Selected for a oral presentation at an international research conference but not able to go

[JohnJacobJungler]

Hi,

As part of my research I did before I got accepted to medical school, I wrote up an abstract to an international conference as well as one in the states. My abstract was peer-reviewed, accepted and will be published in a special issue of a respectable journal. Needless to say I'm pretty pumped, as I am the first author. In an exciting development, I recently was told that I was selected to do an oral presentation on my research at said conference.

However, many moons ago before I matriculated, I asked my school to approve of me attending the conference (and another one in the states). My school said that I couldn't attend the international conference for a variety of reasons(due to the international travel, there is a test scheduled for that same time, etc), but allowed me to attend the conference in the states for another poster presentation on another part of my work. I should note that both conferences are at the same time and overlap with each other completely, so it is logistically impossible for me to choose both. My original plan was to attend the conference in the states and do my poster presentation, while my PI and second author (a post-doc who also has work that got accepted to the same international conference) attended the other one.

In light of this new oral presentation, how should I proceed? Should I try to ask for more time off to attend the international conference? What happens if someone else presents my work for me? How much better does an oral talk look than a poster presentation? What about for ERAS purposes?

Thanks for all your help

JJJ

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[ndafife]

1. Just because its international doesn't mean its better than one in the US. You aren't giving a whole lot of information about either so I can't give any information whether one conference is objectively better than the other
2. Oral presentation > Poster presentation in general, but that isn't a hard line. Poster presentation at a major national conference > oral presentation at your school's research day.
3. For ERAS: A) You do not count it as a poster presentation (or oral presentation) unless you were the one who presented the poster, regardless of whether you are listed as an author or not. If the poster is published as an abstract sent out by the conference, then you can list it as an abstract on ERAS whether you attended or not.

 

[Merely]

1. Just because its international doesn't mean its better than one in the US. You aren't giving a whole lot of information about either so I can't give any information whether one conference is objectively better than the other
2. Oral presentation > Poster presentation in general, but that isn't a hard line. Poster presentation at a major national conference > oral presentation at your school's research day.
3. For ERAS: A) You do not count it as a poster presentation (or oral presentation) unless you were the one who presented the poster, regardless of whether you are listed as an author or not. If the poster is published as an abstract sent out by the conference, then you can list it as an abstract on ERAS whether you attended or not.

If your research is presented at a conference, it counts as a presentation regardless of whether you personally presented it or not and as a result can be included on eras and ones cv

This is what I’ve been told by my research mentors

 

[evilbooyaa]

Yes - you list it as an presentation. You put yourself as the first author since you submitted it. You make a note that the oral presentation was given by the post-doc. You also put the project that you are presenting in the states. Hopefully they are not the exact same project with the same title.

 

[MSTP18]

3. For ERAS: A) You do not count it as a poster presentation (or oral presentation) unless you were the one who presented the poster, regardless of whether you are listed as an author or not. If the poster is published as an abstract sent out by the conference, then you can list it as an abstract on ERAS whether you attended or not.

That’s not correct. You can still list it. It is still your work being presented.

 

[ndafife]

That’s not correct. You can still list it. It is still your work being presented.

Its still not your presentation though. Which is why you list the abstract, not the presentation.

 

[MSTP18]

Its still not your presentation though. Which is why you list the abstract, not the presentation.

It was selected for a presentation. You didn't print the article and disseminate it. Do you not list your publications?

Also by your logic, PIs should never take credit for their work presented at conferences because it is almost never the PI who presents it.

 

[evilbooyaa]

Its still not your presentation though. Which is why you list the abstract, not the presentation.

Doesn't matter, you may not be the presenter, but if you submitted it and had it accepted for oral presentation, you're definitely the first author.

 

[MSTP18]

Doesn't matter, you may not be the presenter, but if you submitted it and had it accepted for oral presentation, you're definitely the first author.

This is also not true. Generally speaking the first author, being the one most involved, is the one submitting it, but there is no requirement that the first author be the one submitting it or that the one submitting it be the first author.

 

[ndafife]

Here is a good thread for people to work through: ERAS 'Publications' Listing FAQ

 

[MSTP18]

Here is a good thread for people to work through: ERAS 'Publications' Listing FAQ

Well I didn't follow his recommendations and unless that person works for ERAS/AAMC I would recommend people go with what every R01 funded research mentor has told me with regard to how to categorize my research accomplishments.

 

[evilbooyaa]

This is also not true. Generally speaking the first author, being the one most involved, is the one submitting it, but there is no requirement that the first author be the one submitting it or that the one submitting it be the first author.

OK, fair, but common things being common, the person submitting an abstract is the one who spent the most time working on it, in my experience. I agree that it is not a hard requirement.

 

[MSTP18]

OK, fair, but common things being common, the person submitting an abstract is the one who spent the most time working on it, in my experience. I agree that it is not a hard requirement.

Correct, in the overwhelming majority of cases it is the first author submitting. Sorry to play semantics but I've seen enough misinformation spread around on this site that I felt the need to clarify it's not "a rule." I can easily see some slimy pre-med/med student thinking that if they volunteer to physically submit the poster for which they are a middle author that they now magically become first author.

 

[JohnJacobJungler]

I am the first author and the titles of the projects are not the same.