Schools with very little/no PBL

[D and D]

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Hi guys did a search for this and could only find threads on which schools had PBL. I'd like to know which schools have almost no PBL, ie mainly just lectures. MSAR wasn't too helpful either... Thanks in advance!

 

[gonj]

<<< also needs to know

 

[saint1569]

<-- doesn't know what PBL means >.>

 

[twoinone]

PBL = Problem Based Learning

 

[D and D]

sorry🙂 PBL = problem-based learning

 

[urrugby]

GWU, all lectures

 

[Myuu]

<-- doesn't know what PBL means >.>

Problem-based learning. Lots of small-group work supplemented by lectures rather than the other way around.👍

 

[saint1569]

OOOOOHHHHHH I see now.

Now I really want to know the OP question too ^.^

Thanks everyone.

 

[Myuu]

OOOOOHHHHHH I see now.

Now I really want to know the OP question too ^.^

Thanks everyone.

It's not as scary as it sounds!🙂

 

[D and D]

In theory it all sounds good, but from what I've heard multiple times it doesn't always turn out as peachy 🙂

I also just finished a course that was very PBL-like and I absolutely hated it. Although lectures aren't the best, most of the time they're optional 😀

 

[DrJD]

Seems like most aren't PBL, with some incorporating some into the lecture style, and then a few that are all PBL...

 

[Captain Fantastic]

80% of the 125 U.S. Medical Schools have some form of PBL in their curriculum. Only about 25 have what is considered a true PBL curriculum.

So what does that mean, Many say the do PBL, but only a handful to true PBL? It means that PBL can have very different implementations at different schools. When you hear someone loving PBL, what kind of PBL? When you hear someone hating PBL, what kind of PBL?

Or just find a school that has a perfectly perserved curriculum from the 1950's and don't worry about the whole PBL thing. 😉

 

[johncalvin]

PBL's may create great "thinking" physicians, but traditional-curricula will prepare you best for the USMLEs.

Think of it this way.:
If you're a pre-med, would you rather have a major that prepares you for medical school, or a major that vastly improves your chances of getting a high MCAT (and thus getting into medical school)?

 

[Captain Fantastic]

PBL's may create great "thinking" physicians, but traditional-curricula will prepare you best for the USMLEs.

Think of it this way.:
If you're a pre-med, would you rather have a major that prepares you for medical school, or a major that vastly improves your chances of getting a high MCAT (and thus getting into medical school)?

Eh, I don't think there is data to support this. In fact, I can show you published studies that show switching from a traditional to PBL curriculum significantly raised board scores.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

I hate any and all forms of PBL. Now and forever.

 

[D and D]

any other schools besides GWU?

 

[MilkmanAl]

Couldn't you just use your search for schools that use PBL extensively and exclude them? It's going to be difficult to find schools that have no PBL whatsoever, but most of them are mainly lecture-oriented, I think.

 

[Podalarius]

Pritzker has added a little, but their curriculum is almost entirely lecture based.

 

[ar2388]

columbia p&s is very lecture heavy 🙂

 

[D and D]

Thanks! I'm mostly looking @ schools on the East Coast, although I'm pretty sure Columbia is a long shot for me🙂

 

[DrJD]

Thanks! I'm mostly looking @ schools on the East Coast, although I'm pretty sure Columbia is a long shot for me🙂

Georgetown has very little PBL... There will be a session or two per module.

 

[DrJD]

Couldn't you just use your search for schools that use PBL extensively and exclude them? It's going to be difficult to find schools that have no PBL whatsoever, but most of them are mainly lecture-oriented, I think.

Milkman is right though, this is the best way to do it.

 

[ButImLETired]

In my experience, the vast majority of schools have at least a little bit (I know Vandy has a bit, and I think Sinai had a bit too) but they're pretty minor additions to the curriculum. I actually don't know that I'd want to go to a school that has NONE- at some point, PBL was THE new pedagogical tool and I think the schools that didn't adopt it at all were just not that interested in improving their teaching styles- you don't want to go somewhere that's stuck in the 60s and unwilling to change, either.

 

[D and D]

In my experience, the vast majority of schools have at least a little bit (I know Vandy has a bit, and I think Sinai had a bit too) but they're pretty minor additions to the curriculum. I actually don't know that I'd want to go to a school that has NONE- at some point, PBL was THE new pedagogical tool and I think the schools that didn't adopt it at all were just not that interested in improving their teaching styles- you don't want to go somewhere that's stuck in the 60s and unwilling to change, either.

Thanks I definitely agree w/you. A little PBL never killed anyone😀