School ranks

[cabo]

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I know they stoped rating dental schools, but don't they get ranked based on their performance on the boards. I can't find that info anywhere. Does anyone know of a website or something.


thanks

 

[ItsGavinC]

Sorry, but that information isn't easily divulged. Harvard is the perennial champ, with UConn and other schools following closely behind.

 

[Brutus0725]

Sorry, but that information isn't easily divulged. Harvard is the perennial champ, with UConn and other schools following closely behind.

What year was harvard the champ? They don't always have the best board scores. Also, how hard can it be with a class of only 32?? If I took the top 32 in my class, we would be on top...

That is why they can't really rank the schools. Also, board scores are not a test of the best school either. Sure UConn does good but have you seen what type of clinical experience they get? They are with the med students, playing second..

Just my 2cents

 

[dentist_to_be?]

does anyone know where maryland ranked? I remember them mentioning
the percentile during the interview...

does anyone remember what it was?

 

[budge311]

Why don't they rank dental schools anymore?

 

[organichemistry]

because there's not really a good way to do it. plus the dental schools stood up to us news and world report.

Follow this link http://www.tambcd.edu/DentalCE/askdoc/html/school_rankings.html

Why don't they rank dental schools anymore?

 

[drat]

What year was harvard the champ? They don't always have the best board scores. Also, how hard can it be with a class of only 32?? If I took the top 32 in my class, we would be on top...

That is why they can't really rank the schools. Also, board scores are not a test of the best school either. Sure UConn does good but have you seen what type of clinical experience they get? They are with the med students, playing second..

Just my 2cents

Nice argument! I don't know how many students make up your class, but say 35 students is 1/3 of your class. If you want to compare apples to apples, you would need to average the scores of your 35 students to the top 1/3 of Harvard's students. If you want to compare your school's top 1/3 to Harvard's average of their entire class (so n=35 at each the two schools), you would be comparing apples to oranges. But who knows, maybe the H-bomb would still be on top. 😛

In the past couple of years their average board I scores have been in the mid to upper 90s. Don't have the #s in front of me now.

 

[UofM_DMD]

My God........do We Really Have To Have A Thread Like This Created Every Day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ItsGavinC]

What year was harvard the champ? They don't always have the best board scores.

Uh-oh. That's what I thought, but our Harvard colleagues won't stand for that.

 

[ItsGavinC]

In the past couple of years their average board I scores have been in the mid to upper 90s. Don't have the #s in front of me now.

Yeah, I think their average was 96 last year, which is insane!

 

[Tarheel]

I guess we will know once and for all who is #1 this Monday night. Is it going to be Louisville, Illinois, UNC, or Michigan State? I guess we will have to let Michigan State represent U Mich or Detroit-Mercy by proxy. Then we can end this eternal question. Go Tarheels!

I have seen a copy of the average performance for the July 2004 boards and the three highest averages per school were 93.3, 92.5, and 89.9. This information is sent to each of the Deans but without identifiers as to which school is which. They just tell each school which number they are. Keep in mind that 49 dental schools took NBDE I in the summer 2004 so this doesn't include the handful of schools who take it in December.

Another interesting thing is that the difference for summer 2004 between being ranked #10 in the nation(86.6) and #33 in the nation (85.2) is not that great. A difference of 1.4 points over 24 schools.

 

[J2AZ]

I have seen a copy of the average performance for the July 2004 boards and the three highest averages per school were 93.3, 92.5, and 89.9. This information is sent to each of the Deans but without identifiers as to which school is which. They just tell each school which number they are.

And then the deans email one another with their respective numbers.

 

[ajmacgregor]

Nice argument! I don't know how many students <a href="make%20up" onmouseover="window.status='make up'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">make up</a> your class, but say 35 students is 1/3 of your class. If you want to compare <a href="apples%20to%20apples" onmouseover="window.status='apples to apples'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">apples to apples</a>, you would need to average the scores of your 35 students to the top 1/3 of Harvard's students. If you want to compare your school's top 1/3 to Harvard's average of their entire class (so n=35 at each the two schools), you would be comparing apples to oranges. But who knows, maybe the H-bomb would still be on top. 😛

In the past couple of years their average board I scores have been in the mid to upper 90s. Don't have the #s in front of me now.

Here's my 0.02:

1. Harvard has been #1 on Part 1 for at least the past 5 years, probably more.
2. The argument above is good at first glance, but there is a problem. You make the claim that if you took the top 1/3 of a class of 105, their average would be comparable to Harvard's. However, what if Harvard had a class size of 105? I have many friends who go/went to Harvard, and it's no secret that the medical school education during the first two years prepares them extremely well for the boards. I think you'd be hard pressed to claim that Harvard wouldn't still be #1 if their class size was larger. I guess what I'm saying is that you can't make the generalization that just because Harvard has a small class size, they have a distinct advantage when it comes to board score averages. The bottom line is that the Harvard predocs are very smart, motivated individuals who have a rigorous education in basic sciences provided by the medical school and dental sciences from the dental school.

 

[drat]

2. The argument above is good at first glance, but there is a problem. You make the claim that if you took the top 1/3 of a class of 105, their average would be comparable to Harvard's. However, what if Harvard had a class size of 105? I have many friends who go/went to Harvard, and it's no secret that the medical school education during the first two years prepares them extremely well for the boards. I think you'd be hard pressed to claim that Harvard wouldn't still be #1 if their class size was larger. I guess what I'm saying is that you can't make the generalization that just because Harvard has a small class size, they have a distinct advantage when it comes to board score averages. The bottom line is that the Harvard predocs are very smart, motivated individuals who have a rigorous education in basic sciences provided by the medical school and dental sciences from the dental school.

Hmmm, I guess I'm not following your logic. Maybe my comment "Nice argument!" is causing some confusion 😕 I meant it sarcastically...I didn't imply that UPENN's top 1/3 would necessarily be comparable to Harvard's average board scores. Maybe they would -- only way to tell that if if you had the numbers and ran the average.

I think our underlying conclusion is the same -- we just have a different way of expressing it. I have heard from posters (and even a dean from another school) that if you took the top 35 students' board scores from other dental schools, they would rival Harvard's. To me, that is apples to oranges. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that type of logic gives me the impression that others think Harvard's board scores are high because they have fewer students. ?? Apples to apples would be an average of the whole class or an average of both schools' top 1/3.

And, like you said, if Harvard's class size was 100+, there's no definite proof that board scores would go down. What would be interesting is to see if there is a significant correlation between class size and board scores. But that would be impossible to determine since 90% (my made-up number) of dental schools won't release their board scores. 🙂

 

[delicious]

Listen everyone. Harvard is just the best in everything. Period. I would've eaten a hot doggie poop sandwich to get accepted to harvard. And I would've washed it down with a warm glass of liquified horse rectum. Ala fear factor. For no other school would I have done that. 😛

 

[J2AZ]

I have heard from posters (and even a dean from another school) that if you took the top 35 students' board scores from other dental schools, they would rival Harvard's. To me, that is apples to oranges. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that type of logic gives me the impression that others think Harvard's board scores are high because they have fewer students.

Not high b/c they have fewer students but high b/c they select the top 35 students from their applicant pool. If say a school like PENN, UCONN, UCSF, UW only let in the top 35 applicants and ditched the other 40 that make up their class, I would venture a guess that their board score avg would go up. This assumes that those that score highest on the boards were the top applicants 2 years earlier. I believe Harvards scores are not higher b/c they are a better school but because they have students w/ high IQs that know how to take standardized tests. Thus, Harvards board scores are not a testament to the school but rather the students.

 

[delicious]

I believe Harvards scores are not higher b/c they are a better school but because they have students w/ high IQs that know how to take standardized tests. Thus, Harvards board scores are not a testament to the school but rather the students.

I believe that if you took 35 crazy hobos (who claim to be people like prince charles, the pope, lindburgh baby, etc) and made that a harvard class, they would still come out with the highest national board I scores. Harvard is just that good at molding complete crap into winners.

 

[nnjh]

I thought Uconn was number one for the past several years. Well who cares I think I'll start another salary thread.

 

[automaton]

I believe that if you took 35 crazy hobos (who claim to be people like prince charles, the pope, lindburgh baby, etc) and made that a harvard class, they would still come out with the highest national board I scores. Harvard is just that good at molding complete crap into winners.

you must be a work in progress