schools’ attitudes towards student prostitution

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Do you know of medical student that have become escorts / prostitutes ?

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Do you know of any medical students that have become escorts or prostitutes to get money, accommodation, food, ect?


Medical schools' attitudes towards student prostitution

By: Jodi Dixon
Published: 28 February 2012
DOI: 10.1136/sbmj.e913
Cite this as: BMJ 2012;20:e913

Often dismissed as immoral or alternatively described as nothing more than sex between two consenting adults, the acceptability of prostitution sparks immense debate. Mounting evidence suggests that more university students are engaging in prostitution as a means to pay increasing tuition fees, growing debts, and high living costs. The BBC recently reported that "greater numbers of students in England are turning to prostitution to fund their education."[1] This report followed claims by Estelle Hart, National Women's Officer for the National Union of Students, that: "In an economic climate where there are very few jobs, where student support has been massively cut, people are taking more work in the informal economy, such as sex work."[1]

How accurate are these claims? If prostitution by students becomes more widespread and acceptable, what are the implications for medical students?

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A direct correlation with rising tuition fees?
In a cross sectional study published in 2010, researchers surveyed 315 undergraduate students at a London university.[2] More than a quarter of those surveyed knew of a student who had worked in the sex industry. Surveyed students listed pole or lap dancing as the most popular type of sex work they knew of students engaging in, stripping was second, but prostitution was the next most common type of sex work. About 10% of those surveyed knew of someone who had worked as a prostitute or escort, and when asked why they thought students undertook sex work, 93% gave the need for money as the main reason for doing so.

In 2007, the Journal of Further and Higher Education published the results of a survey exploring students' attitudes towards sex work, in which 130 undergraduate students from a London university were interviewed.[3] Compared with similarly obtained data from 2000 and 2010, the proportion of students who knew of students using prostitution to support themselves financially increased from 3.99% in 2000 to 6.3% in 2006 and 9.8% in 2010,[2] correlating with a rise in tuition fees from a maximum of £1345 (€1623; $2120) to £3000 per year. These trends suggest a direct association between increasing debt and the prevalence of prostitution among students.

The average student today will graduate with a debt of about £25 000. For medical students, who generally study for another two to three years, with more intense working hours and less time for paid employment, the levels of debt are higher. When the current coalition government's plans go ahead to allow universities to charge fees of up to £9000 per year, the British Medical Association (BMA) estimates that medical students' debts could increase to almost £70 000. With this estimate not including overdrafts, credit cards, and professional loans that many students depend on, final debt levels, especially in major cities, could be much higher.

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Dangers of the media
With escalating debts, students in the United Kingdom may view prostitution as an easy way to get rich quick. This view could be fuelled by recent coverage of prostitution in the media—for example, the UK television dramatisation of the popular book Secret Diary of a Call Girl, starring Billie Piper. The television series portrays the life of Belle de Jour, a high class London call girl. Working for an escort agency, Belle is paid hundreds of pounds an hour to attend classy parties and travel abroad on luxurious holidays. She is also paid to have sex with men, and the show makes prostitution seem alluring, because Belle seems to enjoy her job. Danger is never an issue and she oozes glamour and sophistication.

The book was based on the real life experiences of its author Brooke Magnanti, now a research scientist. While studying for her PhD in informatics, epidemiology, and forensic science at the University of Sheffield, Magnanti worked as a high class call girl for a London escort agency. She told the Sunday Times she wanted a job that "doesn't require a great deal of training or investment to get started, that's cash in hand, and that leaves me spare time to do my work in."[4] Magnanti would charge £300 an hour (£200 for herself, £100 for her agency), her appointments would last on average two hours, and she would have two to three appointments each week. With potential earnings of £800 to £1200 per week, it is not difficult to see the financial appeal of prostitution.

The English Collective of Prostitutes (ECP) is the UK based branch of the International Collective of Prostitutes. The organisation offers help, advice, and support to sex workers, and is campaigning to change the law to decriminalise sex work in order to improve the safety and welfare of prostitutes. The ECP does have medical students as part of its network, and has received a rising number of calls from students in general considering sex work.

ECP spokesperson Sarah Walker stresses that prostitution is not glamorous and students are driven to it by poverty: "For many students prostitution is the only means of financial survival and not an easy way to make cash to fund luxuries through a frivolous attitude to sex. Jobs in shops and pubs that students usually take up to cover living costs are increasingly scarce and low paid." Walker also comments that "Ever since grants were done away with and loans introduced, we (the ECP) have been contacted by increasing numbers of students considering or involved in prostitution. Considering that it is common for a student to be saddled with a debt of £30 000 plus at the end of their course, this is no surprise. For women—it's a survival strategy they are driven into by poverty."

The ECP states that "Prostitution appeals to students as it offers greater flexibility to work around studies and higher pay than alternative part time jobs." But the collective does emphasise that prostitution is dangerous work. No official figure exists, but estimates suggest that more than 134 sex workers in the UK have been murdered since 1990, with countless more subjected to rape and assault.

Although one can empathise with students considering prostitution to reduce financial pressure, is it acceptable for future doctors to work as prostitutes?

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No precedent for medical students
Clare Owen, policy lead for student fitness to practise for the General Medical Council (GMC), is not aware of any instances in the UK where a medical student has had action taken against them for prostitution in relation to fitness to practise. Consequently, no precedent has been set as to what action would be taken.

The BMA has never discussed the issue at its general meetings, nor is it something that the Medical Students Committee has considered. The BMA does not consider the prevalence of medical students partaking in prostitution to be widespread. According to the GMC's declaration of fitness to practise, students with criminal convictions must declare their convictions when applying for jobs as a junior doctor.[5] Although prostitution itself is not illegal, activities surrounding it, such as soliciting sex or running a brothel, are against the law.

Similarly, medical schools do not have any specific rules on the matter, and believe that prostitution is not widespread among students. Tony Freemont, head of undergraduate medical education at the University of Manchester, says, "Current members of staff in the school are unaware of any cases for fitness to practise involving such circumstances." When asked if his medical school would consider prostitution by their students to be acceptable, Freemont responded: "Such cases would need to be considered individually taking all available information into account and therefore we cannot confirm a definitive answer."

The University of Birmingham has also never formally considered the issue. Sue Grant, college student services manager at the university's medical school, says: "There is no policy or guidance from the medical school about students working as prostitutes. There have been no referrals under fitness to practise procedures for students working as a prostitute. I think that if we knew of a student who was working as a prostitute, they would be referred to their year tutor to discuss the impact it may have on their professional reputation, but I'm not sure that they would be referred under fitness to practise as there has been no precedent."

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Open interpretation?
The University of Birmingham medical school highlights that students must act within the GMC's guidance for medical practice, Duties of a doctor.[6] This publication outlines standards of behaviour that all UK medical students must adhere to. The GMC guidance for good medical practice includes: "Probity means being honest and trustworthy, and acting with integrity: this is at the heart of medical professionalism. You must make sure that your conduct at all times justifies your patients' trust in you and the public's trust in the profession."

These GMC guidelines raise implications for doctors who are viewed as professional members of society and who have chosen to prostitute themselves. But the guidelines do not necessarily state that a doctor cannot also be a prostitute. Whether prostitution negates a doctor's ability to "act with integrity" and "justify a patient's trust in them and the profession" remains unclear. The interpretation of these standards depends on each patient's moral standpoint on prostitution, a view that would undoubtedly vary widely.

No evidence can prove that a prostitute cannot meet these qualities, and no case has been recorded in which a patient's health has suffered because their doctor was also a prostitute. Furthermore, medical regulating bodies do not have official guidance on the issue, meaning that no clear answer is available as to whether prostitution by a medical student is acceptable. However, what is unacceptable is a student being forced into prostitution out of financial desperation.

A medical student in the final year at the University of Birmingham states: "Being a medical student can be financially crippling. The cost of petrol or public transport just to get to placements is incredibly high and continuing to rise. Student loans and available bursaries do not go far with high living costs, and as a medical student you have so much university work you have little time to get a part time job. Prostitution seems to offer the perfect job for medical students—good money earned quickly. I would not dare to do it because I would be scared about my safety and the opinion people including patients might have about me if they found out, but I can definitely empathise with those who do."

For students to think they have no choice but to resort to prostitution is unacceptable. With tuition fees rising from September 2013, we are yet to discover whether the hike in fees will lead to an increase in students turning to prostitution. Speaking to the BBC World Service, a female owner of a massage parlour from Leeds said, "In my day, people went to university in order to avoid this kind of life, but now they lead this kind of life in order to go to university."[7]

SOURCE: http://student.bmj.com/student/view-article.html?id=sbmj.e913

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Have you ever seen the women in medical school?
 
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I think I knew one but I don't know if she was actually telling the truth or not.
 
What about students who sleep with prostitutes? Is that okay as long as it's in a small county in Nevada?
 
My school offers advising for students who are having difficulty making ends meet. For students who are doing well academically and really need extra money, they often suggest working a small 10hr/wk job in the first two years (obviously, this isn't possible in third year). They usually set students up working typical work-study jobs like working at the campus gym, etc., but for those with additional qualifications they may find things like tutoring gigs and MCAT coaching. They have set a few students up working for escort services, it's an honest and lucrative side job with convenient hours.
 
Have you ever seen the women in medical school?

👍 definitely a majority of them suck sure enough. But every now and then you can find a keeper.

They have set a few students up working for escort services

Forgive me if I don't believe you. That has got to be one low-class, pathetic school if true however, whoring out its students like that.
 
My school offers advising for students who are having difficulty making ends meet. For students who are doing well academically and really need extra money, they often suggest working a small 10hr/wk job in the first two years (obviously, this isn't possible in third year). They usually set students up working typical work-study jobs like working at the campus gym, etc., but for those with additional qualifications they may find things like tutoring gigs and MCAT coaching. They have set a few students up working for escort services, it's an honest and lucrative side job with convenient hours.

I really don't get the whole "problems making ends meet" thing. You can almost always get enough in loans as long as your school clears it on their end (and I'd think they would if they were so concerned about you). Sure, it's not optimal to take out more loans but working your 10hr a week job for an extra few grand a year isn't gonna make that much of a difference if you're that far in the hole anyway.

Seriously, if your school is setting people up with undergrad work-study jobs (or escort services wtf) during the school year instead of trying to help them find genuine financial aid, apply for scholarships/support fellowships or clear them for a couple grand more in loans....that's just lame.
 
Rothbard are you being sarcastic???

When I was completing my undergrad some company put posters up on campus to recruit student to join an escort service...the posters were taken down within days....but this experience opened up my eyes to the reality that some students may choose "unusual" means to make ends meet.
 
With regards to loans some students may not have the option of taking out loans if they have already taken large loans for undergraduate and masters programs before med school or if they and their co-signers have poor credit.
 
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With regards to loans some students may not have the option of taking out loans if they have already taken large loans for undergraduate and masters programs before med school or if they and their co-signers have poor credit.

You can always take out more money if your school clears it as COA from Grad PLUS as long as you don't have an adverse credit history (so basically as long as you haven't gone bankrupt, defaulted on loans, repossessions/foreclosures, etc.). I mean I guess you could be maxing out and have some really crappy credit history but you have to screw up (at the least non-payment/consistent late payments) for your history to be considered "adverse" it's not just a low credit score.
 
They have set a few students up working for escort services, it's an honest and lucrative side job with convenient hours.

Well when you phrase it like that it doesn't sound so bad...LOL. Good one, Rothbard.
 
Umm... Getting busted for prostitution is probably a bad thing. When it comes to escorts, they tip toe around the very fine line between legal and illegal. They usually stay ahead of law enforcement, but they can catch up to you.

I don't think licensing boards look too kindly on something like this, even though I'm guessing that's a misdemeanor.

Here's another thought... You have people saying all the time that they do it to make ends meet or what not (strippers say this too), but so do the many other people who aren't working in the sex industry. Now I don't have anything against escorts or strippers. But unfortunately, society doesn't view them very kindly.
 
They have set a few students up working for escort services, it's an honest and lucrative side job with convenient hours.

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Umm... Getting busted for prostitution is probably a bad thing. When it comes to escorts, they tip toe around the very fine line between legal and illegal. They usually stay ahead of law enforcement, but they can catch up to you.

I don't think licensing boards look too kindly on something like this, even though I'm guessing that's a misdemeanor.

Here's another thought... You have people saying all the time that they do it to make ends meet or what not (strippers say this too), but so do the many other people who aren't working in the sex industry. Now I don't have anything against escorts or strippers. But unfortunately, society doesn't view them very kindly.

I'm guessing the British licensing boards don't mind students being escorts to "make ends meet" :meanie:
 
You can learn a lot from being an "escort". They take care of their customers physical, emotional, and spiritual needs just like physicians.

Community service, STD/HIV research, needle exchange for injecting addicts, the opportunities are endless...
 
With yearly increasing tuition, the elimination of subsidized loans, GME cutbacks, and long-term prospects of reimbursement looking dim, I've seen more and more of my classmates looking for these alternative means of income. We don't like talking about it, but it's a silent epidemic that schools are turning a blind eye (or prostitute's pupil) to. I've been in a few weird encounters where a classmate of mine and a patient seem to share some awkward secret. No one says anything but everybody knows.
 
They have set a few students up working for escort services, it's an honest and lucrative side job with convenient hours.
Horse****. Pic of escort wearing the short white coat and spoon in hand or it didn't happen.
 
I can see students working for an escort service as part of a work-study program. You know, the kind where they provide students a safe way to get around campus and surrounding areas at night. We had one at my undergrad.

An escort agency is different. I can't see any school, let alone any parent, condoning this type of work!
 
The worst part of this is that me posting will almost certainly be taken by a certain someone as harassment, but.... See.... I just browse through a thread only really recognizing posters by their avatars, and then I read something completely idiotic and think to myself "self, who would be dumb enough to say something like this?" and then check the name and..... :smack: some people just have a higher % chance of posting something that fits the criteria.....

For those wondering, check out roth's post history. It is 99% "NM" which were prior troll posts that he edited out which detailed his lucrative career in homeopathy prior to going to medicine, then claiming to drop out, then.... not... with an interesting timeline to boot.... I honestly wish I didn't know all of these details but he has a way of generating thread traffic with his shenanigans. He may honestly have a mental illness and should basically just be ignored because there have been very few threads touched by his nonsense that dont spiral downward rapidly once they start.

As for this thread - I can't imagine anyone attending a US MD school ever having this issue. The student loans are often times well more than is necessary and, at my school, those who are concerned about debt often return significant portions of their loans and live on less than the max. I don't know if all DO schools loan out full COA, however I do have a facebook acquaintance at one who was posting some personal fundraiser "help me pay for medical school" thing... so maybe not. Basically, I would say the bulk of medical students who do these things were likely FMGs (caribbean) or those who passed, but shouldnt have, and weren't able to match. I'm not aware of anyone in medical school being driven to this and it certainly isnt a regular occurrence. As such it is important to note the use of the word "petrol" late in the OP, the citation from BMJ, and various other references that lead me to conclude "I don't give a crap how other countries conduct themselves. This isn't applicable".
 
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I don't know if all DO schools loan out full COA, however I do have a facebook acquaintance at one who was posting some personal fundraiser "help me pay for medical school" thing... so maybe not.

They do, unless your credit is too bad to get a Grad Plus loan and no one is willing to cosign it. Anyone fundraising or prostituting just doesn't want to deal with the debt.

Have you ever seen the women in medical school?

Have you seen the average prostitute?
 
They do, unless your credit is too bad to get a Grad Plus loan and no one is willing to cosign it. Anyone fundraising or prostituting just doesn't want to deal with the debt.



Have you seen the average prostitute?

Could be, but is this true for all schools? I'm not arguing that it isn't just saying there is some wider variability there.

IIRC the government guarantees a student the ability to loan out CoA if admitted to a properly accredited school, they just won't necessarily be subsidized. I'm not even aware of a lower limit in terms of credit since these loans aren't done like mortgages or other forms of private lending. Not saying there isn't one, just never heard of a medical student getting denied loans and college students have some of the worst credit of anyone.
 
They do, unless your credit is too bad to get a Grad Plus loan and no one is willing to cosign it. Anyone fundraising or prostituting just doesn't want to deal with the debt.



Have you seen the average prostitute?

There's a big difference between the prostitutes we commonly think of as street walkers and the escorts who are part of agency and find clients onthe internet. Street walkers usually come from bad upbringings and a lot do drugs. Surprisingly a lot of escorts are well-educated, and lots look like models. Remember Eliot Spitzer?
 
Could be, but is this true for all schools? I'm not arguing that it isn't just saying there is some wider variability there.

IIRC the government guarantees a student the ability to loan out CoA if admitted to a properly accredited school, they just won't necessarily be subsidized. I'm not even aware of a lower limit in terms of credit since these loans aren't done like mortgages or other forms of private lending. Not saying there isn't one, just never heard of a medical student getting denied loans and college students have some of the worst credit of anyone.

You're guaranteed Stafford loans (none of which are subsidized anymore) up to a certain point, but many schools exceed that amount. After that, you need to apply for a Grad Plus loan, which has a higher interest rate and depends on a credit check. You don't need a very good score to qualify, but I remember hearing a dean of admissions say a few years ago that they checked your credit as part of the admissions process to ensure you weren't in a position where you'd be denied those loans. I think he said they liked to see at least a 500 score.

There's a big difference between the prostitutes we commonly think of as street walkers and the escorts who are part of agency and find clients onthe internet. Street walkers usually come from bad upbringings and a lot do drugs. Surprisingly a lot of escorts are well-educated, and lots look like models. Remember Eliot Spitzer?

I know, that was mostly a joke. Just like I've assumed that most of the people voting "Yes" are also joking, but who knows. You'd have to be pretty crazy or pretty desperate to take on all the physical, professional, and legal risks involved with that line of work when you have a sure-thing $150K+ job waiting on you after graduation.
 
You're guaranteed Stafford loans (none of which are subsidized anymore) up to a certain point, but many schools exceed that amount. After that, you need to apply for a Grad Plus loan, which has a higher interest rate and depends on a credit check. You don't need a very good score to qualify, but I remember hearing a dean of admissions say a few years ago that they checked your credit as part of the admissions process to ensure you weren't in a position where you'd be denied those loans. I think he said they liked to see at least a 500 score.

The great thing about Grad PLUS loans are that they don't depend on score. They depend on history. And as long as your histort isn't considered "adverse," you can get approved for the loan. You have to be pretty negligent of your financial responsibilities (or somehow mess up badly) to have an adverse history as defined by the government.

Source: http://www.ifap.ed.gov/dlbulletins/attachments/DLB0703Attach.pdf item #2.
 
What about students who sleep with prostitutes? Is that okay as long as it's in a small county in Nevada?

Reminder that it is ILLEGAL in Las Vegas (although handing out cards with naked women on them, to passers-by is not)
If I remember correctly, there is a population threshold below which prostitution is legal
Closest one to Vegas is Pahrump

Have fun
 
So far medical student prostitution / escort services seem to be more of a UK / EU phenomenon. Apparently 1 out of 10 or 10% of medical students surveyed in the UK know of a medical student that works as an escort / prostitute to make ends meet.
SOURCE: http://www.physiciansmoneydigest.com/lifestyle/Students-Turning-to-Sex-Work-to-Pay-Tuition

I am guessing that loans for medical school in the UK are not as generous as loans in the States. That, along with the strength of the British Pound, and cost of living in the UK probably pushes cash strapped students to do anything to make ends meet.

Either way, my aim in posting the poll was to determine if this occurs in the States as as frequently. If people who vote yes are American, and are sincere, then about 10% of students in America also know of a medical student that works as a prostitute/ escort to make ends meet.

One more article for yall... I will spare you the long post and provide a link.
''Confessions of a student Prostitute"
http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/view-article.html?id=20007043
 
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So far medical student prostitution / escort services seem to be more of a UK / EU phenomenon. Apparently 1 out of 10 or 10% of medical students surveyed in the UK know of a medical student that works as an escort / prostitute to make ends meet.
SOURCE: http://www.physiciansmoneydigest.com/lifestyle/Students-Turning-to-Sex-Work-to-Pay-Tuition

Confounding variable:

How many of those surveyed know the same student engaging in prostitution/escort services? Just because a lot of people know Kimberly is a prostitute doesn't mean that there are a lot of students like Kimberly.
 
The great thing about Grad PLUS loans are that they don't depend on score. They depend on history. And as long as your histort isn't considered "adverse," you can get approved for the loan. You have to be pretty negligent of your financial responsibilities (or somehow mess up badly) to have an adverse history as defined by the government.

Source: http://www.ifap.ed.gov/dlbulletins/attachments/DLB0703Attach.pdf item #2.

Pretty much this. My parents are almost done going through debt settlement and the process requires them to basically default on all of their non-secure loans/lines of credit. Unfortunately, one of their defaults ended up on my credit history and it took about a month to go through the appeals process, mostly waiting for CitiBank to actually review my challenge and reverse their report. The only downside is that the appeals process thinks that this can happen in like a week. As such, they closed the appeal pending any new information before CitiBank fixed their mistake. Reopening it, however, was simply an email to the person reviewing my case.
 
There's a big difference between the prostitutes we commonly think of as street walkers and the escorts who are part of agency and find clients onthe internet. Street walkers usually come from bad upbringings and a lot do drugs. Surprisingly a lot of escorts are well-educated, and lots look like models. Remember Eliot Spitzer?

Understanding that requires a level of finesse and logic that I assume most people don't have... including medical schools.
 
Confounding variable:

How many of those surveyed know the same student engaging in prostitution/escort services? Just because a lot of people know Kimberly is a prostitute doesn't mean that there are a lot of students like Kimberly.

That is very true.

Realistically it is very unlikely that a medical student would have to become an escort or prostitute. Even if they were I don't think many would admit it.

Maybe one day someone will be brave enough to find out the real stats on the percentage of medical students that are escorts or prostitutes.

On another note...I am surprised the percentage of students that know of has gone up to 12.75%!!!
 
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That is very true that is why the words '10% of students KNOW OF' are used rather than '10% of students are'.

Realistically it is very unlikely that a medical student would have to become an escort or prostitute. Even if they were I don't think many would admit it.

Maybe one day someone will be brave enough to find out the real stats on the percentage of medical students that are escorts or prostitutes.

On another note...I am surprised the percentage of students that know of has gone up to 12.75%!!!

Well a quick Wikipedia search shows that prostitution laws in Britain are very lax. I'm not sure how true that is though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_Kingdom#Current_laws

I also typed this into Google, and instantly got links to a bunch of escort sites in the UK. There were also some pages where people ask questions, and it was asked if escorts are legal in Britain. People were generally saying yes. The laws are much different than they are here in the United States.

On the contrary, if you get busted as an escort here in the US, there can be serious penalties even though it's a misdemeanor. Here in Chicago, prostitution busts take place on a regular basis and the mug shots are available to the public immediately, even though the person arrested is technically innocent until proven guilty.

This can ruin the life of a medical student no doubt. Sure the rewards are huge, thousands of dollars per week. Very easy money indeed. But the risks can ruin everything in the matter of an instant, or I guess the moment the "John" announces that he's a police officer.
 
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