Shadiness of writing two LOI's

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I'm not disagreeing with you, Law2Doc, but the OP is not suggesting that s/he would send two LOIs to entertain multiple offers of acceptance. If that's the case, then the OP would be going back on his/her word, and that is truly a loss of personal integrity. However, the OP is stating that s/he would follow through on withdrawing from the other schools upon receiving an acceptance from one of the schools. I'm not saying that this isn't shady or risky, but there's no lying here. By sending in an LOI to a school stating s/he would attend if accepted, the OP is not forfeiting his/her right to withdraw her application PRIOR to the school granting that acceptance.

Nobody has addressed what happens if the OP is accepted to both schools before withdrawing from one.

Obviously, there is theoretically something to gain from telling 2 different schools "you are my first choice and I will attend your school if I am accepted." If there wasn't something to gain, you would just tell them the truth: "you are one of my top choices and I will attend your school if you are the first one to accept me."
 
If multiple schools to which you write the letter choose to accept you based on your word, you have committed a lie. Such a letter technically has all the elements of a contract and you will have breached the contract when you reject their offer even though you indicated you would drop all others and go. Of course no school will ever legally enforce such a contract (because they have no damages -- they can just go to the next person on the waitlist, so it's simply not worth their time) but enforcement isn't really the issue. People don't measure their acts based on repercussions, they measure them based on doing right versus wrong. You want to go through the process with your integrity intact.

In law people use "letters of intent" all the time and frequently they are binding precursors to transactions. So that is not a term made up by SDN. Which is why many people on here are suggesting that if you want to play by the rules, you should write more fluffy, less definitive "letters of interest", which don't go as far as tell a school that if they accept you you will withdraw all other offers and/or attend, but basically again emphasize how much you love the school and hope to be accepted, but don't take that next binding step. There's a world of difference between saying I love your school versus I will absolutely attend. You only want to say the latter statement to one place, if you mean it. Do adcoms really care which you send? Probably not -- they want to only accept people who show interest. But you certainly can lose your integrity, maybe develop a bad reputation with certain people by lying. As a character said in the movie Scarface, in this world all you really have is your word and your balls, and you don't break them for anything.

Disagree. An LOI (interest or intent) for med school waitlists is NOT a contract. Surprising opinion from a lawyer...

Here is a suggestion for an AMCAS "contract" - I suggest AMCAS get involved and send out a uniform form letter to all waitlisters with a series of check boxes of decreasing levels of interest, ranging from the absolute "I will drop everything and proffer my first born" to a series increasingly conditional acceptances (first offer wins, finaid conditions) with optional "drop dead" dates, etc...in effect, the waitlister "ranks" his preferences...now this still will not be a real "contract" but it will at least be a uniform system and eliminate all of this silly concern over the wording of these letters...AMCAS should be the "keeper" of these results, and could even institute a requirement that you can have only one "highest level" of intent at a given time (but you should be able to move another one up if you get dropped by your dream school)...

The reason there is no such "contract" or formal system is that none of this stuff matters to med schools - they just want to fill the class as quickly as possible and if you turn down the spot, they will be on the phone to the next person on the list in less than a minute...the concern among applicants over the precise wording of these letters is much ado about nothing...if I were on multiple waitlists with no other acceptances at this late date, I would aggressively pursue schools with strongly worded letters...schools understand that post May 15 is a "first come, first served" environment with extreme fluidity and rapidly shifting emotions and interests...

The way I look at it, if a school had really wanted an applicant, they could have offered a spot in the class back in October or at any time since then...post May 15 is a mad scramble for schools and waitlisters...I say "look out for No. 1" and not worry about other waitlisters and how they word their letters...
 
Nobody has addressed what happens if the OP is accepted to both schools before withdrawing from one.

Obviously, there is theoretically something to gain from telling 2 different schools "you are my first choice and I will attend your school if I am accepted." If there wasn't something to gain, you would just tell them the truth: "you are one of my top choices and I will attend your school if you are the first one to accept me."

Well, as people on this thread have speculated, most likely, nothing will happen if she's accepted to both schools simultaneously and has to withdraw from one, but as I said earlier, s/he would then be forced into a position of going back on his/her word to one of those schools. It is definitely a moral risk, albeit one without any physical consequences, but the OP needs to decide for him/herself whether s/he wants to take that risk. And in the interests of full honesty (and as I mentioned before), the OP really shouldn't tell both schools that they're both his/her top choices, because that would be lying. S/he could simply say, "I'd be thrilled to be part of your class of 2011, and I would attend your school if accepted."

The latter statement you propose would definitely alleviate any sense of moral guilt, should the OP find him/herself in the position of having been accepted to both schools without having had the chance to withdraw from one. But I agree with you in that the latter statement is less potent than the first and can even come off as a bit obnoxious, placing undue pressure on each of the schools to "act fast, the OP's deal won't be around forever." However, if the scenario of both schools granting their acceptance simultaneously doesn't come to pass, then sending two LOIs with "I'd be thrilled to be part of your class of 2011, and I would attend your school if accepted," and then following through with withdrawing from the other waitlist upon receiving an acceptance doesn't constitute lying. S/he is still well within his/her rights to withdraw from the other school's waitlist PRIOR to the school granting that acceptance.

I'm certainly not saying that this is a good or honorable idea to do this, but ultimately only the OP can decide whether s/he wants to take the moral risk of sending two LOIs and receiving 2 acceptances simultaneously. It is a somewhat unlikely risk, but a risk nonetheless. We can't make the OP's decision for him/her.

I personally couldn't do it, even when I was agonizing over two schools. I thought very long and hard about it, and ultimately, I sent the LOI to only one school and a letter of interest to the other. However, there's always a risk of not being able to follow through, even in sending only one LOI (e.g., what if the school gives terrible financial aid, what if the applicant has a last-minute change of heart, what if a major family situation occurs). I fully intend to honor my LOI, but I'm also expecting a reasonable need-based financial aid package that takes into account my and my family's demonstrated need. Luckily the school is known for generous need-based aid, so I felt I could make that LOI commitment safely. That's why it's important to consider LOIs carefully. The schools themselves probably don't really care if you back out of one, but there's something to be said for helping to make the entire med school application process a more honest one, rather than a process in which everything is just part of "playing the game" of med school admissions.
 
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