Schools outside of the U.S.?

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Hello,
I'm new to the forum, so I don't know if this question has been addressed, but after some reading and talking to people it sounds as if getting into Vet schools outside of the U.S. is "easier"? Is this true? If you go to a vet school outside the U.S., can you still be a practicing DVM in the states? Also, what are some of the better oversea's schools? Do students who are unable to get into a Vet school in the U.S. typically get into an oversea's school?
Thanks so much, in advance!
 
Hi there,

Welcome to the forum! I don't know if I can be much help, I'll just let you know what I know. (And what I know is very limited!)

I can't tell you much about the schools that are AVMA accredited that are overseas, like Australia and some others. I don't know much about these, I do know that it seems like a great option for some people. You can practice in the states, and you have a different title other than a DVM. But as far as I know, it's just a different title with the same benefits of being a DVM. There are many people that go on this forum that attend these schools, so I'm hoping maybe they will chime in about their experiences.

Schools in the Caribbean (Which I am applying to) are not accredited with the AVMA. Therefore, once you graduate you have to take a test - ECVFG and/or PAVE. They are expensive tests, but once you pass them you are able to practice in most of the states. Which states? I'm not positive about this as I have heard different things about different schools.

The three Caribbean schools that I'm looking to apply to (In addition to the US schools I am applying to) is St. George's and St. Matthews. Ross is still up in the air with me. All of which you can get a DVM from. I think it's safe to say that they look at a more holistic view of the student. While many students use these schools as back up in case they don't get into the states, an education is an education. I know a MD that has graduated from St. Matthews and a DVM from St. George and they are both great doctor's that command just as much respect as the other Doctor's that graduated from US schools.

There was a thread not too long about about Caribbean schools. http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=438257
I don't know if that link is going to work. But I would specifically look at the post by Jeff, who is an enrollment counselor at St. George's. Also, there's some information about the overseas schools that are AVMA accredited.

Hope I could answer some of your questions.

Take care. 🙂
 
Hi there,

I also wondered about coming back to the states after having studied vet medicine overseas. I spoke with a VMCAS rep about a school in Wroclaw, Poland and he sent back a couple of links that I found useful regarding PAVE and ECFVG:

http://www.aavsb.org/PAVE/PAVEHome.aspx
http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/default.asp


You also might check to see if a school is AVMA-listed:
http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/ecfvg12.pdf

The curricula for some of the overseas schools I looked into looked great and challenging. I spent a semester abroad as an undergraduate in Ecuador. I think it would be an amazing experience to study abroad as a vet student. I hope that helps! 🙂
 
Thanks so much to both of you, the links you provided are SUPER helpful! Glad I saw Jeff's post about St.Georges!
 
Hello,
I'm new to the forum, so I don't know if this question has been addressed, but after some reading and talking to people it sounds as if getting into Vet schools outside of the U.S. is "easier"? Is this true? If you go to a vet school outside the U.S., can you still be a practicing DVM in the states? Also, what are some of the better oversea's schools? Do students who are unable to get into a Vet school in the U.S. typically get into an oversea's school?
Thanks so much, in advance!

I'm a graduate of an overseas school - the University of Glasgow (Scotland, UK). It is an AVMA accredited school. I graduated in 2006. I have a different degree (BVMS) than DVM or VMD. But I am still called "doctor" in the USA.

I did NOT apply to overseas schools because I couldn't get into US schools. I *never* applied to US schools. I went overseas for the life experience and adventure. I do not regret it one bit, though it was expensive.
 
There are eight AVMA accredited foreign schools at the moment. Seven of them are located in English speaking countries. You can find the list here: http://www.avma.org/education/cvea/colleges_accredited/foreign.asp The websites for the schools is also listed on that page.

I am in my first semester at Murdoch University and couldn't be happier with my decision. It is "easier" to get into some of the accredited foreign schools. I say easier in quotes because it is still competitive. At Murdoch, for instance, (up until now) the majority of incoming Aussie students were school leavers. In other words right out of high school. When you compare a North American applicant that has a BA or BS, years of experience in a clinic, LORs from vets, and is a bit more mature to the other applicants we look great. I have a feeling one's LOR, essay, and experience carry more weight in comparison to GPA here because they can take those things as a measure of commitment to the profession.

Murdoch is changing their process for incoming Aussies to require at least one year of college before matriculation. North American applicants are not actually competing for spots with Aussies students; there are two different applicant pools, however, the way the system was originally set does influence the current criteria for application.

Also, not as many people apply to foreign school yet, smaller applicant pool = better chances. I've found that the caliber of North American students here is NOT lower than one would find in a US school. Rather, those people who have horrid GRE scores or not a so great GPA that would have spent the time an money on 2-3-5 application cycles to eventually get into a US or Canadian school can get in here. Like I said earlier, it is still competitive. There are 30 odd spots for international students every year at Murdoch. The year I applied (2006) there were just over 300 applicants. That number includes other internationals. The mix in my class seems to be about 20 North Americans and 10 other internationals.

Some other things that always seem to come up:

You can receive federal financial aid if you attend an AVMA accredited school. This is not always the case at non-accredited schools.

This is not true for everyone, or every school, but I am spending less overall coming here than I would have to go to a US school.

Your spouse or defacto spouse can come with you and work. Defacto's must have shared a household and bills for at least 1 year. They can work as much as you can work in Oz, 20 hrs per week during school, 40 hrs on breaks. They can also apply for their own visa and get a full working visa that does not have an hourly restriction. There are jobs for you and your family in Australia. I cannot speak for other foreign schools on that one.

You can bring your pets. It's expensive and time consuming but it can be done and a large percentage of my class are doing it.

You do not graduate with a DVM or VMD. Because the intake for most foreign school is right after high school this is considered a bachelor's program. This part is really odd, and some people have a really hard time with it. However it really doesn't mean anything in the long run. The letters after your name will be different, yes, but it does not affect how or where or under what circumstances you practice medicine. You can still be called Doctor, you can still practice veterinary medicine just like any of your North American colleagues.

For me going to a Caribbean school just wasn't worth it since I had other options. it wasn't worth the hassle and money of the extra exams. It wasn't worth the extra cost of attendance and not getting federal financial aid. It wasn't worth my SO not being able to find a job in his field.

For everyone thinking about going abroad for Vet school: Please Please Please do all of your research. It takes an awful lot of commitment to pack everything up and move to another country and start a rigorous program. There are lots of options if you decide it is for you.
 
Melbourne University is also AVMA accredited and in 2010 they are changing their BVSc degree to a DVM.
 
Melbourne University is also AVMA accredited and in 2010 they are changing their BVSc degree to a DVM.

Does that mean classes of 2008-2012 (2013? is it five year?) are going to be given a DVM? Or classes that start in 2010-2014 are going to be the first to receive a DVM?
 
Does that mean classes of 2008-2012 (2013? is it five year?) are going to be given a DVM? Or classes that start in 2010-2014 are going to be the first to receive a DVM?

New North American structured programs at Melbourne University.

New 4-year DDS program (Melbourne is planning on having CODA coming out to accredit the new program sometime between now and 2010).

New 4-year MD program

New 3-year JD program

Also.. Melbourne's vet program (which is already accredited in the US and Canada) will be changing from the current 5-year BVSc course to a 4-year DVM degree. (North American accreditation will be retained).

They will be taking applications in 2010 for entry in Jan of 2011 to graduate first DVM students by Dec. 2014 I believe, but email the faculty to be sure.

👍
 
I just wanted to put in my 2 cents and say that I am starting Glasgow here soon. I'm currently traveling Scotland and am at the moment writing from a hotel in Oban, Scotland (lovely town by the way).
I wanted to say that I turned down an interview at my in-state instituation to go to Glasgow, so it's certianly a great option.
I have some aquantances at other foreign schools who feel equally as enthusiastic about their schools and are quite pleased with the education they are gaining.
I don't think they're necissarily easier to get into, it's just that the AVMA foreign schools were previously less known. However, the US students are starting to gain awareness of them and apply to them a bit more than previously from what I understand. For example if you do a look through past posts on this forum you see a huge increase of questions asked about foreign schools and stories from students from there.
That's about all I have to say in regards to your questions HyPrice, I think everything else was well explained. Just wanted to add an extra story to the list.
Goodluck.
 
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