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I had the luxury of doing full time endo at my last DMO for 9 years as well as being mentored by an experienced endodontist. I like to pay if forward for all the tips & tricks I've learned through my experience of doing over 9000 cases, peer reviewed journals, as well as other endodontists. I love to receive feedbacks. For any of you who want to come after me with pitchforks, my name is John Smith, my license is #123456 at the state of NY. Feel free to PM any specific questions or concerns.

1. I hate unpleasant surprises and unknowns. I always ask patients their pain levels 1 to 10. I tell pts that there is a potential for your pain level to increase up to 4 of 10 after completion. If they are in intense pain, I usually don't obturate and put in Ca(OH)2 and finish in ~6 weeks. I know you are losing money and chair time. I like the results better. Down side: very rare patients may not return or they may lose insurance 6 weeks later. If so, I lost about 20 to 40 minutes chair time. Alternative: You can complete the RCT in 1 visit (I had a pt come back with even more pain after the anesth wore off and begged me to remove the obturation) or bill it as pulpal debridement or palliative tx and reschedule for full RCT appt.

2. Make sure you are working on a restorable tooth. It is hard to locate all fractures so make sure you get solid probings, tooth sleuth, etc and proper DX. I had to do a few cases on pts on IV Bisphosphonates and cannot extract. Do the best you can or punt it...see #4.

3. Anesthesia: Call me naive but I've never given intra bony injections and PDLs don't work for me. Usually other dentists get me to anesth their difficult cases. Worst case, I get them numb enough to give intra pulpal. Multiple times I've given oral sedatives (if the pt has an escort) or N2O and helped somewhat. If I have a difficult time with anesth, I just get them out of pain and reschedule for the full RCT.

4. Case selection: If you can't see the pulp chamber or if the canal becomes bifurcated or C-shaped lower 2nd molars, etc., just punt it. Other cases to punt: extreme resorption (no apical stop) and extremely curved canals, There are ~95% MB2, MB3, or more in Max 1st molars and ~50-60% in Max 2nd. If I see PARL on MB root, I will place Ca(OH)2 and punt if there is no improvement.

5. Access: I like to access the pulp chamber without Rubber Dam. That way, I can view different angles. Once I opened the pulp chamber, I quickly place the RD and flush with full strength NaOCl. I open the orifice(s) with rotary using slight and gently pressure to avoid any ledging and instrument damage. I had a colleague separate a rotary that way. Never use pressure that would break a fragile pencil lead. Once the orifice is opened, use the pulp shaping bur (Dentsply Endo Z bur or cheaper equivalent) and smooth all the ledges and refine the access so you won't have to hunt for canals. My idea of a good access is if your DA can place paper points on all canals in the 2nd molar. Access, access, access!

6. Magnification: I'm blessed with a operating microscope in most of my locations. I would document "Using 8x magnification, verified no internal caries, resorption, fractures detected, all canals located and all pulpal tissue removed."

7. I'm not qualified to give a hands on workshop. If you like more info on getting WL, patency, rotary inst, fillings, etc., PM me. I use full strength NaOCl and EDTA under activation to remove biofilm & smear layer, as well as most micro debris, etc.

8. Final Obturation: Whatever obturation system you use, make sure the fill is separated below bone. This would minimize discoloring the tooth and maximizing coronal seal. I use old school System B and Calamus/Obtura back fill to get more predictable results.

9. I've notice almost all endodontists in my region document prognosis of the completed case such as "Good Prognosis" or "Guarded Prognosis due to" structurally compromise, pre-exisiting periodontal attachment loss, etc.

If you like a copy of my endo write up template, you can PM me.

10. For a molar without any of the problems stated #4, it usually takes me 30 to 40 min chair time. I'm not as fast as some who can do it in 10 min but I'm happy and the patients doesn't feel rushed and they are happy as well.

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I recommend using full strength NaOCl. According to peer-review sources, there is this species of bacteria that is resistant to half strength bleach. Be extra cautious not to express the NaOCl out the apex. That happened to me about 5 times and 3 times the pts had to go to Hospital ER.
 
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How do you make sure that the NaOCl doesn't go out the apex? Do you radiographically inspect and use a K-file to inspect that the apex hasn't been instrumented wide open or is already wide open due to pathology?
 
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How do you make sure that the NaOCl doesn't go out the apex? Do you radiographically inspect and use a K-file to inspect that the apex hasn't been instrumented wide open or is already wide open due to pathology?

Fortunately expressing NaOCl out the apex doesn't happen often (3 cases needing Hosp care). It's when you get the needle down deep and force the plunger hard. I'm using the EndoActivator at the lowest setting to circulate the irrigants. I don't really inspect radiographs too detailed because it is 2 dimensional and does not provide full information. I try to leave 0.5 mm apical stop. I do a master cone verification (many endodontists take a radiograph). Prior to obturation I like that master cone to have good tug back (resistance) so when you use System B, the cone won't lift up. If you don't get good tug back, cut off ~1.0 mm at the tip and try again. The cone should fit snug and not loose at the desired length.
 
I haven't used that although some of my other locations where they do implants use them. I'm going to try to get CE on using that.
 
I had the luxury of doing full time endo at my last DMO for 9 years as well as being mentored by an experienced endodontist. I like to pay if forward for all the tips & tricks I've learned through my experience of doing over 9000 cases, peer reviewed journals, as well as other endodontists. I love to receive feedbacks. For any of you who want to come after me with pitchforks, my name is John Smith, my license is #123456 at the state of NY. Feel free to PM any specific questions or concerns.

1. I hate unpleasant surprises and unknowns. I always ask patients their pain levels 1 to 10. I tell pts that there is a potential for your pain level to increase up to 4 of 10 after completion. If they are in intense pain, I usually don't obturate and put in Ca(OH)2 and finish in ~6 weeks. I know you are losing money and chair time. I like the results better. Down side: very rare patients may not return or they may lose insurance 6 weeks later. If so, I lost about 20 to 40 minutes chair time. Alternative: You can complete the RCT in 1 visit (I had a pt come back with even more pain after the anesth wore off and begged me to remove the obturation) or bill it as pulpal debridement or palliative tx and reschedule for full RCT appt.

2. Make sure you are working on a restorable tooth. It is hard to locate all fractures so make sure you get solid probings, tooth sleuth, etc and proper DX. I had to do a few cases on pts on IV Bisphosphonates and cannot extract. Do the best you can or punt it...see #4.

3. Anesthesia: Call me naive but I've never given intra bony injections and PDLs don't work for me. Usually other dentists get me to anesth their difficult cases. Worst case, I get them numb enough to give intra pulpal. Multiple times I've given oral sedatives (if the pt has an escort) or N2O and helped somewhat. If I have a difficult time with anesth, I just get them out of pain and reschedule for the full RCT.

4. Case selection: If you can't see the pulp chamber or if the canal becomes bifurcated or C-shaped lower 2nd molars, etc., just punt it. Other cases to punt: extreme resorption (no apical stop) and extremely curved canals, There are ~95% MB2, MB3, or more in Max 1st molars and ~50-60% in Max 2nd. If I see PARL on MB root, I will place Ca(OH)2 and punt if there is no improvement.

5. Access: I like to access the pulp chamber without Rubber Dam. That way, I can view different angles. Once I opened the pulp chamber, I quickly place the RD and flush with full strength NaOCl. I open the orifice(s) with rotary using slight and gently pressure to avoid any ledging and instrument damage. I had a colleague separate a rotary that way. Never use pressure that would break a fragile pencil lead. Once the orifice is opened, use the pulp shaping bur (Dentsply Endo Z bur or cheaper equivalent) and smooth all the ledges and refine the access so you won't have to hunt for canals. My idea of a good access is if your DA can place paper points on all canals in the 2nd molar. Access, access, access!

6. Magnification: I'm blessed with a operating microscope in most of my locations. I would document "Using 8x magnification, verified no internal caries, resorption, fractures detected, all canals located and all pulpal tissue removed."

7. I'm not qualified to give a hands on workshop. If you like more info on getting WL, patency, rotary inst, fillings, etc., PM me. I use full strength NaOCl and EDTA under activation to remove biofilm & smear layer, as well as most micro debris, etc.

8. Final Obturation: Whatever obturation system you use, make sure the fill is separated below bone. This would minimize discoloring the tooth and maximizing coronal seal. I use old school System B and Calamus/Obtura back fill to get more predictable results.

9. I've notice almost all endodontists in my region document prognosis of the completed case such as "Good Prognosis" or "Guarded Prognosis due to" structurally compromise, pre-exisiting periodontal attachment loss, etc.

If you like a copy of my endo write up template, you can PM me.

10. For a molar without any of the problems stated #4, it usually takes me 30 to 40 min chair time. I'm not as fast as some who can do it in 10 min but I'm happy and the patients doesn't feel rushed and they are happy as well.

Sorry, but I gotta do this...

Did you say it's OVER 9000!?! :)

In all seriousness though, have you tried 10-12% NaOCl? I've been using it lately and it's even better than the 6-8%. I'll chime in that irrigation activation is very important to ensure faster tissue dissolution and reaching all the branches/fins/canals/complex anatomy by moving your irrigant in the entire system
 
Sorry, but I gotta do this...

Did you say it's OVER 9000!?! :)

In all seriousness though, have you tried 10-12% NaOCl? I've been using it lately and it's even better than the 6-8%. I'll chime in that irrigation activation is very important to ensure faster tissue dissolution and reaching all the branches/fins/canals/complex anatomy by moving your irrigant in the entire system

One of my BF colleagues thinks I did more. I got laid off my GP position at my first DMO at 2003 and did full time endo for 9 yrs. I probaby did around 950 to 975 cases a year and just to be simpler, I round it up to 1000/ yr. I did referral endos for all the metro DMOs. I also did some GP to keep my skills fresh. I didn't want to go to endo residency like my mentor suggested.

I haven't tried 10-12% yet but I will inquire. Thanks for the tip!
 
One of my BF colleagues thinks I did more. I got laid off my GP position at my first DMO at 2003 and did full time endo for 9 yrs. I probaby did around 950 to 975 cases a year and just to be simpler, I round it up to 1000/ yr. I did referral endos for all the metro DMOs. I also did some GP to keep my skills fresh. I didn't want to go to endo residency like my mentor suggested.

I haven't tried 10-12% yet but I will inquire. Thanks for the tip!

Out of curiosity how come you decided not to do a residency?
 
Early on, a few would tell me endodontists were starving at the last recession (in the early 90s). I estimate that I could do about 80-85% endos and don't enjoy retreats. I didn't want to treat the nightmare cases. But the most important reason was the extra years in residency. My local residency is 3 yrs instead of 2.
 
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Thanks for the tips!
1) how are you so efficient with your root canals? 40 minutes is really fast. What tips can you give to noobies on what helped you cut the most time on these?
2) I've noticed that specifically on molars, my apex locator tends to lie to me. I'll insert it into the canal and it goes insane beeping. This tremendously affects my work time because I struggle getting an accurate working length. Any tips for these situations?

thanks
 
Thanks for the tips!
1) how are you so efficient with your root canals? 40 minutes is really fast. What tips can you give to noobies on what helped you cut the most time on these?
2) I've noticed that specifically on molars, my apex locator tends to lie to me. I'll insert it into the canal and it goes insane beeping. This tremendously affects my work time because I struggle getting an accurate working length. Any tips for these situations?

thanks

1. Access, access, access "Can't paint a room through a key hole." Again, my definition of a good access is if your DA can place paper points on all canals in the 2nd molars. That would make getting WLs, instr, and final obturation so much easier, predictable, and faster.

2. Try a larger hand file like #15 and paper point dry. If you use J Morita Root ZX II, it comes with 5 gray cords. Those gray cords go bad quickly and try to have plenty in stock. To test it, get the gray cord grabber against the fish hook or something metallic and if it doesn't read all red, then toss it.

Again, here is a good link to illustrate working on a good access, etc.


You can PM me on how I approach RCT #3, 30, etc.
 
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Sorry, but I gotta do this...

Did you say it's OVER 9000!?! :)

In all seriousness though, have you tried 10-12% NaOCl? I've been using it lately and it's even better than the 6-8%. I'll chime in that irrigation activation is very important to ensure faster tissue dissolution and reaching all the branches/fins/canals/complex anatomy by moving your irrigant in the entire system
A lot of research has been done to find the perfect balance between anti-microbial action and toxicity. And there is still a lot of debate. The higher you get above 2.5% the more you effect dentin hardness and modulus of elasticity leading to more dentin micro fractures in apical areas or thinner areas of the root. These dentin microfractures lead to long term failures in normal and surgical cases. 5% NaOCl has been shown to kill all bacteria in 30 sec and some agree that it’s the most effective balance. 9,10, and 12% have been looked at and the conclusion is the toxicity and negative effect on the dentin is not worth any extra ability to disinfect. And you said it at the end, it’s about activating the irrigant in the apical 3rd. You can use the strongest NaOCl made, but if it’s not getting to the tissue in apical 1/3 complex anatomy it won’t matter.

What we’re actually doing now is looking for new and improved activation methods in order to decrease the NaOCl % used. There’s already ultrasonic, laser, acoustic streaming, etc but we have recently started looking into nano bubble water technology. Activation of this water with laser or accoustic steaming could create such intense cavitation of the irrigant that super low %’s of NaOCl could be used. This would be beneficial to the tooth and the patient.
 
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A lot of research has been done to find the perfect balance between anti-microbial action and toxicity. And there is still a lot of debate. The higher you get above 2.5% the more you effect dentin hardness and modulus of elasticity leading to more dentin micro fractures in apical areas or thinner areas of the root. These dentin microfractures lead to long term failures in normal and surgical cases. 5% NaOCl has been shown to kill all bacteria in 30 sec and some agree that it’s the most effective balance. 9,10, and 12% have been looked at and the conclusion is the toxicity and negative effect on the dentin is not worth any extra ability to disinfect. And you said it at the end, it’s about activating the irrigant in the apical 3rd. You can use the strongest NaOCl made, but if it’s not getting to the tissue in apical 1/3 complex anatomy it won’t matter.

What we’re actually doing now is looking for new and improved activation methods in order to decrease the NaOCl % used. There’s already ultrasonic, laser, acoustic streaming, etc but we have recently started looking into nano bubble water technology. Activation of this water with laser or accoustic steaming could create such intense cavitation of the irrigant that super low %’s of NaOCl could be used. This would be beneficial to the tooth and the patient.

My question would then be, is the rate of reaction of NaOCl time or concentration dependent, does it follow first, second, or x order kinetics? Activation is definitely important, and if I could get NaOCl in the entire root canal system at a sufficiently high concentration for x period of time, while removing all vital/non-vital tissue, I think I would have met a good chunk of the objectives of endodontic treatment. That's the main difference I'm seeing between 6, 8, and 12% NaOCl. It is just way faster in terms of tissue dissolution, the laser allows me to get the irrigant to uninstrumented areas, and reduces the treatment time overall. My technique is to irrigate simultaneously during any instrumentation and activation of irrigants (I never understood the whole idea of instrument, then irrigate, then instrument, then irrigate, and so on...). With constant irrigation, all sludge gets taken out constantly and NaOCl concentrations remains the same since I'm flooding the chamber continuously with unreacted irrigant.

I've been using an Er:Yag laser for about 4 years already, I got a lightwalker unit that can do SWEEPS. I'm not big on the acronyms, but I can say that SWEEPS > PIPS.
 
One of my BF colleagues thinks I did more. I got laid off my GP position at my first DMO at 2003 and did full time endo for 9 yrs. I probaby did around 950 to 975 cases a year and just to be simpler, I round it up to 1000/ yr. I did referral endos for all the metro DMOs. I also did some GP to keep my skills fresh. I didn't want to go to endo residency like my mentor suggested.

I haven't tried 10-12% yet but I will inquire. Thanks for the tip!
Are you placing posts or restoring your cases as well?
 
Are you placing posts or restoring your cases as well?

I'm restoring my cases now that I'm no longer doing full time endo. I don't place many posts. I'm very selective on what I restore (see my thread on my experience with a malpractice lawsuit).
 
I had the luxury of doing full time endo at my last DMO for 9 years as well as being mentored by an experienced endodontist. I like to pay if forward for all the tips & tricks I've learned through my experience of doing over 9000 cases, peer reviewed journals, as well as other endodontists. I love to receive feedbacks. For any of you who want to come after me with pitchforks, my name is John Smith, my license is #123456 at the state of NY. Feel free to PM any specific questions or concerns.

1. I hate unpleasant surprises and unknowns. I always ask patients their pain levels 1 to 10. I tell pts that there is a potential for your pain level to increase up to 4 of 10 after completion. If they are in intense pain, I usually don't obturate and put in Ca(OH)2 and finish in ~6 weeks. I know you are losing money and chair time. I like the results better. Down side: very rare patients may not return or they may lose insurance 6 weeks later. If so, I lost about 20 to 40 minutes chair time. Alternative: You can complete the RCT in 1 visit (I had a pt come back with even more pain after the anesth wore off and begged me to remove the obturation) or bill it as pulpal debridement or palliative tx and reschedule for full RCT appt.

2. Make sure you are working on a restorable tooth. It is hard to locate all fractures so make sure you get solid probings, tooth sleuth, etc and proper DX. I had to do a few cases on pts on IV Bisphosphonates and cannot extract. Do the best you can or punt it...see #4.

3. Anesthesia: Call me naive but I've never given intra bony injections and PDLs don't work for me. Usually other dentists get me to anesth their difficult cases. Worst case, I get them numb enough to give intra pulpal. Multiple times I've given oral sedatives (if the pt has an escort) or N2O and helped somewhat. If I have a difficult time with anesth, I just get them out of pain and reschedule for the full RCT.

4. Case selection: If you can't see the pulp chamber or if the canal becomes bifurcated or C-shaped lower 2nd molars, etc., just punt it. Other cases to punt: extreme resorption (no apical stop) and extremely curved canals, There are ~95% MB2, MB3, or more in Max 1st molars and ~50-60% in Max 2nd. If I see PARL on MB root, I will place Ca(OH)2 and punt if there is no improvement.

5. Access: I like to access the pulp chamber without Rubber Dam. That way, I can view different angles. Once I opened the pulp chamber, I quickly place the RD and flush with full strength NaOCl. I open the orifice(s) with rotary using slight and gently pressure to avoid any ledging and instrument damage. I had a colleague separate a rotary that way. Never use pressure that would break a fragile pencil lead. Once the orifice is opened, use the pulp shaping bur (Dentsply Endo Z bur or cheaper equivalent) and smooth all the ledges and refine the access so you won't have to hunt for canals. My idea of a good access is if your DA can place paper points on all canals in the 2nd molar. Access, access, access!

6. Magnification: I'm blessed with a operating microscope in most of my locations. I would document "Using 8x magnification, verified no internal caries, resorption, fractures detected, all canals located and all pulpal tissue removed."

7. I'm not qualified to give a hands on workshop. If you like more info on getting WL, patency, rotary inst, fillings, etc., PM me. I use full strength NaOCl and EDTA under activation to remove biofilm & smear layer, as well as most micro debris, etc.

8. Final Obturation: Whatever obturation system you use, make sure the fill is separated below bone. This would minimize discoloring the tooth and maximizing coronal seal. I use old school System B and Calamus/Obtura back fill to get more predictable results.

9. I've notice almost all endodontists in my region document prognosis of the completed case such as "Good Prognosis" or "Guarded Prognosis due to" structurally compromise, pre-exisiting periodontal attachment loss, etc.

If you like a copy of my endo write up template, you can PM me.

10. For a molar without any of the problems stated #4, it usually takes me 30 to 40 min chair time. I'm not as fast as some who can do it in 10 min but I'm happy and the patients doesn't feel rushed and they are happy as well.
What does “punt” mean?
 
If an endodontist sees my referals, expect nightmares bossman. When the other more ambitious general dentist sees my referrals, he usually recommends extraction. That is why I don't want to pursue endodontic specialty.
 
If an endodontist sees my referals, expect nightmares bossman. When the other more ambitious general dentist sees my referrals, he usually recommends extraction. That is why I don't want to pursue endodontic specialty.
Do you have an Endodontist or 2 that you refer to or communicate with? And y’all kind of have an understanding? I know we are here to help, but if I know that a dentist chooses to do all his own RCT’s and only refers to me the complete messes or things that are basically non restorable I may stop accepting the referrals. We would have to have to have good communication a good relationship. Like a phone call before briefing me on why you can’t do it and what you are hoping I could do that you couldn’t. But our definition of nightmare may also be different.
 
Do you have an Endodontist or 2 that you refer to or communicate with? And y’all kind of have an understanding? I know we are here to help, but if I know that a dentist chooses to do all his own RCT’s and only refers to me the complete messes or things that are basically non restorable I may stop accepting the referrals. We would have to have to have good communication a good relationship. Like a phone call before briefing me on why you can’t do it and what you are hoping I could do that you couldn’t. But our definition of nightmare may also be different.

Thanks for bring up these good points. The endo cases I consider nightmares are the ones that will take me over 1 hr to do such as hypercalcified cases. At this point in my career, I don't try to attempt them. I try to minimize iatrogenic events by only doing the straight forward cases. I was on the other end of the referrals when I was doing them full time at my last DMO. Referring GPs would mark the wrong tooth, start a RCT on the wrong tooth, fixing iatrogenic instr separation and or perforation, etc. If there are special cases, I would communicate with a phone call and maybe set up consult only appointments. I would communicate to the patient the details and treatment options similar to how the endodontist will present it so there will be very little surprises. I hoped the endodontists respect my experience with RCTs and know that I refer to them appropriately.
 
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drc, with so many cases, I would guess you probably encountered some failures when you revisited recalls? could you share with us or dm me what you suspect the reason to the failures? TIA.
 
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drc, with so many cases, I would guess you probably encountered some failures when you revisited recalls? could you share with us or dm me what you suspect the reason to the failures? TIA.

I was doing full time referral based endo (as a GP) for a large capitation DMO. I didn't have the luxury to do recalls unless they had pain and or swelling. I had my share of perforations, separated instr, and missed canals. A large pt base will sign with my company for 1 yr and sign somewhere else so followups were infrequent.

This was back in 2003 to 2012. I learned a lot of new information and different materials and instr since then. To minimize perforations, select only the patent, not too curvy or calc cases. To minimize file separation, use only pencil lead pressure (pressure that will not break a sharp pencil lead) and straight line access. Dr. John West gives good guidance on this. For missed canals, try to identify bifurcations of lower PM & anteriors, MB2, 5th canal in lower molars usually M canal between MB & ML, C-shaped canals in lower 2nd molars, and 3 rooted #5, 12. I'm more selective in the cases I do now.
 
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If you want to be good at endo, practice on extracted teeth. You can section the roots when you get stuck or after obturation and visualize things. You can try crazy and new techniques. Retreats. You will learn alot.

There is some CE courses that are good for a refresher, but they have a tendency to oversimplify things and give false confidence. They can be useful though if you've been out of the endo game for awhile.

Most CE courses and hands on workshops are given by endodontists pushing their products like Stephen Buchanan. They mostly teach you how to do things faster without much science. It's really good for inexperienced practitioners. Since I don't learn anything from them, I prefer courses given by endo residency directors like Fred Barnett and Ken Hargreaves. Fortunately my endodontic mentor was an Army residency director and I learned so much from him. I highly recommend John West and Cliff Ruddle hands on workshops.
 
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