self administered medications

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ZakMeister

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As a newly registered pharmacist, today was one of my saddest experience but of course a learning opportunity.

This patient with the diagnosis of syphilis walked in (who btw had a reputation to be super annoying as he believes since he has insurance every medication in the world should be covered) and wanted to speak with the Rph about his Bicillin not getting covered. After begrudgingly calling the insurance company on his behalf with him standing beside me and after failing to explain to him that he has to wait until the PA goes thru, he was frustrated and looked visibly sad.

The insurance rep. did try her best to determine the coverage eligibility by asking if the medication could be self administered..that might be a reason why the MD may need to address in the PA and hence needs to be adjudicated by the insurance. At the end of the day, much to the patients desperation and frustration, I could convince him about the waiting for the PA to go through..but it raised few questions which I wish I knew the answer of.

1. Most IM and SC injectables can be self administered after one or two office visits when the MD determines patient can take it themselves going forward. How do the insurance companies determine which one is self injectable and which one is NOT since it depends entirely upon the MD and the patient.

2. Is there a comprehensive list of injectables which are commonly self administered?

3. What if we could administered some of these (besides vaccines) and if we did so, could we bill them ? ( I recently received this Silverscript bulletin where caremark reimburses pharmacists for vaccine ADMINISTRATION).
 
What kind of environment do you work in? Every place I ever worked at that dispensed Bicillin had a dedicated stock specifically for STDs that was provided by the state, and usually given at no cost to the patient.

Bicillin is also administered at the clinic, because (among other reasons) the injection is very painful, and really, how many people self-administer IM drugs, anyway?
 
As a newly registered pharmacist, today was one of my saddest experience but of course a learning opportunity.

This patient with the diagnosis of syphilis walked in (who btw had a reputation to be super annoying as he believes since he has insurance every medication in the world should be covered) and wanted to speak with the Rph about his Bicillin not getting covered. After begrudgingly calling the insurance company on his behalf with him standing beside me and after failing to explain to him that he has to wait until the PA goes thru, he was frustrated and looked visibly sad.

The insurance rep. did try her best to determine the coverage eligibility by asking if the medication could be self administered..that might be a reason why the MD may need to address in the PA and hence needs to be adjudicated by the insurance. At the end of the day, much to the patients desperation and frustration, I could convince him about the waiting for the PA to go through..but it raised few questions which I wish I knew the answer of.

1. Most IM and SC injectables can be self administered after one or two office visits when the MD determines patient can take it themselves going forward. How do the insurance companies determine which one is self injectable and which one is NOT since it depends entirely upon the MD and the patient.

2. Is there a comprehensive list of injectables which are commonly self administered?

3. What if we could administered some of these (besides vaccines) and if we did so, could we bill them ? ( I recently received this Silverscript bulletin where caremark reimburses pharmacists for vaccine ADMINISTRATION).
1. Many injections' self-injectability could be argued, but it's safe to say gluteal injections are intended to be done by someone other than the patient. Thus Bicillin isn't to be self administered.

2. Not really. Pretty much everything subcutaneous may be self administered.

3. I believe there is only one state that allows pharmacists to administer injectable medications other than vaccines.
 
What kind of environment do you work in? Every place I ever worked at that dispensed Bicillin had a dedicated stock specifically for STDs that was provided by the state, and usually given at no cost to the patient.

Bicillin is also administered at the clinic, because (among other reasons) the injection is very painful, and really, how many people self-administer IM drugs, anyway?
I've dispensed bicillin in retail pharmacies in two chains in 3 states and never had it provided for free.
 
What kind of environment do you work in? Every place I ever worked at that dispensed Bicillin had a dedicated stock specifically for STDs that was provided by the state, and usually given at no cost to the patient.

Bicillin is also administered at the clinic, because (among other reasons) the injection is very painful, and really, how many people self-administer IM drugs, anyway?
I work at an independent, and we work closely with the local clinics. But the patient was from a different city and had Cigna.
 
I think someone on here said Montana or a Dakota maybe allowed pharmacists to administer B12 shots? Not sure.

I once administered a B12 shot as a P1 under the direction of a facility's CMO when I didn't know any better.

Shockingly, the patient lived
 
Ohio just released new legislation last week that allows RPh to give a variety of shots.

Why TF didn't the patient get this in the office? Send them to the county health department or the ED.
 
Ohio just released new legislation last week that allows RPh to give a variety of shots.

Interesting. Another law that "expands pharmacist scope of practice" but requires a specific training course that doesn't exist. I wonder if this one ever will.
 
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