Shadowing Boredom

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Does anyone else get bored while shadowing? Maybe it's just me, or that I'm not doing enough or interested enough, but I tend to get kinda antsy and bored while I'm shadowing. Standing there watching a vet suture up an animal just makes me want to pull my hair out because it is so tedious and mind-numbing. If I were doing it myself I think I would be absorbed and interested, but what to do when all there is to do is stand and watch? I'm not the chatty type, so striking up an interesting conversation isn't usually a pleasant alternative. Nor is it feasible when watching the vet give vaccines or taking a heart rate, etc. Does anyone else have this experience, or any advice?
 
I recommend asking lots of questions. I used to try to come up with as many as I could. If you're watching the vet suture, ask what pattern they are using, and why they're using that one ... what complications they expect, a lot of vets once you get them talking will keep sharing. And even if you think you know the answer, ask anyways ... different vets will have different veiw points.

If they're taking a heart rate, ask if you can listen (might want to ask outside of the room such as "I was wondering if the next time there's an appropriate patient for it, could I listen as well?"

I find that some vets wait to see if you'll take some initiative as far as sharing and letting you do what htey can let you do ... who knows, asking about suture patterns may wind up with you getting to learn suture patterns on a block.

Sometimes even admitting that you don't know what questions to ask, but you know you should have some 🙄 will get the vet sharing....
 
I got bored to death when I first started shadowing as well. I agree with jumphigher, asking questions is a big must. I often feel like I'm nagging them, but if it's getting in the way of their work, they will say so. Ask questions about what they are in the process of doing, or if it's a routine surgery or procedure you've seen a million times, ask about other cool things they have done or just random questions about vet med.
Also, getting close with the techs can help. Are you allowed to handle animals? If so, get them to teach you restraint, drawing up vaccines, blood draws, how to run all the machines, etc. You'll need to know all that too! I'm lucky in that at my clinic the techs do a ton of the work so I spent a lot of time shadowing and nagging the techs until they would let me do bits and pieces, and gradually worked my way up into becoming an assistant.
As you know more and ask more, the doctors seem more willing to explain and let you do more. Recently, one of the doctors taught me how to suture up a cat after a necropsy and it was amazing.
Getting your foot in the door and getting past the part where it is all watching, no doing, except maybe cleaning cages and walking dogs, can be quite painful, I clearly remember those times and hated them. But it's worth it once you work your way up, it just takes some time and patience and knowing that it will get better and you will be able to do all these things soon! 🙂
 
Asking questions is the best way to stay engaged, but if you find yourself having trouble coming up with ones on the spot try making a list at home after your day. Then, when you come in the next day you can say "I was thinking more about that cat with disease X you treated yesterday, can you tell me more about medication Y you prescribed?" It'll show interest and thought, and most likely impress the vet that you were actually absorbing what was going on.

As the volunteer coordinator for my hospital, if a volunteer doesn't ask questions or seem interested in what is going on, the vets don't want that person around. They would rather answer seemingly obvious questions that have someone just stand there and look bored. We have on more than one occasion ask people not to come back because we felt it was wasting everyone's time.
 
I know exactly how you feel. When I first started shadowing, all I did was stand there, didn't get to even touch an animal really. Especially with small animal, there is much less you can do as a shadower(?) because of liability stuff and they are people's pets, etc. Lucky for me, I only had to endure about 40 hours of small animal. I went to a clinic everyday for a week and called it quits. Saw some surgeries, did appointments with the doctor, and that's about it.

When I found my first large animal place to shadow, again, the doctor would not let me do ANYTHING (Turns out he wasn't a very nice person either, always talking about how much he hated his job and should have never chosen veterinary medicine in addition to personally attacking me for my views and opinions.) So that was that, I did one full week with him two summers in a row and never went back. When I found another clinic to shadow at, IT MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE! The doctor was super friendly, always talked to me about what she was doing while she was doing it and I asked a lot of question (even if I thought I knew the answer or thought the questions was dumb, like the previous posters said). I actually looked forward to riding along with her every time. I ended up being her unofficial assistant basically. I did hundreds of injections, placed IVs, scrubbed in on surgeries, and a ton of other stuff, which turned into an amazing LOR.

Sorry about my rant there, but my point is that a change of clinic might be in order. Or maybe you just need to engage the doctor more in order to show them that you are interested enough so that they might let you do some stuff. All in all, I shadowed at about 8 different clinics. Some were good, some were bad, and some were AWESOME and I learned a lot. Know that it is the quality, not the quantity of shadowing that you get is what is important. If you get 1000s of crappy hours where all you did was stand around, that will not be as helpful for you in writing your PS or in interviews as a couple hundred hours of really engaging experiences.

(Also, don't be discouraged by the Successful Applicant stats where people have thousands and tens of thousands of hours of vet and animal experience...I had 400 and I'm going to vet school this fall 😀. Quality, NOT quantity.)👍
 
As the volunteer coordinator for my hospital, if a volunteer doesn't ask questions or seem interested in what is going on, the vets don't want that person around. They would rather answer seemingly obvious questions that have someone just stand there and look bored. We have on more than one occasion ask people not to come back because we felt it was wasting everyone's time.

Exactly. Even if you're "not the chatty type" you've got to step a little outside of your comfort zone here. Remember, you will likely be counting on the people you meet in these experiences to write you glowing LOR's which could make all the difference in getting into a vet school. If you don't appear tp be motivated and actively engaged in learning about vet med, they won't want you to be a vet.

Try doing some "research" on your own while at the hospital, think things through yourself, and then come up with some intelligent questions. Like look at the patient's charts, see what the diagnosis is, what treatments they are doing... think about why, what else might cause these symptoms, what the prognosis might be, what the clients should be told and how you might handle things if YOU were the vet. (Obviously, a lot of that will be beyond you at this point, but you want to start getting used to stretching your brain like that). Any hospital will have some shelves of reference books, start looking through some of those. Look up words from the charts that you don't know, look up the diseases you see on the charts.

Even if you don't like being chatty, at least if you are seen showing some interest and checking things out, it will look better than just standing around looking bored. And doing some poking around on your own will give you things to ask about, ways to start an intelligent conversation with one of the vets. BUT, you also have to be careful about this. They are probably often very busy, and you don't want to go too far and be the annoying person always asking a bunch of questions at the wrong time. Wait until there is some down time, and approach somebody like "hey, can you tell me more about XYZ dz and what we should be watching for?" I would bet most of them, once they feel you are really interested, would be more than glad to explain things to you.
 
I get bored when I shadow, but not during surgeries. Like everyone else said, I usually ask the vets lots of questions, sometimes about the surgery, and sometimes about other animals that came in for appointments. Other times, I'll talk even talk about my own animals, or school, or other things because I know him pretty well. Sometimes when the vet is suturing I'll go help get the next animal ready though.

I'm bored out of my mind though during most yearly appointments, unless the owner has two dogs or something and I can pet one. I also sometimes get bored when there's breaks in between appointments where the vets on the phone and there's nothing to be done.
 
YES to all of the above. My first couple shadowing experiences were pretty lame, sometimes because I wasn't really allowed to do anything and was talked down to a lot (this was when I was in high school) and sometimes because I wasn't very interested in the particular specialty (canine theriogenology).

When I found my current clinic, everything changed. I'm rarely, if ever bored there. When I'm working small animal, I just started stepping in wherever I could. I made friends with the techs so they started asking me to restrain for blood draws and injections, I help them with surgery prep and recovery, and they will fill me in on anything interesting going on. Also, the vet has a great sense of humor and a lot of opinions, so he is fun to joke with and interesting to converse with during surgeries. I rarely get bored during routine appointments, probably because it's a very Herriot-esque rural practice so every person and animal who comes in is a character. But I'm constantly fascinated with this vet's savvy with clients and animals and I never tire of watching and learning from him. He makes a point of introducing me to his clients and telling them I'll be going to vet school, which makes me feel important and more a part of the appointment. Also, if we're between appointments, we usually go sit in the break room where he's got stacks and stacks of back issues of JAVMA (current ones too!) as well as all his old vet school texts and references. So I'll scan over the latest research, or look up a disease that we saw that day.

If I'm with the clinic's large animal vet, there's never a dull moment. He's boisterous and hilarious and has tons of impossibly crazy stories from his vet school days. He usually keeps me busy restraining farm critters, drawing up vaccines, cleaning and preparing equipment for surgeries, and will let me do injections on anesthitized animals (like penicillin and tetanus injections for animals who just had surgery). The long rides in the truck are usually really conversational, but sometimes even though it might feel uncomfortable, YOU have to be the one to break the ice and get the ball rolling.

So finding the right clinic is definitely a big part. But also try to break the ice yourself. Everyone else has given really good advice on asking questions. If you see an in for something humorous, crack a joke (a safe one that has no possibility of offending anyone, until you know their sense of humor!). Make sure that no matter what, you ACT interested. Be curious about everything and don't just assume. For example, at my clinic the vet uses PDS suture for some things and cat gut for other things. I started a long conversation over a cat spay once just by asking why he used the two different kinds and what the difference was.

There's SO much opportunity to learn when you're shadowing, and if you're already in and shadowing at a clinic, that's half the battle! Think of how many people are even having trouble just finding a place to shadow. So make the most of it. Start interjecting questions at appropriate moments and see if it sparks conversation. The more you talk to the vet, the more comfortable you'll be. Most of the time, they LOVE answering your questions. You'll know if you're getting on their nerves so you can guage when to back off a bit, but if they get irritated with even just a couple of questions, it might be time to find a new clinic. Nothing beats knowing a veterinarian with whom you have a great raport.
 
I don't get bored shadowing, the vet I usually shadow is always willing to answer any questions I have. I find it easy to chat with the vets and techs and we get along really great. If you do get bored watching surgeries or vaccination appointments my advice would also be to ask as many questions as possible. 🙂
 
I definitely second becoming friends with the vet techs. I'm like, bffs with mine (we even went out drinking once haha!) and they get kinda lazy and have me do stuff. Also they give me a heads up of what happened during the week while I'm at school so I know what to ask when I come in Fridays 😛

I also think that if you find a newer vet at a practice, they are the ones who tend to share more. They love having little mentees and will show you how to find a pulse and look through ears and stuff like that!
 
I agree with everyone who says to ask questions. I am naturally a quieter person, but I make a huge effort to talk to the vets & vet techs. They're generally fantastic at explaining stuff, and I use good judgment to not bother them when it's busy.

Also, watch them as though you're going to be tested on it. Imagine that they're going to hand you the needle and ask you to suture the next wound. Do you know how to hold the needle and exactly where to pass it through? That helps me pay attention. I like to ask the vet what he's feeling for when he is doing surgery & how he decides where to pass the needle, etc.
 
What a great thread! I've started to feel the same thing, but I ask lots of questions, talk to the techs, and when things are slow I grab a textbook and read. I usually feel awkward and in the way but I make myself do it anyway. I think part of that is because the vet is the sole vet at her own new practice, so I know she works so hard anyways without answering my dumb questions.

Question for those people who had techs show them how to restrain, draw blood, etc., how long did it take before you actually felt confident doing that? I have restrained a few dogs and cats at the small animal practice where I shadow but I am still new to it and feel so awkward and afraid of doing something wrong. Totally different to holding my own pets, and I am so worried the vet will think I am hopeless if I can't even properly restrain a pomeranian.
 
There is no such thing as a dumb question, but remember asking questions or making comments doesn't have to be limited to what you're watching or what the vet is doing......ask about something you saw the previous day, or something you read about. Frankly, it doesn't even have to be limited to veterinary medicine specifically, though it probably should stay on an academic or scientific theme. On the other hand, don't forget all the other non-medical things that go into being a good vet, like client communication.....watching them sew up a wound? Ask them about how to explain to the owners about after care, for example.
 
Actually, when I was shadowing they wouldn't let me do anything because if I got hurt the clinic would be liable - they gotta cover their butts. So, I got a job. It was tough to break in without any experience but I eventually did it. Once I got a job they expected me to do all that cool stuff so I learned really fast and had guaranteed hours every week, even during school. Jobs are the way to go. 👍
 
There's pretty much always something to be learning, if you're actively looking for it.

Equally, it helps to remember that people love to be able to answer specific-knowledge questions. If you feel like you're bugging the doc, find a tech and pick their brain about whatever they're doing.

If you've never worked in a practice before there is absolutely no reason to be 'bored.' Even if you're experienced, you don't know everything.

What I did, when I started the process, was try to learn from the bottom up. First I attached myself to a receptionist, and learned the computer systems and client communication. Then I started following an assistant around, learning restraint and the simple lab procedures. Then I made friends with the techs, and learned as much of their skill set as I could.

That way, when you get those valuable periods of face time with the doc, you have insight into their practice and you have a bank of questions to draw from.

Full disclosure: I'll totally admit that I want to chew my leg off after standing by the wall for the 6th or 7th check up appointment of the day. It's rough, especially after a full day of classes, when there's nothing new to engage you and you're trapped in there. I review coursework in my head, when there's nowhere to go and nothing to learn.
 
I agree that jobs (private practice more so) are you best way of gaining experience! If you can't get a job as a tech or assistant then of course volunteering is next best bet. I'm not knocking volunteering at vet schools but I have noticed that you get to do significantly less hands on experience with patients because as a volunteer you are kind of the "low man on the totem pole", but sometimes you do get lucky once in a while. This has just been my experience..
 
I don't necessarily agree that you can always learn something or should constantly ask questions.

I shadowed for almost 3 years and there were plenty of days that seemed like a waste of time. If you are constantly asking questions then eventually you will just be seen as a nuisance. I can remember when I was asking a question and I got the reply, "why don't you go look it up instead" (I did). Point was well taken.

Sometimes you just have to go with the flow. Some days will be better than others. I tried to ask questions that would be interesting for the vet or technician to explain or let them talk about what they liked to talk about. Managing people relationships is just as important to learn and it is important not to wear out your welcome!

Also, I got to do LESS as time went by as the private practice was bought out and became more bureaucratized. So getting a job is one way to participate more. But really, learning to draw blood etc is not really what vet med is about.

I'm not sure I have a point, but you are certainly not alone, and I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Final point, some days, when it got really slow i just went home. Building meaningless hours just didn't really seem to be the point. Luckily that was not too often an occurrence.
 
Question for those people who had techs show them how to restrain, draw blood, etc., how long did it take before you actually felt confident doing that? I have restrained a few dogs and cats at the small animal practice where I shadow but I am still new to it and feel so awkward and afraid of doing something wrong. Totally different to holding my own pets, and I am so worried the vet will think I am hopeless if I can't even properly restrain a pomeranian.

Well, I've been a tech for about a year now, but when I started I had very little experience. It's crazy to think that there was one time in my life where taking a TPR wasn't second nature, or I had to really concentrate on restraining an animal. But when you start, and you have no experience, even the most "basic" of things like that can stress you out because you haven't had much experience doing it! I'm honestly trying to remember how long it took me to feel comfortable restraining patients....maybe a week for most dogs? Aggressive cats took me a little longer to get used to, perhaps a few weeks. Blood draws took me a couple of months to get really comfortable with. Sometimes it's just really hard to feel the jugular vein on certain animals (obese animals, for example). I think the best learning is done by doing the things and getting a feel for them, but observing the other techs and doctors in the hospital really helps. Don't be afraid to admit that you aren't sure how to do something...people aren't going to laugh at you or judge you for your honesty. I found that most people were happy to teach me things. I don't think the vet would judge you either, especially if you earnestly explained that you want to learn the proper way to restrain, for both human and animal safety.
 
Question for those people who had techs show them how to restrain, draw blood, etc., how long did it take before you actually felt confident doing that? I have restrained a few dogs and cats at the small animal practice where I shadow but I am still new to it and feel so awkward and afraid of doing something wrong. Totally different to holding my own pets, and I am so worried the vet will think I am hopeless if I can't even properly restrain a pomeranian.

The more you do it, the more confident you'll feel. And if you ever have something that you're not comfortable holding on to, let them know. No one will mind 🙂

I learned a lot and gained confidence x1000000 by participating in Remote Area Medical spay and neuter clinics in TN. Best 2 weekends ever!
 
Totally different to holding my own pets, and I am so worried the vet will think I am hopeless if I can't even properly restrain a pomeranian.

Don't worry - restraining a pomeranian, chihuahua, or boston terrier is not a skill that can be learned. Stupid wiggly little mutants....🙄

(I have a chihuahua - this comment is in jest...)
 
I don't necessarily agree that you can always learn something or should constantly ask questions.

I'm with you on incessant questioning: I'm sure that can get old to anybody. But I do think you can always find something to learn if you go looking.

The only suggestion I'll add that I haven't seen in this thread (though admittedly I skimmed) is that most vets I've hung with have a pretty decent library from which you can learn.

Examples: When I start to get bored on a completely routine dental I'll go pull the dental radiology book and start comparing pics to the rads from the dog on the table. Or I'll start perusing rads from other clients and comparing them to the book to get a better feel for 'textbook' vs. 'real life'. Or maybe the vet just prescribed a medication and I only know the very basics about it; I'll grab the book and study up on it for a little while.

When things get truly boring, you can always just do what everyone else in the workforce does: take some time to get to know people personally. Nothing wrong with making friends when you're shadowing, so long as it's not disrupting work that has to get done. The vet I spend most of my time with and I talk music, theater, exercise, religion, cultural issues.... you don't have to spend 100% of your time talking shop. 🙂
 
Don't worry - restraining a pomeranian, chihuahua, or boston terrier is not a skill that can be learned. Stupid wiggly little mutants....🙄

(I have a chihuahua - this comment is in jest...)

Little dogs are the WORST to restrain. Okay, so an unwilling 140lb great dane is obviously tough, but big dogs seem to sit still better for whatever reason. It's the little spoiled ones that squirm and snarl and claw at you with those pointy fingernails...
 
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