the fall (WI), and she said they interview 300 people each cycle to fill 80 seats. Now those are bad odds.

Yeah dental is crazy...I just had an interview at Temple Dental the other day...they had 4200 applicants, approx 500 interviews, only 125 spots...

While I realize dental is very competitive, you maybe surprised by some pod school ratios. I would guess that some schools are about a 3-4 : 1 ratio.

 

[TheBee]

Application:Acceptance or Interview:Acceptance?