Schools that one probably shouldn't apply to (mostly in-state, feeders, etc.)?

[mirimonster]

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The UC's are actually pretty OOS friendly. The fact that they're 80/20 is more self-selection than anything else. USC-Keck has absolutely no in-state preference.

 

[mirimonster]

83% In-state

The pure % doesn't necessarily mean that a school isn't OOS friendly. It can represent self-selection. A few of the UC's actually state on their admissions websites no in-state preference, but they're still 80% IS because there are simply so many more CA applicants than OOS ones.

The way to determine bias is to compare IS acceptance rate (#accepted/#applied) vs OOS acceptance rate. If there's a huge discrepancy, it's not friendly.

 

[nysegop]

The UC's are actually pretty OOS friendly. The fact that they're 80/20 is more self-selection than anything else. USC-Keck has absolutely no in-state preference.

God I would love to go to school in California.

 

[mcloaf]

The pure % doesn't necessarily mean that a school isn't OOS friendly. It can represent self-selection. A few of the UC's actually state on their admissions websites no in-state preference, but they're still 80% IS because there are simply so many more CA applicants than OOS ones.

The way to determine bias is to compare IS acceptance rate (#accepted/#applied) vs OOS acceptance rate. If there's a huge discrepancy, it's not friendly.

Yeah, definitely IS bias for UCSF. UCLA says they don't care, but doing the calculations you suggest shows otherwise; though you can't rule out that perhaps their IS applicant pool is simply more competitive than OOS.

 

[mirimonster]

Yeah, definitely IS bias for UCSF. UCLA says they don't care, but doing the calculations you suggest shows otherwise; though you can't rule out that perhaps their IS applicant pool is simply more competitive than OOS.

Yeah I think UCLA was the one I was thinking of. I already sold my old hard copy MSAR, so I'm going completely off of memory here. Thanks for doing the calcs! So Cali schools not particularly friendly, but I still think it's worth an application if you're competitive and it's your dream.

 

[jce0002]

https://www.amherst.edu/campuslife/careers/students/gradstudy/health/guide/part2/appendix

I found this to be a pretty useful list. A 1.00 on the right column indicates that OOS and IS have the same chance of getting in. Keep in mind that some accepted OOS students are from neighboring states to the med school, and thus were sort of treated like IS students.

 

[mcloaf]

https://www.amherst.edu/campuslife/careers/students/gradstudy/health/guide/part2/appendix

I found this to be a pretty useful list. A 1.00 on the right column indicates that OOS and IS have the same chance of getting in. Keep in mind that some accepted OOS students are from neighboring states to the med school, and thus were sort of treated like IS students.

Great find, that should be a sticky.

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[SilentSoldier]

I always thought the SUNYs were OOS friendly considering the amount of Cali folk I see getting interviewed and whatnot.

 

[nysegop]

How come some schools have 0% OOS applicants? They just don't allow OOS people to apply at all?

BTW. What's up with Mercer? It's private but 100% in-state. It favors in-state more than U of Georgia.

 

[byaaaaaaah23]

Keep in mind that this data is from the 2006-2007 MSAR, which is extremely outdated at this point. But this info is probably a good starting point, just be sure to do more up to date research with the recent MSAR. UC Irvine in particular sticks out to me as a school that might need updated data (has a value of 0.00).

 

[sazerac]

How come some schools have 0% OOS applicants? They just don't allow OOS people to apply at all?

BTW. What's up with Mercer? It's private but 100% in-state. It favors in-state more than U of Georgia.

At North Dakota, you had to apply for an application, and if you weren't in state (or in region) they would not even mail you the real application.

 

[Govols13]

I am a little confused when looking at the IS vs OOS statistics for schools participating in WICHE.

Do they consider the MT/WY applicants as IS or OOS when looking at # of applications/acceptances/matriculants?

It seems that the OOS statistics could be inflated if the MT/WY residents are classified as OOS even though they are given IS preferences during the application.

 

[nysegop]

At North Dakota, you had to apply for an application, and if you weren't in state (or in region) they would not even mail you the real application.

Application for an application? Jesus...

 

[sazerac]

Application for an application? Jesus...

It was actually quite handy. If you didn't qualify you never had to pay for the real application. Unlike the schools that take your secondary and reject you as soon as the check clears.

I heard North Dakota is AMCAS now, so none of this applies anymore.

 

[rueby25]

Marshall only accepts apps from students from WV or with strong ties to WV.

 

[Govols13]

Would currently living in a state have an influence on their state med school (but legally being a resident of another state)?

 

[BABSstudent]

Would currently living in a state have an influence on their state med school (but legally being a resident of another state)?

Possibly, but how would they know you were currently living there? This is something you would have to write about in a secondary and would count as ties to a state.

 

[SilverCat]

South Dakota works similar to North Dakota. They don't send a secondary unless they determine you have in- state ties. Even after going to high school in state, having family in state, they told me the reason they rejected me post- interview was because 'it didn't seem like I wanted to practice in South Dakota.' So even with in- state ties, you aren't necessarily a shoe- in.

 

[Govols13]

Possibly, but how would they know you were currently living there? This is something you would have to write about in a secondary and would count as ties to a state.

I would definitely address it in a secondary, but what about the primary? Both of my preferred/permanent addresses are in that state, would they be able to see that and consider it?

 

[BABSstudent]

I would definitely address it in a secondary, but what about the primary? Both of my preferred/permanent addresses are in that state, would they be able to see that and consider it?

Your mailing address and permanent address (the one used for residency) is listed on the first page.

The important stuff on the application starts about on page 7 and goes until page 15. I imagine this is where the majority of the time spent reviewing applications occurs.

I would think it could be easy to overlook the address, but I have no experience reviewing applications. I would image that the reviewers would check it out. But, just in case they skip it, mentioning it in the secondary would be best.

 

[Govols13]

Your mailing address and permanent address (the one used for residency) is listed on the first page.

The important stuff on the application starts about on page 7 and goes until page 15. I imagine this is where the majority of the time spent reviewing applications occurs.

I would think it could be easy to overlook the address, but I have no experience reviewing applications. I would image that the reviewers would check it out. But, just in case they skip it, mentioning it in the secondary would be best.

Maybe LizzyM can chime in on this...

 

[LizzyM]

Your mailing address and permanent address (the one used for residency) is listed on the first page.

The important stuff on the application starts about on page 7 and goes until page 15. I imagine this is where the majority of the time spent reviewing applications occurs.

I would think it could be easy to overlook the address, but I have no experience reviewing applications. I would image that the reviewers would check it out. But, just in case they skip it, mentioning it in the secondary would be best.

The application is entirely electronic and we can pull fields of interest (such as MCAT score or state of residence) and display it on a cover sheet before we even open the AMCAS application. States vary in the way they count "residency" and where you attend college doesn't always count as a state of residence. It is all pretty complicated but suffice to say that it is very easy for adcoms to see your preferred address and your permanent address, etc.

 

[Dbate]

The application is entirely electronic and we can pull fields of interest (such as MCAT score or state of residence) and display it on a cover sheet before we even open the AMCAS application. States vary in the way they count "residency" and where you attend college doesn't always count as a state of residence. It is all pretty complicated but suffice to say that it is very easy for adcoms to see your preferred address and your permanent address, etc.

This is not necessarily related (i.e. not related at all, sorry for the derailment), but in another thread you mention that schools consider the rigor of your undergrad institution when interpreting an applicants grades.

I wanted to ask how applicants should use this knowledge when compiling a list of schools to apply to. If they go to a tough school like Swarthmore, should they be more inclined to send an app to a school with a GPA say about .1 above their own?

 

[amfvm]

Brown really shouldn't be on that list. It's not that they mostly accept students who did Brown undergrad, it's that about 50% of the class comes in through the Brown PLME program. The other 50% are accepted through normal means.

 

[whatbout2morrow]

I'll also add that if you consider yourself pretty competative, any of the Texas schools (save UTSW and Baylor) would be worth applying to as the OOS acceptances seem to be largly a stats-only game. Its a modality of boosing admission stats. Additionally, most of them will give scholarship money to make up the difference between IS and OOS tuition (15000 vs 25000).

I agree with this. If you have the stats, Texas schools are worth applying to. Even if you don't get a scholarship, the OOS tuition of Texas schools is comparable to the IS tuition of most schools in other states. Cost of living is lower compared to other states as well.

 

[Derv]

You already have MUSC and USC on your list, but there is a third Med school in South Carolina which is heavily in state biased. It is USC-Greenville, which is one of the newer schools in the country (think the entering class is their second).

 

[rudziutki]

Brown really shouldn't be on that list. It's not that they mostly accept students who did Brown undergrad, it's that about 50% of the class comes in through the Brown PLME program. The other 50% are accepted through normal means.

Read before on SDN that they have a very strong preference for Ivies and post-bac students.

 

[Govols13]

The application is entirely electronic and we can pull fields of interest (such as MCAT score or state of residence) and display it on a cover sheet before we even open the AMCAS application. States vary in the way they count "residency" and where you attend college doesn't always count as a state of residence. It is all pretty complicated but suffice to say that it is very easy for adcoms to see your preferred address and your permanent address, etc.

Thank you for your input. This makes me feel a little better about applying to the state school that I currently live in, which is normally not OOS-friendly

 

[singergirl18]

For a school where you are OOS on this list, how would you go about trying to separate yourself so that you do not look like you are just fishing for a random acceptance? For example, I will be getting engaged/ married soon, and we are looking at the Kentucky area because that is where my boyfriend lives (Louisville). Unfortunately, I'm sure saying that my possible significant other lives here is not a very impressive reason. We love Louisville and really want to live there for at least a while. We are both from Chicago. I will, of course, be applying to all the Chicago schools too.

Would a 3.95 science gpa with a 33 mcat and EXTENSIVE clinical experience be enough to be considered by Kentucky or Louisville?

 

[kyamh]

They definitely used to do this. Not sure if it's still the policy.
If you look online there's an admissions chat from around 2007ish where the admissions director puts the numbers around 3.8+/38+ for OOS and 3.75/36+ IS, IIRC.

I don't think it's a policy any more, or at least not those exact numbers. Despite higher stats I didn't get an interview until several months after my application was in while some SDNers with lower stats got interviews really quickly.