Schools to aim for with low stats

[von Matterhorn]

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While I have the ball rolling on secondaries, I just want to make sure I'm not overlooking any schools that I should be looking at with my low stats (3.5c/3.6s, 28R). Holding off on DO schools until the second application round if I'm not fortunate enough to get in this time. Schools I've applied to so far:


Albany Medical College

Creighton University

Drexel University

Eastern Virginia

Medical College of Wisconsin

New York Medical College

Rosalind Franklin

Rush Medical College

Saint Louis University

The University of Toledo

University of Arizona Phoenix

University of Arizona Tucson

University of Iowa

University of Kansas

University of Louisville

University of Minnesota TC

University of Minnesota Duluth

University of Wisconsin - Madison

USF Health Morsani

Virginia Commonwealth

Wayne State

Wright State


MN resident. Thanks for any info

 

[Doctor Strange]

Urm?

 

[plumhill]

Northeast Ohio Medical University (it does favor in-state applicants, but not nearly as much as other state schools)

 

[circulus vitios]

Wayne State is

1) In Detroit
2) $90k/year+ COA for OOS
3) ~15% OOS
4) In Detroit

 

[von Matterhorn]

Wayne State is

1) In Detroit
2) $90k/year+ COA for OOS
3) ~15% OOS
4) In Detroit

Yeah, that's a bitch, but I do like the school. 90k/year is worth the cost of an MD for me.

And no, not a URM. White, upper middle-class as my friend kindly pointed out to me today

 

[von Matterhorn]

Northeast Ohio Medical University (it does favor in-state applicants, but not nearly as much as other state schools)

According to the MSAR they took 8 OOS applicants out of a total class of 127. 🙁

Thanks for the heads up, though

 

[LauraJo08]

just go talk to Ted, he'll give you sound advice.

 

[FattySlug]

Wayne State is

1) In Detroit
2) $90k/year+ COA for OOS
3) ~15% OOS
4) In Detroit

What justification do they have for such outlandish tuition? I am shocked.

 

[moneytree]

Holding off on DO schools until the second application round if I'm not fortunate enough to get in this time.

This seems to be a pretty common mentality that makes no sense. Why not apply to 2 or 3 DO schools this cycle as "safety" schools? Why wait? You'd be very competitive for any DO school.

 

[TheWeeIceMan]

This seems to be a pretty common mentality that makes no sense. Why not apply to 2 or 3 DO schools this cycle as "safety" schools? Why wait? You'd be very competitive for any DO school.

While I do agree with you, if he really doesn't want to apply DO, it's probably for the best. This is basically how the "I only got into a DO school. Should I re-apply to MD next cycle?" threads start.

 

[Gnomo]

Yeah, that's a bitch, but I do like the school. 90k/year is worth the cost of an MD for me.

And no, not a URM. White, upper middle-class as my friend kindly pointed out to me today

You could graduate with about $100,000 less debt if you went to a typical DO school (VCOM-Carolinas COA: $70,000) instead.

 

[AestheticGod]

This seems to be a pretty common mentality that makes no sense. Why not apply to 2 or 3 DO schools this cycle as "safety" schools? Why wait? You'd be very competitive for any DO school.

If he doesn't plan on going to DO school, he might as well spend the money on applying to more medical schools, right?

 

[von Matterhorn]

This seems to be a pretty common mentality that makes no sense. Why not apply to 2 or 3 DO schools this cycle as "safety" schools? Why wait? You'd be very competitive for any DO school.

I'd rather not take the seat from someone who would actually appreciate getting into a DO school. Even if I don't get in this year, I'll likely just retake the MCAT with actual prep this time and go back for a second round at MD schools

 

[collegestud2013]

What justification do they have for such outlandish tuition? I am shocked.

At least that $90k is the total cost of attendance, not just tuition. I think a really extreme example would be Southern Illinois, where just tuition alone is $82k for OOS. That makes a COA of over $100k every year😱

 

[Procyon]

How about George Washington?

 

[Narmerguy]

Moving to WAMC.

 

[von Matterhorn]

How about George Washington?

Haha, not happening unfortunately

 

[Goro]

Suggest eliminating the state schools except for MN and possibly those in states bordering MN.

While I have the ball rolling on secondaries, I just want to make sure I'm not overlooking any schools that I should be looking at with my low stats (3.5c/3.6s, 28R). Holding off on DO schools until the second application round if I'm not fortunate enough to get in this time. Schools I've applied to so far:


Albany Medical College

Creighton University

Drexel University

Eastern Virginia

Medical College of Wisconsin

New York Medical College

Rosalind Franklin

Rush Medical College

Saint Louis University

The University of Toledo

University of Arizona Phoenix

University of Arizona Tucson

University of Iowa

University of Kansas

University of Louisville

University of Minnesota TC

University of Minnesota Duluth

University of Wisconsin - Madison

USF Health Morsani

Virginia Commonwealth

Wayne State

Wright State


MN resident. Thanks for any info

 

[1289]

UW? oos? w a 28, doubtful. where'd you do undergrad?

also Rush interviews <2% OOS applicants, according to msar.

 

[circulus vitios]

UW? oos? w a 28, doubtful. where'd you do undergrad?

also Rush interviews <2% OOS applicants, according to msar.

Why is that a useful metric? 42% of their incoming class is OOS. According to US News, they also accept ~62% of OOSers who interview.

 

[jhuskp]

I don't know why Rosalind Franklin keeps showing up on everyone's low stats wish list. According to the MSAR, they only interview 4% OOS.

I would also cut USF- they only interview about 5% OOS.

 

[circulus vitios]

I don't know why Rosalind Franklin keeps showing up on everyone's low stats wish list. According to the MSAR, they only interview 4% OOS.

I would also cut USF- they only interview about 5% OOS.

Assuming this is a useful metric, how many lower-tier schools are there that interview a significant amount of OOSers and have an incoming class with a significant amount of OOSers? Five, maybe ten schools?

 

[jhuskp]

Assuming this is a useful metric, how many lower-tier schools are there that interview a significant amount of OOSers and have an incoming class with a significant amount of OOSers? Five, maybe ten schools?

This is the problem. Either you have higher tier schools with a decent OOS acceptance, or you have lower tier schools which accept almost 94-95% IS.

 

[1289]

Why is that a useful metric? 42% of their incoming class is OOS. According to US News, they also accept ~62% of OOSers who interview.

It's a useful metric bc.so few interviews are offered to OOS... Regardless of what percentage of the class will eventually be made up of Oosers you have to first get an interview. Rush interviewed less than 200 OOSers out of 4000 some applicants... I think that is a useful statistic if you're not sure if you should apply there or not.

 

[circulus vitios]

It's a useful metric bc.so few interviews are offered to OOS... Regardless of what percentage of the class will eventually be made up of Oosers you have to first get an interview. Rush interviewed less than 200 OOSers out of 4000 some applicants... I think that is a useful statistic if you're not sure if you should apply there or not.

Jefferson: 21% OOS interviewed, 57% OOS
Temple: 27% OOS interviewed, 52% OOS
Drexel: 35% OOS interviewed, 64% OOS
NYMC: 13% OOS interviewed, 69% OOS

I can't find other lower-tier schools that have high % OOS interview rates. Most are ~10%.

I'd rather look at % OOS and % of OOS interviews offered an acceptance. You might be throwing your money away on primaries/secondaries, but you're looking for acceptances, right?

 

[1289]

Jefferson: 21% OOS interviewed, 57% OOS
Temple: 27% OOS interviewed, 52% OOS
Drexel: 35% OOS interviewed, 64% OOS
NYMC: 13% OOS interviewed, 69% OOS

I can't find other lower-tier schools that have high % OOS interview rates. Most are ~10%.

I'd rather look at % OOS and % of OOS interviews offered an acceptance. You might be throwing your money away on primaries/secondaries, but you're looking for acceptances, right?

look I dont care dude. just giving this guy some advice with statistics that I know, okay.

 

[von Matterhorn]

Definitely appreciate the advice, thanks all

 

[freshbagels]

4) Tulane should definitely be on the list.

With Tulane's new Dean (circa 2010), they are increasing their de facto minimum MCAT score to 30, and most applicants will be tossed if they apply with under a 32. Source: Dr. Beckman, associate Dean of Admissions and Tulane ad-com at Tulane SOM.

 

[Dynamo24]

With Tulane's new Dean (circa 2010), they are increasing their de facto minimum MCAT score to 30, and most applicants will be tossed if they apply with under a 32. Source: Dr. Beckman, associate Dean of Admissions and Tulane ad-com at Tulane SOM.

Really? That doesn't seem like a very smart business move (lets face it, these are businesses). So if you have amazing EC's, fantastic GPA (>3.8) with a 30-31 MCAT you are "most likely" tossed? I'm not sure I believe that. Sounds like he's spreading some fear there.

 

[freshbagels]

Really? That doesn't seem like a very smart business move (lets face it, these are businesses). So if you have amazing EC's, fantastic GPA (>3.8) with a 30-31 MCAT you are "most likely" tossed? I'm not sure I believe that. Sounds like he's spreading some fear there.

They are really prioritizing the MCAT recently, as they were slipping in rankings due to relatively lower admissions stats. Last year, their median was 32 and as I understand it, it will be higher this year. In the situation you describe, I think they'd be ok, but if your application isn't otherwise very good I'd maintain you should have at least a 32. With 10k+ applicants, they can be afford to be more selective.

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