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He hasn't been accepted yet. He is still collecting his rejection letters from DO schools...lol...

And yes, we are still waiting for proof of his USMLE pass rates.

You keep living in ur fantasy but dont fabricate facts about USMLE pass rates/graduation rates when you cannot even provide ppl a link showing these facts. The way you sound makes ppl going to SGU seem like idiots. Why the hell did they let you into their school anyway. Bottom line, ur still in a Caribbean school so stop braggin about how great you are.
 

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Over 24 SGU students matched into Anesthesiology this year which happens to be a highly competitive residency these days. Only four students at AUC matched into the same field, even if you account for a class size that is half of SGU's, three times as many SGU grads matched into the program.
 

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Over 24 SGU students matched into Anesthesiology this year which happens to be a highly competitive residency these days. Only four students at AUC matched into the same field, even if you account for a class size that is half of SGU's, three times as many SGU grads matched into the program.

That has to do with the interests of the class that year. Did you stop to think maybe that specific class didn't have a lot of people interested in anesthesiology this year? I doubt SGU is going to place grads into considerably more competitive residencies than AUC in any meaningful numbers. In the end, they are both established schools with similar "reputations," if you want to call it that.
 

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Over 24 SGU students matched into Anesthesiology this year which happens to be a highly competitive residency these days. Only four students at AUC matched into the same field, even if you account for a class size that is half of SGU's, three times as many SGU grads matched into the program.


SGU has 400 students per term and AUC has about 100 on average per term. If you do the math, it is the same general percentage of the class.
 

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SGU isn't so condescending to rank students by "terms", they are ranked by years. Each year SGU has about 600 students, AUC has about 300 students per year, with more than half of that entering in August and the rest in January and May. AUC also has a fair level of attrition, nothing like Ross which is a slaughterhouse, even checked with one of the faculty members, that said about 15 percent are dismissed from AUC vs. 3 percent at SGU. I did my homework on both schools, AUC has slightly lower tuition but that is irrelevant since St. Maarten is highly gentrified, and the cost of living is exhorbitant. MEAS estimated my living costs at nearly 4,000US per month!!! Grenada is not cheap either but the cost of living is nowhere near as bad as St. Maarten. St. Maarten might be more "Americanized" with casinos, tourist beaches, strip clubs, etc. but we are not on the island for these things, were are there as students(Personally I rather go to Europe during my summer breaks that I get at SGU).

If given the choice between AUC and SGU, SGU is better. Between Ross and AUC, AUC.
 

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Where do you get your information?

SGU has two full 400+ semester plus the class in England. That is much more than 600.



SGU isn't so condescending to rank students by "terms", they are ranked by years. Each year SGU has about 600 students, AUC has about 300 students per year, with more than half of that entering in August and the rest in January and May. AUC also has a fair level of attrition, nothing like Ross which is a slaughterhouse, even checked with one of the faculty members, that said about 15 percent are dismissed from AUC vs. 3 percent at SGU. I did my homework on both schools, AUC has slightly lower tuition but that is irrelevant since St. Maarten is highly gentrified, and the cost of living is exhorbitant. MEAS estimated my living costs at nearly 4,000US per month!!! Grenada is not cheap either but the cost of living is nowhere near as bad as St. Maarten. St. Maarten might be more "Americanized" with casinos, tourist beaches, strip clubs, etc. but we are not on the island for these things, were are there as students(Personally I rather go to Europe during my summer breaks that I get at SGU).

If given the choice between AUC and SGU, SGU is better. Between Ross and AUC, AUC.
 

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Looks like we have a ****** on this forum. Show me the facts that prove that SGU is better than Ross and AUC...where is your evidence? You should be pissed that you couldnt get into a US med school.


SGU isn't so condescending to rank students by "terms", they are ranked by years. Each year SGU has about 600 students, AUC has about 300 students per year, with more than half of that entering in August and the rest in January and May. AUC also has a fair level of attrition, nothing like Ross which is a slaughterhouse, even checked with one of the faculty members, that said about 15 percent are dismissed from AUC vs. 3 percent at SGU. I did my homework on both schools, AUC has slightly lower tuition but that is irrelevant since St. Maarten is highly gentrified, and the cost of living is exhorbitant. MEAS estimated my living costs at nearly 4,000US per month!!! Grenada is not cheap either but the cost of living is nowhere near as bad as St. Maarten. St. Maarten might be more "Americanized" with casinos, tourist beaches, strip clubs, etc. but we are not on the island for these things, were are there as students(Personally I rather go to Europe during my summer breaks that I get at SGU).

If given the choice between AUC and SGU, SGU is better. Between Ross and AUC, AUC.
 

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SGU isn't so condescending to rank students by "terms", they are ranked by years. Each year SGU has about 600 students, AUC has about 300 students per year, with more than half of that entering in August and the rest in January and May. AUC also has a fair level of attrition, nothing like Ross which is a slaughterhouse, even checked with one of the faculty members, that said about 15 percent are dismissed from AUC vs. 3 percent at SGU. I did my homework on both schools, AUC has slightly lower tuition but that is irrelevant since St. Maarten is highly gentrified, and the cost of living is exhorbitant. MEAS estimated my living costs at nearly 4,000US per month!!! Grenada is not cheap either but the cost of living is nowhere near as bad as St. Maarten. St. Maarten might be more "Americanized" with casinos, tourist beaches, strip clubs, etc. but we are not on the island for these things, were are there as students(Personally I rather go to Europe during my summer breaks that I get at SGU).

If given the choice between AUC and SGU, SGU is better. Between Ross and AUC, AUC.

i'm currently looking into apartments on st. maarten...one bedrooms are about 900 a month, with super nice ones 1000-1200 a month...most of them have utilities and such included. i was just wondering where the rest of the 3000 for the 'estimated' cost of living goes..maybe you have a really high standard of living, but 3000 a month for food and random expenses seems like a stretch. thats also assuming you live alone..a roomate would cut the cost of rent to 500-600. its by no means cheap, but it does not offset the fact that SGU is much more expensive.

right now i've interviewed at both st. george and AUC, done tons of research, and it seems like SGU does offer a SLIGHT edge in the overall ''legitimacy" category (e.g. many more options for clinical rotation sites, just signed the deal with the new york hospitals, bigger campus, etc.). even my general impression from the admissions process leads me to believe that SGU is more efficient and probably a better-run school. i don't believe, however, that these facts put SGU far enough ahead of AUC to warrant the extra tuition, especially when i just want to come back and rotate at bakersfield (offered by both AUC and SGU).

Finally, after talking to some friends who are residents out of the caribbean, they advise me that the school doesnt matter, only your scores on the boards (mainly USMLE step one). If you score low on your boards coming out of SGU, SGU's "reputation" wont do anything for you. once you are a resident, your med school becomes as relevant as your undergrad: it may be a conversation piece, but thats about it. So it pretty much comes down to the fact that, regardless of your school, you must perform well on step 1.

thats just my two cents, please correct me if i'm being misleading in any way.

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for those who believe that style of life does not matter, thats just your opinion. i hate the notion that 'you are down there to study and hole up in the library' mentality. for many of us, it matters. that is the primary reason i prefer AUC..i've done the whole education-in-a-podunk-place bit before, and i went insane. i need a sports bar on friday night to drink a beer and stare at sportscenter on a plasma. i need to unwind with a dirty martini at a nice restaurant after exams. i need to throw caution into the wind and put a bill on red or a hand of blackjack every once in a while. burning out is the one thing you don't want happening in a career that DOES NOT STOP once you start.
 

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One bedroom apartments near AUC start at $1200 a month not including utilities, the biggest landlord in the area, charges over $1300 a month for one bedroom apartments not including utilities, and the electric bill will be big, a minimum of 200 dollars a month. Add in food, transport, supplies, health insurance, your living costs will add up. I can get a decent one bedroom apartment near SGU for about 500 a month US. There is more to do on St. Maarten being that it is a tourist island while Grenada is not but for the most part they are both third world countries. SGU grads have a much more consistent pass rate on the USMLE than those from AUC. Ask Dr. B of Basic Sciences at AUC, I did, and he showed me the pass rates, the most recent classes were in the 80 percent range, and a few classes had as low as 60 percent and one had 70 percent.
SGU's 8 year average has been 90 percent.
 

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One bedroom apartments near AUC start at $1200 a month not including utilities, the biggest landlord in the area, charges over $1300 a month for one bedroom apartments not including utilities, and the electric bill will be big, a minimum of 200 dollars a month. Add in food, transport, supplies, health insurance, your living costs will add up. I can get a decent one bedroom apartment near SGU for about 500 a month US. There is more to do on St. Maarten being that it is a tourist island while Grenada is not but for the most part they are both third world countries. SGU grads have a much more consistent pass rate on the USMLE than those from AUC. Ask Dr. B of Basic Sciences at AUC, I did, and he showed me the pass rates, the most recent classes were in the 80 percent range, and a few classes had as low as 60 percent and one had 70 percent.
SGU's 8 year average has been 90 percent.

if you judge a school based on usmle pass rates, then you are just lacking.
 

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your logic is implying that if one goes to AUC and fails the USMLE, going to SGU will somehow magically make one pass the USMLE.
 

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Do you even attend SGU? If not, then wtf are you hangin off SGU's balls. Its already a pain to go to the Caribbean to become an MD, you keep bashing schools because you became delusional when all the US medicals schools rejected you.


One bedroom apartments near AUC start at $1200 a month not including utilities, the biggest landlord in the area, charges over $1300 a month for one bedroom apartments not including utilities, and the electric bill will be big, a minimum of 200 dollars a month. Add in food, transport, supplies, health insurance, your living costs will add up. I can get a decent one bedroom apartment near SGU for about 500 a month US. There is more to do on St. Maarten being that it is a tourist island while Grenada is not but for the most part they are both third world countries. SGU grads have a much more consistent pass rate on the USMLE than those from AUC. Ask Dr. B of Basic Sciences at AUC, I did, and he showed me the pass rates, the most recent classes were in the 80 percent range, and a few classes had as low as 60 percent and one had 70 percent.
SGU's 8 year average has been 90 percent.
 

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If you seriously believe SGU will prepare you any better for the USMLE than AUC, than SGU's propaganda about offerring an education more rare than a certain bloodtype really worked. :laugh:
 
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Check out this thread: http://www.valuemd.com/st-georges-university-school-medicine/144492-class-size.html

What kind of ***** would be pushing for a school that admits 390-400 people per class?

How can you even learn with that many people in your class?

:laugh: It's of my opinion you can't... which is why I wouldn't want to invest hundreds of grand on that environment. Sure, I've done 1,000+ people courses in undergrad (public state uni), but thankfully undergrad is a joke where you can learn exclusively from a book the night before the test :thumbup:

And it costs $7,000 per year, not $70,000.

Hopefully the person claiming SGU wants to get to 700 people per class eventually is joking. SGU's reputation would no doubt suffer if they made classes that big.
 

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All foreign medical schools are risky, there was a poster here who claimed have gotten admission to several DO schools and is going to a second tier Caribbean program.
 

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The last that I heard from a current student is in the 430 range. They supposedly have another building plus those who watch the lectures at their own pace.


McGillgrad or whatever the hell you call yourself. You are not even on the island in fact you're not even a Ross student. There hasn't been a class size over 400 ppl. My class is the biggest class and still is one of the bigger class and we aren't even close to 400. It's okay not to know everything so just calm down and take a breather. Stop giving advices to students when you yourself aren't even one. Let the people who has/had the experience do the talking. You just keep your mouth shut.
 

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Stop talking out of [EDIT]Why do you even bother to post when all you do is lie.

I am seriously starting to believe that you are mentally handicapped because you keep posting rubbish without any proof.



How do you know that he/she is talking out of their [EDIT]? Are you an SGU student? First you pretended to be a Ross student giving advices left and right and now you giving advices to SGU student. You're pathetic. You can't even get accepted into a caribbean school but yet you're talking noise to uphold your ego. LOL!!!!!!. Get a life McGill.
 

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Why would MGG have to be a student at Ross to make an informed statement about certain aspects of the school? I've never climbed the Himalayas, but from the resources available to me, I can make a safe conclusion that there is a summit to the mountain. Just because he doesn't go to Ross doesn't mean he doesn't have an extensive knowledge of Ross.

Someone who wants to be a doctor should realize all of our knowledge is built upon the shoulders of our predecessors. MGG probably researched Ross, knows people at Ross, etc. etc., and from these sources can put forth an informed statement about Ross.
 

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Thanks for trying to explain it to him, but this guy does not think straight. It seems that he has some sort of homoerotic infatuation with me...lol



Why would MGG have to be a student at Ross to make an informed statement about certain aspects of the school? I've never climbed the Himalayas, but from the resources available to me, I can make a safe conclusion that there is a summit to the mountain. Just because he doesn't go to Ross doesn't mean he doesn't have an extensive knowledge of Ross.

Someone who wants to be a doctor should realize all of our knowledge is built upon the shoulders of our predecessors. MGG probably researched Ross, knows people at Ross, etc. etc., and from these sources can put forth an informed statement about Ross.
 

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Check around, its a known fact that Ross is a weed out program, they take many subpar students(I visited Ross and AUC and frankly I would not want some of their students to treat my dog), and fail them out. You can get the stats from the schools. AUC kicks out about 15 percent of the students that they admit, they decel 35 percent of the rest. Ross even puts on their website that their attrition ranges between 20 to 30 percent. You can email the dean at SGU, and he will give you the answers. SGU seems to be the most professional and well organized school of the Caribbean programs, they are also the only school that is known to reject the vast majority of applicants, they admit about 20 percent of the people that apply, their average MCAT scores range 26-27 range. If I was forced into the prospect of going to the Caribbean I would look at SGU over all the Caribbean schools.
Also look at the residency placement lists of all three schools. SGU fares the best, some of their grads have made it to very respectable programs like Duke and even Stanford.

When it comes to repatriating students to life in a foreign country SGU requires students to live on campus for the first semester, whereas in the other two programs, you are on your own. For most people, life in a third world country is going to be a big adjustment in addition to the pressure of medical school. There are a lot of support programs for students at SGU as well, hence their much lower rates of attrition.

Where do you get these numbers? I just checked the FAQ on SGU's website 2 min ago and their average undergrad GPA is 3.2, and 3.1 for sciences.

Average MCAT is an 8 on each section
 

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Just got admitted to SGU!!
:cool:

However, my decision is final. USESOM is my final choice.

Besides, 60 students is better than 600...lol!
 

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Just got admitted to SGU!!
:cool:

However, my decision is final. USESOM is my final choice.

Besides, 60 students is better than 600...lol!

Congrats and good luck. Enjoy your time off and get ready to work hard!:thumbup:
 

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Thanks MGG, yea im excited and nervous at the same time. Do you recommend matriculating first years to start reading into the material? Any recommendations and advice? Thanks bro. Keep up the good work, too! :thumbup::)
 

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Well, the most sobering fact that you should consider before pre-studying for med school is that the material in a semester's worth of an undergrad gross anatomy course is covered in approximately two weeks of a med school gross anatomy course. In other words, if you manage to read 10-20 chapters in the next couple of months, you will 'freak the funk out' when that same material is covered in one lecture in med school. It will mess with your head because much of the book information is low-yield (but important because it builds the base for the high yield information that you will need to know for step 1).

Thousands of people have gone through med school successfully without much of a scientific background (besides the pre-reqs) and you will, too. Free time will become more and more scarce as you head towards residency and you will kick yourself for not taking advantage of the last true free time you will enjoy for 7+ years.



Thanks MGG, yea im excited and nervous at the same time. Do you recommend matriculating first years to start reading into the material? Any recommendations and advice? Thanks bro. Keep up the good work, too! :thumbup::)
 
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