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PinkLonghornDVM

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Hey everyone. I don't post very often, but I absolutely enjoy reading this forum on a regular basis. I felt compelled to write today because I am suffering from some broken "give a hoot". I'm in one of those lulls where I just want to throw in the towel with EVERYTHING. My upper division courses are smothering me while working full time at a clinic I have been with for two years. It feels like a constant struggle between not enough time, not enough money, and not enough me to go around.

How do you guys combat this kind of stress and burn out?? I feel like I'm dying over here! Tired of work, tired of school, arguing with my boyfriend of 7 years over everything.... this pre-vet is going CRAZY! :scared: I feel like I'm on the verge of exploding. HELP!

Jen
 
I'm sorry. I can only commiserate. I hate it when the only response is "it's not going to get any better!" Well, that's probably true, but not the point!

Just keep your eye on the prize. That's all I try to do. Last quarter almost did me in. I was working two jobs, full time in school (condensed summer qtr) and trying to maintain my family life. It was ridiculous and I almost lost it. This quarter I've tried harder to schedule EVERYTHING. I write so many lists and make sure I don't forget to do anything. It seems to help a little.

Sorry if that was jumbled nonsense... I am deliriously tired today. Good luck!!
 
Everyone has those moments.... learning to deal with stress is a life skill, not just a vet thing.

My best advice when things are overwhelming... is focus on one thing at a time, one minute at a time. You can't do everything all at once, just focus on getting through the next minute, and the minute after that etc etc. Considering ALL of the things that have to get done, all the problems and obstacles never helps us accomplish anything.

Also try to find something that will ground you when you sense those feelings coming on. Drink tea, pet a dog, practice breathing, count floor tiles, whatever. Learn something and use it.


Good luck
 
Thank you Mystery Cat! I definitely feel the same.... lists and organization helps leaps and bounds! Just something feels so off this year and I feel like it is starting to compromise all the hard work I have done. 🙁
 
I'm in the same boat this semester... for some reason it is all just way overwhelming. I don't even work full time; just two part time ones. I just keep telling myself that it could always be worse... Maybe that's a bad philosophy but it is what is getting me through.
 
Everyone has those moments.... learning to deal with stress is a life skill, not just a vet thing.

My best advice when things are overwhelming... is focus on one thing at a time, one minute at a time. You can't do everything all at once, just focus on getting through the next minute, and the minute after that etc etc. Considering ALL of the things that have to get done, all the problems and obstacles never helps us accomplish anything.

Also try to find something that will ground you when you sense those feelings coming on. Drink tea, pet a dog, practice breathing, count floor tiles, whatever. Learn something and use it.


Good luck
This. If you think about the fact that you have 3 papers and 2 tests in the next week and a half it seem insurmountable. Work on the paper thats' due first. Then study for the first test. Seriously. Just one foot in front of the other. And like SOV said, do things that ground you. And take time for you. You HAVE to. I don't care how much you have on your plate. Watch your favorite show. Take a half-1 hour walk. Talk to a friend for 30 minutes. If you burn yourself out now, you're looking at a very long road.
 
I know exactly how you feel PinkLonghorn... I've also been having one of those semesters. Along with the advice everyone has been saying, I motivate myself by keeping a countdown of things I'm looking forward to. Every day before I start any work or assignments I get excited because I can check one more day off until I can visit my SO on the weekend, until Thanksgiving, the semester is over, etc.

Sounds a bit pathetic, but it seriously helps me stay on track when I just feel like throwing in the towel. Hang in there!
 
I also am in the same boat... I'm getting angry at myself over scores that are still perfectly acceptable because I feel like I'm working so hard that I should be rocking the easy courses or it means I'm not smart enough for this. I'm literally pissed over scores that I should be okay with. I'm just feeling frazzled right now, but tomorrow a new book comes out I've been looking forward to reading (Allegiant, Divergent #3) and I'm gonna take tomorrow night off and read it. 🙂
 
I am in the exact same boat, can totally empathize... Working full time at the vet clinic, taking my upper division courses, fighting with my boyfriend who I live with... I am so discouraged lately and today I just want to throw in the towel after taking my biochem test. Biochem is killing me no matter how much I study, and I barely have the motivation to study at all! I worked so hard up until this point and now I just can't stand taking any more prereqs, scrounging for pennies since my tech job pays zero dollars and fighting with my boyfriend on everything related to vet school- how I don't spend enough time with him because I so busy with my classes and work and applications, where I'm going to get accepted (or not accepted at all), where we will have to move, if he is going to have to leave his job or transfer, and the loans, loans, loans. If my applications were not already paid for and submitted, I would probably throw in the towel. For the last 3 years, everything in my heart made me determined to apply to vet school but right now canning the whole idea seems like a much more viable option.... 🙁
 
If you think about the fact that you have 3 papers and 2 tests in the next week and a half it seem insurmountable. Work on the paper thats' due first. Then study for the first test. Seriously. Just one foot in front of the other. And like SOV said, do things that ground you. And take time for you. You HAVE to. I don't care how much you have on your plate. Watch your favorite show. Take a half-1 hour walk. Talk to a friend for 30 minutes. If you burn yourself out now, you're looking at a very long road.

Spot on 👍
 
I am in the exact same boat, can totally empathize... Working full time at the vet clinic, taking my upper division courses, fighting with my boyfriend who I live with... I am so discouraged lately and today I just want to throw in the towel after taking my biochem test. Biochem is killing me no matter how much I study, and I barely have the motivation to study at all! I worked so hard up until this point and now I just can't stand taking any more prereqs, scrounging for pennies since my tech job pays zero dollars and fighting with my boyfriend on everything related to vet school- how I don't spend enough time with him because I so busy with my classes and work and applications, where I'm going to get accepted (or not accepted at all), where we will have to move, if he is going to have to leave his job or transfer, and the loans, loans, loans. If my applications were not already paid for and submitted, I would probably throw in the towel. For the last 3 years, everything in my heart made me determined to apply to vet school but right now canning the whole idea seems like a much more viable option.... 🙁

Biochem is a killer course!!! Please don't feel bad if you're not acing it. When I took it, people jumped for joy at a 1.0. Also, I am in similar shoes when it comes to the boyfriend situation. We don't live together, but it's been 6 years and he has plainly said he won't be coming with me if I do get accepted anywhere this round...
 
Biochem is a killer course!!! Please don't feel bad if you're not acing it. When I took it, people jumped for joy at a 1.0. Also, I am in similar shoes when it comes to the boyfriend situation. We don't live together, but it's been 6 years and he has plainly said he won't be coming with me if I do get accepted anywhere this round...
Yea, biochem is pretty terrible... Your post did make me feel better! Wow, totally understand your bf situation. Until very recently, my bf said he would not move anywhere - he wanted me to only apply to UPenn (since I'm from NJ). I agonized over what to do - I wanted to follow my dreams but I also didn't want to sacrifice our relationship. I'm a non traditional applicant - age 26 - and my bf is 28 and wants to get married and start a family soon. I realized that I would only really be happy if I go to vet school first before settling down with a family, so I went ahead and applied to over 10 schools despite my boyfriend's wishes. And then shortly after my VMCAS was submitted, my bf suddenly came around and told me that he will move anywhere with me. However he makes it clear that is NOT his first choice and if frequently comes up as an argument. I don't want to make him move anywhere for me and him to be unhappy so I never put pressure on him to move at all. He makes me feel pretty miserable about it a lot of the time though which I don't really think is fair.... So totally understand what you are going through.. Maybe your bf will come around. PM me if you want and we can chat!
 
Yea, biochem is pretty terrible... Your post did make me feel better! Wow, totally understand your bf situation. Until very recently, my bf said he would not move anywhere - he wanted me to only apply to UPenn (since I'm from NJ). I agonized over what to do - I wanted to follow my dreams but I also didn't want to sacrifice our relationship. I'm a non traditional applicant - age 26 - and my bf is 28 and wants to get married and start a family soon. I realized that I would only really be happy if I go to vet school first before settling down with a family, so I went ahead and applied to over 10 schools despite my boyfriend's wishes. And then shortly after my VMCAS was submitted, my bf suddenly came around and told me that he will move anywhere with me. However he makes it clear that is NOT his first choice and if frequently comes up as an argument. I don't want to make him move anywhere for me and him to be unhappy so I never put pressure on him to move at all. He makes me feel pretty miserable about it a lot of the time though which I don't really think is fair.... So totally understand what you are going through.. Maybe your bf will come around. PM me if you want and we can chat!

Well we're only 21 so it's more understandable that he's not willing to pick up and move quite yet. He still has to get into rad tech school and finish his goals. I am totally open to PMing about this!!
 
So lucky you are 21... Makes life so much easier! But still very tough with a 6 yr relationship. I'll PM you!
 
Until very recently, my bf said he would not move anywhere - he wanted me to only apply to UPenn (since I'm from NJ).

Soooo..... this may come out wrong, and if so - sorry.

But IMO any guy who puts out an ultimatum like that needs to be seriously smacked upside the head.

I get not wanting to move. But to turn it into "not gonna, and you only apply here" ...

... there are better guys out there.

Anyway. I'll shut up now. 🙂
 
All of us have been there, but trust me it'll be worth it once you're in vet school and get one step closer to doing what you love. Stress is a constant looming presence, especially in vet school, but just know that everyone's right there with you!
 
Soooo..... this may come out wrong, and if so - sorry.

But IMO any guy who puts out an ultimatum like that needs to be seriously smacked upside the head.

I get not wanting to move. But to turn it into "not gonna, and you only apply here" ...

... there are better guys out there.

Anyway. I'll shut up now. 🙂

I agree with LetItSnow! It's a very sticky situation, but please don't let him stand in your way!
 
Soooo..... this may come out wrong, and if so - sorry.

But IMO any guy who puts out an ultimatum like that needs to be seriously smacked upside the head.

I get not wanting to move. But to turn it into "not gonna, and you only apply here" ...

... there are better guys out there.

Anyway. I'll shut up now. 🙂
Oh I'm not insulted, don't worry... He got a (metaphorical) slap in the head lol. I sought out many opinions from friends, family, coworkers, vets, current vet students, etc etc and I made the very important decision to apply anyway despite his wishes. The only thing is that he makes me feel selfish because he says that I am not supportive of him following HIS dreams by staying at his current job in NJ. I see his point - which is why I never asked him to move and I told him we would do long distance and figure it out. But I still can't help feeling badly for the whole thing and wondering if I am being selfish.... :/ sorry to turn this message board into a relationship saga - I really appreciate all of your advice though, I've been really torn up about this lately and doubting my decision.
 
I also am in the same boat... I'm getting angry at myself over scores that are still perfectly acceptable because I feel like I'm working so hard that I should be rocking the easy courses or it means I'm not smart enough for this. I'm literally pissed over scores that I should be okay with.

I FEEL SO SIMILARLY! I just got a B on a fricking intercultural communications exam. I was so pissed! I know that it wa because I was febrile at the time of the exam and not putting words together correctly. But still! We need to give ourselves a break, relax, and just do the best we can. 🙂
 
Oh I'm not insulted, don't worry... He got a (metaphorical) slap in the head lol. I sought out many opinions from friends, family, coworkers, vets, current vet students, etc etc and I made the very important decision to apply anyway despite his wishes. The only thing is that he makes me feel selfish because he says that I am not supportive of him following HIS dreams by staying at his current job in NJ. I see his point - which is why I never asked him to move and I told him we would do long distance and figure it out. But I still can't help feeling badly for the whole thing and wondering if I am being selfish.... :/ sorry to turn this message board into a relationship saga - I really appreciate all of your advice though, I've been really torn up about this lately and doubting my decision.

I REFUSE TO LET YOU FEEL SELFISH!! Maybe I'm being a tad...conceited? Not sure of a good word. But it's difficult for those who aren't pre-vet, pre-med, pre-whatever to really understand how stressful this process is. And how unpredictable it can be.

When people graduate after 4 years, they jump for joy and celebrate. To me, these 4 years are merely a stepping stone to my true goal. I could just have a really pessimistic view of the whole situation.

My friend was in a similar situation. She only wanted to go to our IS school in order to be close to her boyfriend. I told her that you cannot allow yourself to potentially sacrifice the life you want to live in order to, quite literally, please someone else. Sure, if you have a killer application and are extremely confident, apply to just the IS. You have a good chance of getting in. But if you want options and statistics on your side, apply to the schools you want. If he can't sacrifice for you , why should you sacrifice for him?

I feel like I'm giving you good material for your next argument haha
 
... is focus on one thing at a time, one minute at a time. You can't do everything all at once, just focus on getting through the next minute, and the minute after that etc etc. Considering ALL of the things that have to get done, all the problems and obstacles never helps us accomplish anything.

Couldn't agree more with this.

A lot of us are stupid busy but you need to take care of yourself first. Make time, even if it's just 15 minutes out of the week to do something that you enjoy and look forward to. That's how I stay sane 🙂
 
Yea, biochem is pretty terrible... Your post did make me feel better! Wow, totally understand your bf situation. Until very recently, my bf said he would not move anywhere - he wanted me to only apply to UPenn (since I'm from NJ). I agonized over what to do - I wanted to follow my dreams but I also didn't want to sacrifice our relationship. I'm a non traditional applicant - age 26 - and my bf is 28 and wants to get married and start a family soon. I realized that I would only really be happy if I go to vet school first before settling down with a family, so I went ahead and applied to over 10 schools despite my boyfriend's wishes. And then shortly after my VMCAS was submitted, my bf suddenly came around and told me that he will move anywhere with me.

Soooo..... this may come out wrong, and if so - sorry.

But IMO any guy who puts out an ultimatum like that needs to be seriously smacked upside the head.

I get not wanting to move. But to turn it into "not gonna, and you only apply here" ...

... there are better guys out there.

Anyway. I'll shut up now. 🙂


Just to play devil's advocate here....

She said her bf was 28 and wanted to get married and start a family. I can totally understand his hesitation with all of this - he sees it as four more years of school, debt, etc - putting his life, which is just as valuable as her life - on hold (not to mention potentially moving and having to find a new job). Of course is it within his rights to express his wants and desires. His ultimatum of "if you go, I want you to go here or else we can't be together" is just as valid as her unspoken ultimatum of "I want to go wherever I want and if you can't deal with it then we can't be together."

Now, this is just a boyfriend, not a husband, so I agree that she has a bit more freedom to leave. But my point stands. That being said, I am glad he decided to open up a bit more. Remember, this is a big life change for him too.

If my fiance now wanted to go to med school, I damn well wouldn't be happy about it. Would I tell him "Ok look here...I want us to settle down and start a family (I don't want kids myself, but for the sake of argument) I'm not thrilled with the med school idea. I don't want you to go because it would mean more years of little income, rising debt, stress, never getting to see you, inability to start said family under stable circumstances, etc. If you really really have to go, I want you to apply in-state so we don't have to uproot." I think that would be a perfectly valid thing to say.


However he makes it clear that is NOT his first choice and if frequently comes up as an argument. I don't want to make him move anywhere for me and him to be unhappy so I never put pressure on him to move at all. He makes me feel pretty miserable about it a lot of the time though which I don't really think is fair.... So totally understand what you are going through.. Maybe your bf will come around. PM me if you want and we can chat!

Now, his making you feel miserable about it is not good. That shows a lack of proper mature communication and breeds resentment.

Technically, though, you *are* indirectly putting pressure on him to move just by virtue of applying to other schools. I'm sure he feels worried about it, especially since he wants to settle down. However it sounds like he is lashing out inappropriately
 
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I FEEL SO SIMILARLY! I just got a B on a fricking intercultural communications exam. I was so pissed! I know that it wa because I was febrile at the time of the exam and not putting words together correctly. But still! We need to give ourselves a break, relax, and just do the best we can. 🙂

YES. I'm trying to stay focused and realize it's realistically only 2% of my overall grade, and it's still not even an F, but I'm just so pressured. Because I'm non-trad and behind the ball I keep saying if I don't get a 3.8, if I don't rock the GRE, if I don't get optimum hours (i need cow time) then I won't get in.. I'm putting so much pressure on myself and I'm so far behind already, I won'tn be able to apply for at least 2 more cycles and I'm afraid of starting in my late 20s, which is silly. BLAH. I"m so stressed and pissed at myself I decided to wait until my mid 20s to follow through on this, how much time did I waste?!
 
YES. I'm trying to stay focused and realize it's realistically only 2% of my overall grade, and it's still not even an F, but I'm just so pressured. Because I'm non-trad and behind the ball I keep saying if I don't get a 3.8, if I don't rock the GRE, if I don't get optimum hours (i need cow time) then I won't get in.. I'm putting so much pressure on myself and I'm so far behind already, I won'tn be able to apply for at least 2 more cycles and I'm afraid of starting in my late 20s, which is silly. BLAH. I"m so stressed and pissed at myself I decided to wait until my mid 20s to follow through on this, how much time did I waste?!
Don't worry SV88, You aren't alone. I just spent the last 3 years doing prerequisites and working as a vet tech. At times, it felt so tiring and like my goal of vet school was SO far out of sight. Like you - I put way too much pressure on myself to maintain a 4.0 and ace the GREs because I felt I was so behind. You will get through it though and the time to apply to school will come before you know it. My advice (if you are not already doing) is to get a vet tech job while doing your preqs. It was hard work with work and classes but getting to "absorb" myself in the vet world on the days I wasn't in class made my goal seem much more within reach. Really provided an escape from the stress of classes - I love going to work everyday. It made the weeks and months fly by too - I was so busy I had no free time to dwell on bad grades or the fact that I was still not to ready to apply to school! Now I am 26 and if I get into school this year, I will be 27 when I start in the fall. Yes, it sucks and I wish I had realized I wanted to be a vet earlier, but just be reassured that you aren't the only one going through this! 🙂
 
Just to play devil's advocate here....

She said her bf was 28 and wanted to get married and start a family. I can totally understand his hesitation with all of this - he sees it as four more years of school, debt, etc - putting his life, which is just as valuable as her life - on hold (not to mention potentially moving and having to find a new job). Of course is it within his rights to express his wants and desires. His ultimatum of "if you go, I want you to go here or else we can't be together" is just as valid as her unspoken ultimatum of "I want to go wherever I want and if you can't deal with it then we can't be together."

Now, this is just a boyfriend, not a husband, so I agree that she has a bit more freedom to leave. But my point stands. That being said, I am glad he decided to open up a bit more. Remember, this is a big life change for him too.

If my fiance now wanted to go to med school, I damn well wouldn't be happy about it. Would I tell him "Ok look here...I want us to settle down and start a family (I don't want kids myself, but for the sake of argument) I'm not thrilled with the med school idea. I don't want you to go because it would mean more years of little income, rising debt, stress, never getting to see you, inability to start said family under stable circumstances, etc. If you really really have to go, I want you to apply in-state so we don't have to uproot." I think that would be a perfectly valid thing to say.




Now, his making you feel miserable about it is not good. That shows a lack of proper mature communication and breeds resentment.

Technically, though, you *are* indirectly putting pressure on him to move just by virtue of applying to other schools. I'm sure he feels worried about it, especially since he wants to settle down. However it sounds like he is lashing out inappropriately
Wow - you are entirely on target. I feel like you personally know my bf and I although you've never even met us haha! Your devils advocate highlights the exact qualms he has right now, and I totally get them, but yes, sometimes he lashes out inn appropriately like instead of saying "I really wish you would go to instate school yada yada" he said "you cannot apply to anywhere except the instate school" and he also constantly tells me how I have to get in to the instate school
Otherwise it will all be over, which is putting a tremendous
Amount of pressure on me for something that is beyond my control at this
Point. Like dude, obviously it's my number one choice to get into the instate school, but
I certainly can't guarantee I'll get in! And the plan was to get engaged really soon.... How knows now. Anyway, thank you for your perspective - it validated both sides of our argument, so I feel much better about the situation right now.
 
Haha, it is probably the 12+ years of relationships 😉 I've dealt with a lot of conflicts over the years with very different people. Both sides of the argument are absolutely valid, but I do worry that it seems he is going about this in a somewhat passive aggressive manner. How long have y'all been together again? Has he usually been open with his feelings, or is he kind of guarded?

I went through something similar, as I received an NIH grant and was headed back to Virginia. My fiance, who had never lived outside of Texas in his life (and you know how Texans are about Texas - they all want to stay! :laugh:) came with me. He was more obliging than it sounds your bf is, but it was still difficult for him and he needed time.

Again though - he needs to stop taking it out on you. You have enough on your plate. Just keep reminding him that you know about his concerns and are weighing them - maybe he feels like you are not for whatever reason. Men need as much reassurance as ladies sometimes 😉 They want to feel needed. Then again, he could just be being kind of jerkish and is bad at expressing his feelings - it's hard to tell his motivations.

I would personally postpone engagement until all of this works itself out. You don't want to get engaged, have to go out of state, and have it fall apart. It doesn't sound like things are quite stable enough. Wait to see where you get in and go from there.

Wow - you are entirely on target. I feel like you personally know my bf and I although you've never even met us haha! Your devils advocate highlights the exact qualms he has right now, and I totally get them, but yes, sometimes he lashes out inn appropriately like instead of saying "I really wish you would go to instate school yada yada" he said "you cannot apply to anywhere except the instate school" and he also constantly tells me how I have to get in to the instate school
Otherwise it will all be over, which is putting a tremendous
Amount of pressure on me for something that is beyond my control at this
Point. Like dude, obviously it's my number one choice to get into the instate school, but
I certainly can't guarantee I'll get in! And the plan was to get engaged really soon.... How knows now. Anyway, thank you for your perspective - it validated both sides of our argument, so I feel much better about the situation right now.
 
Haha, it is probably the 12+ years of relationships 😉 I've dealt with a lot of conflicts over the years with very different people. Both sides of the argument are absolutely valid, but I do worry that it seems he is going about this in a somewhat passive aggressive manner. How long have y'all been together again? Has he usually been open with his feelings, or is he kind of guarded?

I went through something similar, as I received an NIH grant and was headed back to Virginia. My fiance, who had never lived outside of Texas in his life (and you know how Texans are about Texas - they all want to stay! :laugh:) came with me. He was more obliging than it sounds your bf is, but it was still difficult for him and he needed time.

Again though - he needs to stop taking it out on you. You have enough on your plate. Just keep reminding him that you know about his concerns and are weighing them - maybe he feels like you are not for whatever reason. Men need as much reassurance as ladies sometimes 😉 They want to feel needed. Then again, he could just be being kind of jerkish and is bad at expressing his feelings - it's hard to tell his motivations.

I would personally postpone engagement until all of this works itself out. You don't want to get engaged, have to go out of state, and have it fall apart. It doesn't sound like things are quite stable enough. Wait to see where you get in and go from there.

Bah. I don't buy it. Guys don't change. If he was trying to manipulate things now, he'll be doing it 15 years from now. Grad school, especially med/dental/vet/whatever school, take a special sorta partner to put up with.

But you know me. I'm kinda old 'n grumpy.
 
Bah. I don't buy it. Guys don't change. If he was trying to manipulate things now, he'll be doing it 15 years from now. Grad school, especially med/dental/vet/whatever school, take a special sorta partner to put up with.

But you know me. I'm kinda old 'n grumpy.

I was totally was coming in here to call you a grumpopotamus. What are you still doing up anyway?
 
I was totally was coming in here to call you a grumpopotamus. What are you still doing up anyway?

Studying. Sorta. You know, that studying you do when you look at one slide page for a few seconds.... then grump out on SDN, check the news, swing through FB, laugh at a few goofy cat photos.... look at another slide page....
 
Studying. Sorta. You know, that studying you do when you look at one slide page for a few seconds.... then grump out on SDN, check the news, swing through FB, laugh at a few goofy cat photos.... look at another slide page....

Oh. There's other kinds of studying? I have my next anatomy midterm in the morning. We'll see how that goes...
 
Oh. There's other kinds of studying? I have my next anatomy midterm in the morning. We'll see how that goes...

Yeah. I really should sleep. I don't even have a real exam tomorrow, just some in-class clicker quiz about bovine surgery. Snoozer material for a small-animal guy like me.
 
Yeah. I really should sleep. I don't even have a real exam tomorrow, just some in-class clicker quiz about bovine surgery. Snoozer material for a small-animal guy like me.

But you need to be able to take care of our pet cow.
 
I was thinking instead of a little retail section we could have a "butchered on site" meat sales counter.

With chocolate milk and goats' cheese!!



PS...this is how you deal with stress, pre vets. 😉
 
Try our world-famous horse burgers!

"Sorry ma'am, I can't treat your strangles horse with antibiotics. Withholding time for our meat counter."

It gives the beef mince a wonderful flavour.
 
Haha, it is probably the 12+ years of relationships 😉 I've dealt with a lot of conflicts over the years with very different people. Both sides of the argument are absolutely valid, but I do worry that it seems he is going about this in a somewhat passive aggressive manner. How long have y'all been together again? Has he usually been open with his feelings, or is he kind of guarded?

I went through something similar, as I received an NIH grant and was headed back to Virginia. My fiance, who had never lived outside of Texas in his life (and you know how Texans are about Texas - they all want to stay! :laugh:) came with me. He was more obliging than it sounds your bf is, but it was still difficult for him and he needed time.

Again though - he needs to stop taking it out on you. You have enough on your plate. Just keep reminding him that you know about his concerns and are weighing them - maybe he feels like you are not for whatever reason. Men need as much reassurance as ladies sometimes 😉 They want to feel needed. Then again, he could just be being kind of jerkish and is bad at expressing his feelings - it's hard to tell his motivations.

I would personally postpone engagement until all of this works itself out. You don't want to get engaged, have to go out of state, and have it fall apart. It doesn't sound like things are quite stable enough. Wait to see where you get in and go from there.
First off, I wanted to say that you vet students are hilarious with your cow talk. Secondly, yes letitsnow, i go back and forth between being a total grumpopotamus myself and wondering if this relationship will ever work. Especially since it is so bad now with me being so busy with my classes and work and him expressing that I do not make enough time for him, which I am trying really hard to fix. I wonder how it will be like in vet school when I have even less time?

You're right pink puppy - you truly cannot abandon your dreams for someone else. That is why he is having trouble abandoning his dreams for me, as well. To complicate things, he works for his dad's company and finally got promoted after 5 years of hard work. He is on track to take over his dad's company and make mega $$$$$$$ in the next 5 years. Which also complicates things because not to focus on money only, but we have to be realistic and think about how we are going to pay back my massive vet school debt. He will be supporting me during vet school (plus loans), so I really do have to take his consideration into account. There is the possibility that his dad may let him work from home long distance since he is a trader now, but we can't bet on it and it may ruin his chances of taking over the company. His dad is the rags to riches type who won't do favors for anyone, not even his own son (in fact he is a thousand times tougher on his son than on any of his other employees!) Also, my boyfriend's sister just got married and had a baby earlier this week so right now his frustration at not being able to get married and start a family for another 4+ years is at its all time worst. 🙁 It worries me to think that I won't be able to start a family until I am at least 32 (since I will want to work for a couple years before going on maternity leave), but I guess I have come to terms with that since my dream of become a vet has trumped all. I so wish I had decided all of this in my early 20s. 🙁

We've been together for almost 3 years (nothing compared to your 12+ years whtsthefrequency!) but we live together, have a whole life together, and have been talking about getting married for awhile. The engagement will definitely be postponed now until at least the spring when I find out where the hell I am going (if anywhere). Maybe I will get into the UPenn, and this will all be a moot point - however I am OOS everywhere (being from NJ) so my chances are slim all around, and I really do have to take whatever I can get. I feel like I compromised and discussed the whole application process with him - I chose schools to apply to that are in cities where he could potentially find a job or has connections. But that compromise doesn't seem to be enough for him. He really doesn't like change, and is always open about that, but then tends to eventually come around to new things once they become familiar. He is going to come with me to AZ for my interview at Midwestern in early December, so I'm hoping he will get excited once he's there. But you are right - guys really do need CONSTANT reassurance - sometimes I feel like he is the girl in the relationship, not me. I try to accommodate him, but it's really hard. We are both stubborn by nature. Just out of curiosity - what would you have done if you were in my shoes? Would you have applied only to UPenn or would you have applied everywhere knowing that you can't abandon your own dreams for someone else?

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First off, I wanted to say that you vet students are hilarious with your cow talk. Secondly, yes letitsnow, i go back and forth between being a total grumpopotamus myself and wondering if this relationship will ever work. Especially since it is so bad now with me being so busy with my classes and work and him expressing that I do not make enough time for him, which I am trying really hard to fix. I wonder how it will be like in vet school when I have even less time?

We've been together for almost 3 years (nothing compared to your 12+ years whtsthefrequency!) but we live together, have a whole life together, and have been talking about getting married for awhile. The engagement will definitely be postponed now until at least the spring when I find out where the hell I am going (if anywhere). Maybe I will get into the UPenn, and this will all be a moot point - however I am OOS everywhere (being from NJ) so my chances are slim all around, and I really do have to take whatever I can get. I feel like I compromised and discussed the whole application process with him - I chose schools to apply to that are in cities where he could potentially find a job or has connections. But that compromise doesn't seem to be enough for him. He really doesn't like change, and is always open about that, but then tends to eventually come around to new things once they become familiar. He is going to come with me to AZ for my interview at Midwestern in early December, so I'm hoping he will get excited once he's there. But you are right - guys really do need CONSTANT reassurance - sometimes I feel like he is the girl in the relationship, not me. I try to accommodate him, but it's really hard. We are both stubborn by nature. Just out of curiosity - what would you have done if you were in my shoes? Would you have applied only to UPenn or would you have applied everywhere knowing that you can't abandon your own dreams for someone else?

Haha, oh no, I meant 12 years or so total dating back to high school, not with one person 😉 I was one of those people who was almost always in a relationship. And actually, I think it made me a very strong person who knows how to deal with conflict and compromise. Some people say Oh, but how can you really know yourself (whatever the heck that means) if you're always in a relationship....I call BS. I learned MUCH more about myself - my strengths, my weaknesses, what I wanted and didn't want out of life - when I was dealing with managing another person in my life then I would have by myself. But then again, I always maintained a very strong sense of self - after my first relationship, that is

Well, in terms of what I would do...speaking of that first relationship....I dated my first boyfriend for over four years through high school and into college. When I expressed desire to go to vet school in my junior year of college, he wasn't supportive at all. His main reasoning was that "when" we were married, my debt would become our debt (among other things like moving - he was a year older than me and would be graduating and likely moving away from the schools I wanted to go to - and time, business, etc). Long story short, the relationship ended up...well, ending. Which was tough after four years.

Now, this was not JUST about vet school - we had a lot of other small issues. But it was definitely the straw (and a large straw at that) that broke the camel's back. Like LIS said, takes a very special kind of partnership with a LOT of communication in order to make it through professional school. I'm not saying you guys can't have that, but right now it doesn't sound like he is pulling his emotional weight.
 
Gosh, why couldn't vet school cost $5 and all of this would be avoided? I feel like debt is the number one relationship killer. I edited my post above to talk about the financial aspect of things. Yes, communication is key - really trying to work on that. Sometimes I do feel like his mom - gross. Your'e right - there must be a balance - I'll try and work on that too. Oh and fyi - I have made it clear to my bf that after vet school I would most certainly move ANYWHERE for him. And I'm talking about potentially Africa or South America since he is a coffee broker and may at some point have to move to "origin" - talk about compromise!
 
I'll toss my two cents into the relationship discussion.

I personally think that October is way too early in the process to be arguing about where you will or won't be moving. Granted, my boyfriend and I are both lousy at dealing with confrontation and we're both quite guarded (me especially) so our strategy definitely won't work for everyone, but we agreed not to talk about that issue until after I'd received my responses from the schools. I applied all over the U.S. and internationally, and I knew I wasn't a particularly strong applicant so there was a good chance I wasn't going to get in at all. To us, it was useless to start fighting over any of that when we still had no idea if I would even be going to vet school that year. It made much more sense to postpone that discussion until we knew what my options were and had solid facts to work with instead of all the "what ifs".

In the end, that approach worked out great for us. Not only did we save ourselves a lot of fighting and stress, but by the time I got my responses six months had passed and our relationship was much stronger - we had only been dating for 9 months at the time that I applied. There was never a question of whether I was going to go or not. We both knew that there was no way I could sacrifice my dream for our relationship. And having my boyfriend move with me was not an option, because he still has a year of school to finish and bringing an SO to Canada is next to impossible. We ended up deciding to do long distance. So far it's been going surprisingly well. We text all the time, Skype once a week or so, and the rest of the time I'm too busy to dwell on how much I miss him. Once he graduates in May, he's talking about coming up to visit on a regular basis, so it would be nice if that works out.

So yeah, my basic advice is: don't waste time and energy fighting about it until you know for sure what you options are. And know that it is still possible to stay together (or at least try to stay together) even if you do decide to go to school somewhere out of state. :luck:
 
Just out of curiosity - what would you have done if you were in my shoes? Would you have applied only to UPenn or would you have applied everywhere knowing that you can't abandon your own dreams for someone else?

I know you didn't ask me, but.... 🙂

It's not that I don't "get" his angst. Anyone would feel it in his shoes. But I think the big hearted approach - if the relationship is strong enough to manage it - is to say "let's make long distance work if we have to, but it's important that you fulfill your life goals."

It's ok to feel disappointed, frustrated, and angry when your partner's goals conflict with your own. It's just not ok to say "or else" (in my book). That kind of coercion just isn't ok. So the right thing to do, if I'm in his shoes, is to sit down and say "ok, how can we make it work."

We have married couples who are living separately through vet school; not just 'dating' or 'engaged' couples. It's not unmanageable, no matter how much people say LD can't work. If the relationship is serious enough and has two mature people in it; it can work.

And if it's not serious enough and has one or more immature people in it ... then it's probably better to set the relationship aside for the time being <anyway>.

I know, I sound like a jackass. But that's my take on it.

In the spirit of full disclosure, *I* only applied IS because I have a wife (14 years, so there, WTF 😉) and three kids and I wasn't about to put them through moving, LD, or anything like that. So in my case I just said "either I get in here or I don't do it." But my wife never asked me to do that, or insisted that it was the only way to do things. She would have been unthrilled if I had gone somewhere else, but she would have gamely tried.

That said, in your shoes, I would start thinking about the compromises YOU can make. Just as a random suggestion, not one to be taken specifically, maybe you need to move off your "wait until a couple years out of school for kids" position. Maybe you could have kids during school (people do!). Maybe you could take a break between school and starting a career. Maybe you could work part time out of school to have kids (especially since it sounds like finances ought to work ut with him). So instead of it being an all-or-nothing deal for him, it ends up being "ok, I have to be patient while she's in school, but we've got a PLAN that gets me to marriage and kids." (All of this presumes you're on board with the kid plan at some point. I'm definitely not saying "have kids just because he wants them." Bad plan, that.)

Ya know? It takes a little - ok, a lot - of give from everybody to make it work. If you're a really super student who can get away with it, maybe it'll take saying "ok, I'm gonna get Bs instead of As in order to have more time for him if that's what he needs." I dunno. I just know compromise is pretty key for both sides.

And you might try going to him and saying "I really want to be here (in state). But if I can't be, what can we do to manage things?" See what he says.

And probably the best way to make it succeed is setting accurate expectations on things like availability and time. But I guess that's a topic for after you get into school. 🙂


Hey WTF - didn't you do the LD thing for a while? Or you're doing it now? Or something like that?
 
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Don't worry SV88, You aren't alone. I just spent the last 3 years doing prerequisites and working as a vet tech. At times, it felt so tiring and like my goal of vet school was SO far out of sight. Like you - I put way too much pressure on myself to maintain a 4.0 and ace the GREs because I felt I was so behind. You will get through it though and the time to apply to school will come before you know it. My advice (if you are not already doing) is to get a vet tech job while doing your preqs. It was hard work with work and classes but getting to "absorb" myself in the vet world on the days I wasn't in class made my goal seem much more within reach. Really provided an escape from the stress of classes - I love going to work everyday. It made the weeks and months fly by too - I was so busy I had no free time to dwell on bad grades or the fact that I was still not to ready to apply to school! Now I am 26 and if I get into school this year, I will be 27 when I start in the fall. Yes, it sucks and I wish I had realized I wanted to be a vet earlier, but just be reassured that you aren't the only one going through this! 🙂

Hi jerseyshoregirl! I'm g,ad I'm not alone 🙂 I have been a small animal / exotic GP tech for over 5 years now. I am presently in surgery through the weekday mornings and appts otherwise. We work mon thru Saturday and luckily all the vets I work with see very supportive of my vet school dream. It's nice having them so helpful ! Changes everything I think.

Hopefully since we are more mature we will be able to succeed in vet school 🙂
 
Hey WTF - didn't you do the LD thing for a while? Or you're doing it now? Or something like that?

I've done LD twice. Once with said first boyfriend when he was starting college and I was still in high school. It worked fine and we dated for two more years afterwards when I joined him in college. It was only 4 hours away, so I don't even really consider that long distance.

I also had a short LDR when I started residency, which ended in a badly, badly broken-hearted WTF after he called it off out of the blue. I stayed in TX (obviously, I wasn't gonna quit residency even despite my feelings - I was sure he was the one and we were going to get married, etc) and he stayed in VA to do a PhD. How ironic that now that I am back, I have to see his car in the parking lot everyday 🙄 (our buildings are right next to each other).

I personally don't have much hope for LDRs (I meant interstate or international, not a piddling little 2 hr drive or something) unless the couple in question is married. But then again, I'm biased.

Thankfully, the fiance (met him in Texas during my second year) has been very accommodating. He basically said look, wherever we need to move or you, we'll move. I may have preferences, but I know it matters where you get the grant. Then again, he was in a different place than it sounds jersey's bf is.He was tired of living in TX, his uncle (who basically raised him) passed away so he didn't have ties there anymore, his lab was likely not going to get funding so he would need a new job anyway, etc.
 
Studying. Sorta. You know, that studying you do when you look at one slide page for a few seconds.... then grump out on SDN, check the news, swing through FB, laugh at a few goofy cat photos.... look at another slide page....

👍 that's my kind of studying.
 
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