Seeking counseling, is it really OK?

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I am a graduating resident in a rather high-stress / highly sued field. There has been a death in my family, which has affected me deeply. I want to seek counseling, but I really don't want to do anything to jeopardize my career. I'm concerned that having a "record" could affect me adversely down the line. What are some repercussions to seeking counseling?

Of note, I'm not responsible for any clinical duty for at least another month or so. Moreover, working actually keeps my mind off things. So I am not seeking counseling because I think my grief would affect my judgment as a physician.

Should I just wait and see?
 
Whether you should wait and see is up to you.

However, in regards to a "record": as I understand it, many physicians that seek counseling do so by paying cash and do not run it through their insurance, thereby reducing the paper trail which can be discoverable. I think the risks to your career is very minimal in this type of situation and I frankly wouldn't be too worried about it.

I would not avoid seeking help for reasons related to your career; counseling for grief is perfectly reasonable, making a mistake at work because you avoided treatment despite recognizing a problem is not.
 
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Unfortunately, I am too poor to pay out of pocket. I do want to avoid running into psych residents too if I could.
 
Get a credit card and seek counseling outside where u work

when i read about these type of clinics i got the impression it was not as confidential as seeing a doc on your own
 
Unfortunately, I am too poor to pay out of pocket. I do want to avoid running into psych residents too if I could.
I understand. You definitely don't want to have any treatment where you might run into someone from your program. Every community of decent size has low cost services which might be available to you.
 
If you'd like help in identifying talk therapists in your area, let me know and I'll show you how to search them out and what they mean. I won't be able to recommend anyone specifically, but you get the picture...
 
The "risk" here is very small. What exactly are you worried about? Getting some counseling because of a life event isn't going to affect your licensing or credentialing. I agree it's better to get help outside of your usual work environment, simply to avoid confidentiality issues. There are a few states that seem ridiculous about this, but most are very reasonable. Plus, if you already have a license, that won't be an issue.
 
You are seeking help for grief counseling, not depression. you're honestly not even in the disease category yet, so it's not anything that would even have to be dealt with on licensing and job applications. most of that stuff is honestly concerned with substance abuse, if anything.
 
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Tread lightly with anything that may have psychiatric undertones.

It doesn't take much for someone to be blacklisted because of prior psychiatric evaluation, no matter how effective the interventions were nor how limited the illness was (as would be for adjustment disorder).

Keep it off the books and anonymous. Pay cash and give a fake name.
 
Tread lightly with anything that may have psychiatric undertones.

It doesn't take much for someone to be blacklisted because of prior psychiatric evaluation, no matter how effective the interventions were nor how limited the illness was (as would be for adjustment disorder).

Keep it off the books and anonymous. Pay cash and give a fake name.

There are crisis centers that use talk therapy over the phone that you can use. No cost and again, feel free to make up a name.
 
or see a counselor, not a psychiatrist. normal grief response is not pathologic and should not require meds. It's hard to be blacklisted for a mental illness if there isn't one.
 
Is there really such a big risk of running things through insurance? Many times therapists will just put down insurance codes for 'adjustment disorder'. Is adjustment disorder really considered to be some kind of mental illness that anyone is gravely concerned about to have any impact on licensing?
Yup. If you apply in Texas they are brutal. Speaking from experience.
 
I'm surprised that nobody has said "if you see a private psychiatrist and use your insurance, everything will be confidential and nobody will find out." I'm not experienced enough to make that statement with any level of certainty, but is it not true?
 
I'm surprised that nobody has said "if you see a private psychiatrist and use your insurance, everything will be confidential and nobody will find out." I'm not experienced enough to make that statement with any level of certainty, but is it not true?
No one has said that because its not true.

For example, when I applied for Disability Insurance, the underwriters obtained medical records from *years* ago, from physicians I didn't even remember seeing and for prescriptions I didn't recall filling. When your medical care is paid for by insurance, there exists a paper trail of billable visits, as well as for any prescriptions filled.

So while seeing a "private psychiatrist" (ie, outside of one's residency program) reduces the risk that you will be talked about "in the hallways", your records are still discoverable and obtainable, even if you don't list it on an application.
 
what about at school? my school has a student wellness program that is paid for by the school (no insurance information is given) with psychologists and psychiatrists but they definitely keep files and stuff, though they claim confidentiality... could that come back to haunt us?
 
what about at school? my school has a student wellness program that is paid for by the school (no insurance information is given) with psychologists and psychiatrists but they definitely keep files and stuff, though they claim confidentiality... could that come back to haunt us?

Excellent question.

Realize that there is a very large difference between confidentiality and anonymity. The former means that your identity is attached to that information, whereas the latter means it is not.

I would recommend against participating in any school-run program where they "keep files" about you. This kind of thing never helps.
 
I wonder if there'd be any market for psych residents to moonlight providing brief telepsych visits anonymously for less money than you'd pay to see an attending...
 
Pardon me if I am overstepping my bounds as a pre-med but how is this not a breach of HIPPA? I clicked this link because I was in the process of seeking counseling as I believe I have depression but now I am reluctant to do so.
 
Pardon me if I am overstepping my bounds as a pre-med but how is this not a breach of HIPPA? I clicked this link because I was in the process of seeking counseling as I believe I have depression but now I am reluctant to do so.

Licensing and credentialing authorities feel like they have a right to know about issues that might affect a physician's ability to provide patient care and create liability for them. I don't believe it constitutes a violation of HIPAA because, as the applicant for either licensure or hospital privileges, you would self-disclose the information. My experience in processing the paperwork was that if there was a "yes" answer to either a medical impairment or legal status question, the resident would write a complete explanation including documentation of medical clearance from their treating physician or the police report/adjudication documents (whichever applied). I had them seal these items in an envelope and write or sign their name across the seal to protect their privacy. Presumably, these were opened by the medical board/hospitals in question and the explanations were deemed acceptable because licenses and credentials were awarded without a fuss. The only exception was someone who gave a one-sentence explanation with no documentation. She had to be screened by a physician selected by the Board before they would give her the training license. It delayed her start by a week, but we kept the reason for the delay confidential within the program (as in only the resident, the PD and I knew).

So, bottom line, if you want to seek treatment please do so--your mental health is incredibly important! You may have to do a little extra paperwork but it's not an insurmountable obstacle. Since you're pre-med it may not even come up if you address issues now. Most Boards are only looking at a specific time window which can vary state-to-state.
 
Pardon me if I am overstepping my bounds as a pre-med but how is this not a breach of HIPPA? I clicked this link because I was in the process of seeking counseling as I believe I have depression but now I am reluctant to do so.

State medical boards can pretty much do whatever they want. And there are a bunch of HIPPA waivers/exceptions.
 
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Why would a bunch of physicians want to hurt other physicians for no reason?

Not all of the members of a medical board are physicians. Don't think of the doctors on state medical boards as physicians, think of them as agents of the state (most of whom are sincerely trying to protect the public).

Also, a lot of the work/investigations of medical boards is done by non-physician staff.
 
Why would a bunch of physicians want to hurt other physicians for no reason? Considering that around 40% of medical professionals have been diagnosed with depression or anxiety some time in their lives, I think it's just hypocrisy. Probably a good number of the medical board has the same health issues that they are hiding while simultaneously damaging the careers of other docs. It's just wrong.

The other side of the argument is the physician who gets an unrestricted license, ends up abusing substances of some sort, and then hurts patients. Or someone disciplined for sexual issues ends up offending again in the future. The medical boards feel they have a clear need to know about any history of trouble like this. Since many people "bury" such things in vague "Leave of Absence" terms, they feel they need to know everything.

In general, the courts have settled that boards can't ask vague questions like this. They can ask "Are you currently impaired by substances?", and I think they c
 
how is this not a breach of HIPPA?

I'm not sure how they legally get around it. My (very poor) understanding is that you have to self report, they will not call up local psych docs and say, hey have you ever treated this guy? If they catch you in a lie, my guess is they may bar you from licensure.

The real goal is to make sure you are capable of doing your job.

Example - The FAA prohibits issuing pilot's license to epileptics. While it seems justified, it also has the HIPPA breach you mention as you are being required to disclose health issues, and is probably a violation of the ADA. That said, I think it would withstand any legal challenges as it is in everyone's best interest.
 
There is no universal privacy law; this is a common misunderstanding of HIPAA.

HIPAA only applies to health care providers, health plans, and what HIPAA calls "health care clearinghouses", that is, those that transmit payment information electronically. It does not include employers, medical boards, the courts, or insurers. It is not a HIPAA violation when you authorize release of your medical information.

HIPAA has many exceptions to protected health information, including details that identify you. You don't have the right to object when your information is used for treatment, payment, or operations, including disclosures to business associates of your health care provider or plan.

The flow of your medical information is also beyond your control when the disclosure is made by a covered entity to or in connection with:

- disclosure required by federal, state, or local regulation,
- public health authorities/interests
- FDA
- DEA
- if you may have been exposed to a communicable disease
- an employer to conduct workplace medical surveillance or to evaluate whether you have a work-related illness or injury
- victims of abuse, neglect or domestic violence.
- in response to a court order, subpoena, or discovery request
- collection agency for unpaid medical bills.
- coroners and medical examiners.
- funeral directors.
- Organ procurement organizations.
- institutional review board approval.
- if you are a threat to public safety or public health; disclosure may be made to family members, employers, school admins, police, etc.
- U.S. and foreign military commanders.
- U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to determine eligibility for benefits
- U.S. Department of State to verify health fitness of employees and their families for foreign duty.
- Correctional institutions involved in health care of inmates.
- workers compensation uses authorized by state law.
- Law enforcement access is authorized in a number of ways under HIPAA. In some cases information may be disclosed without a warrant or court order.

HOWEVER, HIPAA does state that special requirements exist for psychotherapy notes. Psychotherapy notes should not be disclosed to others without your authorization. There are exceptions if the notes are used for such purposes as training staff or to defend the doctor or health plan in court. Interestingly, you can be denied access to your own records, including psychotherapy notes or information compiled for lawsuits. Your request can also be denied if the provider decides the information you want could reasonably endanger your life, your physical safety or that of another person.

So, bottom line is that you have to self-report and every application I've seen asks for your authorization to access your records, "do a background check" etc. I would imagine this is a condition of employment, licensing, credentialing, etc. and that failure to do so would raise sufficient red flags.
 
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