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Does it significantly help ECs? Or only first author publications help?
yes it should help, what journal is it btw
A no name journal (world journal of microbiology and biotechnology)
Still help? Haha
i disagree with the above post, the impact factor of that journal, from a quick search on google, is <0.5...sorry to say, this publication may even hurt you..
i disagree with the above post, the impact factor of that journal, from a quick search on google, is <0.5...sorry to say, this publication may even hurt you..
there's no way in hell it could hurt you. that's a ridiculous statement.
You haven't even started college yet have you?
Come on man, "it might even hurt you.."?
What's that all about? Do you know anything about the research process yet? Seriously.
You haven't even started college yet have you?
Come on man, "it might even hurt you.."?
What's that all about? Do you know anything about the research process yet? Seriously.
i disagree with the above post, the impact factor of that journal, from a quick search on google, is <0.5...sorry to say, this publication may even hurt you..
Just curious, what's a decent/good impact factor?
i disagree with the above post, the impact factor of that journal, from a quick search on google, is <0.5...sorry to say, this publication may even hurt you..
Wrong. Most undergraduates never publish. It doesn't matter what impact factor the journal is. The mere fact that as an undergraduate you published, is something that will help you. It definitely will not hurt you.
Just curious, what's a decent/good impact factor?
Does it significantly help ECs? Or only first author publications help?
What a tool. How the hell would you have tons of a pubs if you are a rising freshmen?? That doesn't even make sense. you will fast learn that clinical experience matters more then rsearch unless your goal is to be an academic physician. You will fast learn that it doesn't matter what kinda pubs you have if you don't have personality, don't have a GPA/MCAT that matters, don't have things to distinguish you beyond cookie cutter things.
there's no way in hell it could hurt you. that's a ridiculous statement.
i disagree with the above post, the impact factor of that journal, from a quick search on google, is <0.5...sorry to say, this publication may even hurt you..
How many Nature/Cell publications do you have?
Sach man, lay off. Are you serious? He is undoubtedly the editor in chief of Nature. C'mon now. 🙂
Sach man, lay off. Are you serious? He is undoubtedly the editor in chief of Nature. C'mon now. 🙂
i disagree with the above post, the impact factor of that journal, from a quick search on google, is <0.5...sorry to say, this publication may even hurt you..
Yay for advisors who chime in! Publications will follow you through your career and that's a rare and helpful thing. You're right, OP! A good start indeed!Absolutely! If you are planning on pursuing a relatively competitive residency or fellowship, then having this type of publishing experience is invaluable.
i may just be a rising freshman, but i have had extensive research experience..if there's one thing that's worse than not getting a paper, its publishing a paper in a bad journal. Trust me. I would have had many more papers had my PI not taught me this valuable lesson early on. Generally speaking, IF~2 is respectable enough. Bad papers stay with you forever, and they are extremely detrimental for your name.
the hostility on these forums boggles me...how can none of you understand what the point of peer review is? its to maintain research quality/integrity...and sadly these days, some journals don't even try to uphold any type of standard. This is why impact factor is so important: it is directly related to number of citations. People only cite from journals where they know the research is A) interesting and more importantly B) is LEGIT.
I could make a journal right now and claim that i am the editor. I would be unique, right? Yeah, that's an extreme case..but the same basic principle applies. In these lower journals, i would wager that half the papers are complete BS; and this is evident by the complete lack of care in the "peer-reviewers". How do i know this? My mentor was a peer reviewer for many years for a lower-tier journal; guess how much time he spent on his reviews? ~2 mins per paper, because he simply didn't care.
Im sorry that you think im a "troll", but I guess saying anything against the grain here is to be condemned.
to respond briefly to LAman: i am first author of a paper currently that i plan to submit to nature: chemistry. I guess i must have picked up a lot of materials off the ground or something.
We are talking about undergraduate student publishing. Not a MD, a PhD, or even a medical student. Undergraduate student.
the hostility on these forums boggles me...how can none of you understand what the point of peer review is? its to maintain research quality/integrity...and sadly these days, some journals don't even try to uphold any type of standard. This is why impact factor is so important: it is directly related to number of citations. People only cite from journals where they know the research is A) interesting and more importantly B) is LEGIT.
I could make a journal right now and claim that i am the editor. I would be unique, right? Yeah, that's an extreme case..but the same basic principle applies. In these lower journals, i would wager that half the papers are complete BS; and this is evident by the complete lack of care in the "peer-reviewers". How do i know this? My mentor was a peer reviewer for many years for a lower-tier journal; guess how much time he spent on his reviews? ~2 mins per paper, because he simply didn't care.
Im sorry that you think im a "troll", but I guess saying anything against the grain here is to be condemned.
to respond briefly to LAman: i am first author of a paper currently that i plan to submit to nature: chemistry. I guess i must have picked up a lot of materials off the ground or something.
We are talking about undergraduate student publishing. Not a MD, a PhD, or even a medical student. Undergraduate student.
unitofpain, congrats on your Nature Chemistry submission. At such an early age you will have a good research career in the future. However, the OP here is simply applying for MD programs where any research will help him get in.
To the others, unitofpain is absolutely right about impact factor. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can "PUBLISH." Of course, what is implied in those quotes is that unlike men, all publications are not created equal, hence impact factors.
OP, if you did this just to get into med school, GREAT. DEFINITELY LIST IT. But I would not try to play it off as a huge part of your application, which you have not suggested and probably will not do so anyways.
As a side note to unitofpain, does your PI not think it will hurt your chances of getting accepted with you, someone without a college degree, as first author? The reason for this is before peer-review for Nature you have to get past the people who actually send your paper to review or decide to reject it outright. They will do background checks on you and find out you do not have a degree beyond high school. What impact do you think this will have on your chances at publication?
Nobody is arguing against the impact factor of journals as suggested by unitofpain. But, to say that having a publication in a low impact journal will hurt....is ridiculous.
the hostility on these forums boggles me...how can none of you understand what the point of peer review is? its to maintain research quality/integrity...and sadly these days, some journals don't even try to uphold any type of standard. This is why impact factor is so important: it is directly related to number of citations. People only cite from journals where they know the research is A) interesting and more importantly B) is LEGIT.
I could make a journal right now and claim that i am the editor. I would be unique, right? Yeah, that's an extreme case..but the same basic principle applies. In these lower journals, i would wager that half the papers are complete BS; and this is evident by the complete lack of care in the "peer-reviewers". How do i know this? My mentor was a peer reviewer for many years for a lower-tier journal; guess how much time he spent on his reviews? ~2 mins per paper, because he simply didn't care.
Im sorry that you think im a "troll", but I guess saying anything against the grain here is to be condemned.
to respond briefly to LAman: i am first author of a paper currently that i plan to submit to nature: chemistry. I guess i must have picked up a lot of materials off the ground or something.
Again, no one is arguing that IF means nothing. Of course IF defines the value of a journal, that's obviously why the IF is calculated and presented.
But note the context of the situation. A student trying to get into medical school does not need to have a publication in a high IF journal. How do I know this? Because thousands of students are accepted to medical school each year without even having a publication. Hell, kids get in even with little to no research.
I can't speak for others, but the reason I took a shot at you (or as you would say, condemned) was because of your attitude. The more humble you present yourself (and I see an improvement with your latest post, good job), the more normalcy you'll find in other SDN responses.
Good luck with your Nature publication - it won't be easy to first author without at least a college degree. But in the event you are successful, congratulations.
And to whoever said they are a student applying to medical school so they know anything and everything about the process - hilarious![]()
the hostility on these forums boggles me...how can none of you understand what the point of peer review is? its to maintain research quality/integrity...and sadly these days, some journals don't even try to uphold any type of standard. This is why impact factor is so important: it is directly related to number of citations. People only cite from journals where they know the research is A) interesting and more importantly B) is LEGIT.
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You are mostly wrong about this. Most journals have a particular focus/scope, and they are tiered accordingly. Nature/Cell/Science and other "top" journals will publish most anything cutting edge. Circ research, on the other hand, is a top journal, but they have a narrower scope for what they accept, so as a consequence their impact factor is lower. Impact factors have flaws, and the more specialized the journal, obviously the lower its IF will be. That doesn't mean it is bad quality though.
In my experiences in research, most journals take the peer-review process seriously, and it's not uncommon to be rejected outright by a low IF journal. Are there a lot of politics involved? Yes. Is there some BS research out there? Yeah. But don't think an unethical person who is desperate to publish in Nature won't fabricate the raw data to his/her benefit just so Nature will accept the work. The real embarassment is when the result is not reproducible.
And to the OP, great job with the publication.
to respond briefly to LAman: i am first author of a paper currently that i plan to submit to nature: chemistry. I guess i must have picked up a lot of materials off the ground or something.